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Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.13 01:03:00 - [1] Originally by: DonTheYounger OHH NOOSSSS!!! A pirate got ganked!!! Karma maybe?? Wow, so because we gank the crap of you guys in game you're going to condone the theft of account information? This isn't corp thievery, it's not ganking, it was a metagame tactic, an illegal one, used to take four years of work and ruin the game for an entire corp. If a corp thief got to us, or our entire cap ship fleet got ganked in game that's one thing but it really sucks when an IRL criminal compromises you're personal information and ruins the game for you. You're pretty childish to condone this activity, gloat about it otherwise make stupid comments as if we deserved it. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.13 06:32:00 - [2] Our most pathetic in game enemies speak. We have the cyno-bombers and the logonskis to enlighten us with their insightful opinions on the matter. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.13 10:17:00 - [3] Originally by: LordChaos "lets camp a gate 24/7 with 20 people and if 5 people engage us we run and dock" As opposed to "I would have won if you didn't have a Falcon"? Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.13 14:41:00 - [4] Edited by: Alowishus on 13/05/2008 14:42:09 I resent the remark that we all share accounts. Nobody has ever, nor will they ever, be given access to my account. If you're going to accuse an entire corp of a ban-able offense, proof or STFU. It's nice to see all the bitter people come out of the woodwork to condone or justify account hacking. Could you people be any more petty? I'd never wish any out-of-game consequences on my worst in-game enemy. Grow up. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.13 15:13:00 - [5] Originally by: Thann Starlinbow Just to be pedantic, getting your account hacked isn't exactly an 'out of game' consequence, because it is affecting your character.. in the game.. Maybe consequence is the wrong word. Getting your account hacked is an out of game experience that results in an in game consequence. It's having your computer invaded to hurt/steal from you in a game and it's not really an acceptable tactic/method, like so many things we're allowed to do in game. It doesn't really matter though. Somebody could've broken into his house, harmed him and his family and stole his computer and people would still say we deserved it, all because they remember when Cran blew up their Omen once. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.13 16:05:00 - [6] Originally by: Thann Starlinbow It's not hard to put two and two together. I'd bet my bottom isk he did one of two things. Shared account with the wrong person or was buying isk from a farmer and got keylogged. Either way, his loss, his fault, no sympathy. I highly doubt either of those two situations and I find Mitnal's comments somewhat upsetting since his "helpful advice" inferred something about the situation that isn't the case. If RMT was involved Mitnal wouldn't have said that in this thread, even as general advice, since CCP operates with more discretion in those matters. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.14 14:17:00 - [7] Once again, I've never noticed any account sharing going on in Muffins. I certainly would never share mine with anyone. Aside from EULA violations, I'm just paranoid. I've seen too many relationships dissolve in Eve over nothing to hold anyone in high enough regard to give them access to my billions. I think it should be a violation of the EULA to accuse someone of violating the EULA without any hard evidence of such. To have all these people speaking of their "knowledge" of our apparent EULA violations without any proof provided is ***** bull**. IRL, it'd be libel/slander. Once again, proof or STFU. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.14 15:49:00 - [8] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon Given that I was in your terrible alliance So your motives are obvious. You probably got kicked for being emo. Originally by: Nexus Kinnon and have not one, but two RL friends who've been or are directors in the muffin factory, yes, I know a few things. Name names or STFU. Originally by: Nexus Kinnon If I recall correctly, the Muffin Factory has a couple of freighter alts they share between all the members. So now we're at the mercy of what you can recall correctly? As far as I know Cran has a freighter alt that he would never let anyone else touch, maybe a few others have freighter alts. If they were sharing them why wouldn't I know who they are? Originally by: Nexus Kinnon Oh yeah, and maybe you should try paying attention to corp chat if you've never noticed any account sharing in the muffin factory... We use corp chat? I can't remember the last time I typed anything to another Muffin. We use voice comms. Aside from that, the only thing I can think of is the fact that a few of the "muffinman" characters have been owned by different IRL people. Lots of members have started "muffinman" chars only to trade them when they leave (afterall, what's the point of being named muffinman if you aren't in muffins?). All of this has been done within the constraints of the EULA. It seems you have vendetta against us so I'm sure you'll say absolutely anything. You are not credible so eat it. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.14 15:57:00 - [9] Originally by: Tsia Edited by: Tsia on 14/05/2008 15:54:26 Originally by: Alowishus Name names or STFU. Originally by: Nexus Kinnon \/\/\/\/\/ yo Tsia, how's the being an ex-muffin director working for you? l2read Ah, so butthurt ex director talks crap to IRL friends. Man this is so crazy and unexpected! Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.14 16:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Tsia Now now, let's lay off the name-calling, shall we? Why would I be butthurt about not being a director in a corp that I willingly left in search of actual engagements? I dunno, why the smack talking/rumor spreading then? It seems a lot of people here simply have a vendetta which I guess I don't understand. I know Cran's personality clashes with others upon occasion but I've yet to meet an effective CEO that didn't have eccentricities that some folks just were incompatible with. For whatever reason, even people who left on good/indifferent terms come back to haunt us. shrugs As far as actual engagements, we haven't done much gate camping lately (prior to the theft) and have had numerous engagements where we went in outnumbered and slaughtered everyone. Things are a bit different for us, we have much more roaming in 0.0. I guess I have to ask, if you didn't want gate camping, why'd you join Muffins in the first place? We camp gates, no secret there. If you simply grew tired of it, I can understand, so did we. I go between wanting to camp almost exclusively for a month or two to being totally sick of it. One thing is for sure: it's not exciting work, it's chaining tards, but it'll tend to line your pockets given enough patience. It is what it is. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.14 16:19:00 - [11] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon hey guys let's camp this gate for a few hours with some logged off falcon alts in case someone actually wants to fight us I love the criticism of our use of Falcons. It's a common theme in Eve. Lose a battle and you suck, win and it's because you didn't tie a hand behind your back. I'm unapologetic about employing tactics that help us win. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.14 16:23:00 - [12] Originally by: Tsia It's good to see you've been going for engagements instead of praying to catch fearsome frigates and such, with the occasionally lucky BS kill, though. BS kills are nice for the KB but sometimes fearsom frigates drop freighter BPOs (true story). Like I said, gate camping isn't about anything other than making ISK, and even this requires patience. Do you think anyone finds it pleasant to kill shuttles and frigates all day long? Probably not (at least I hope) but once you win the lottery all those old tickets seem worth it, right? Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.14 16:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I only object to have multiple logged off falcons 200km off the gate you are camping and logging them on when there's a risk of an actual engagement. They are cloaked, not logged off. And by "multiple" I hope you mean 1-2. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.14 16:30:00 - [14] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon \/\/\/\/\/ edit; this is a case in point of what Tsia is saying: 9 battleships vs 3 ravens What's wrong with that? We jumped into a gate camp completely outnumbered, killed everyone that didn't flee/log off, and suffered almost no losses. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.14 16:35:00 - [15] Originally by: Tsia Just the orders to dock and such from one, maybe two reds in local got annoying. I know the red could potentially have a cyno and ruin the fleet, but that's the fun of EvE, taking risks like that. Well, for me it is anyway. We had a couple of corps that would chronically hot drop carriers on 3-5 man gate camps as a rule. Taking risks doesn't mean you have to be suicidal. Most of the people who were red to us in Kourmonen were set negative because they blobbed/cyno'd us all the time or did nothing but play docking games. They were red in part because it was pointless to engage them. Now things are a bit different, there's a lot more players in the area we're living and these people are worth fighting. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.14 16:44:00 - [16] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon You triped their BS numbers We don't control who runs away Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.14 17:05:00 - [17] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon Why would they have run if the fight was even? Because they are Hydra and we are Muffins? Also, back when I was in a 0.0 alliance, if you didn't have proper intel and a gate went flashy flashy more than five times everyone scattered automatically. It's like*****roaches when you turn a light on. Big alliances are so undisciplined that way. In Muffins we'd get podded and anally probed for dispersing without orders. Back in my alliance days you did what you wanted to save your own ass without consequence. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.14 17:13:00 - [18] Originally by: Kehmor As for falcons, I seem to remember it was you guys who lost a golem to us and cried because we jammed it. Did we complain or did that specific person? I don't recall complaining about anyone being jammed. I do recall once when you dropped carriers on us, I don't think it was the first time as I was new to the corp and you already had the reputation. Also the only reason you didn't do it more times is because we didn't let you. Don't kid yourself, you guys love dropping carriers on everything. I don't hold it against you, it's a valid tactic. Just don't whine if we don't humor you by engaging your larger force. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.14 18:29:00 - [19] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon They also don't use all eight highslots, because they spider tank with shield reps on their hypes. Wrong. We use all eight high slots, though it's seven guns and one shield transporter. The reason for the shield tanked Hyperion is simple. We spider tank, a lot. And many of us have Crystal sets. Admittedly the shield tanked Hype is the weakest tank, we prefer the Maelstrom, or Raven, but if someone has to fly Gallente we put them in the Hype until they can train something else. If a Hyperion gets primaried it doesn't really matter that it has a weak tank because we're all spider tanking it. Contrarily, if it had an armor tank then the shield spider tanking wouldn't be nearly as effective without the resists. But way to present everything at face value to defame us. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.14 19:10:00 - [20] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon Still, I love how the tone has changed from agressive (your first post to me) to somewhat reconciliatory... I haven't noticed any aggression or reconciliations. My posts are what they are. I try to be as reasonable as possible, albeit somewhat condescending and sometimes confrontational. I prefer people who are also reasonable rather than ones who either scream their head off about us, or say how unimportant we are but yet have enough of a hard on to follow us around on the forums. Example? See how many times Kehmor has posted about us, either in Muffin threads, threads where Muffins have also posted or even just random threads. This guy must have a full sized Muffin Factory poster on his ceiling that he looks at while he hates himself and punishes his nipples/rectum. That's the only thing I can figure based on his relentless lust for us on the forums. Me? I wish I had time to follow everyone around that I thought was lame. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.14 19:17:00 - [21] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon A little birdie told me that the muffin factory refuses to permit capital ship vs capital ship engagements on the grounds that they might lose a cap. Thus, they only use them for POS shootouts and ganking. Actually, since we pretty much don't do POS takedowns and you won't find many non-cap kills using our caps, about the only thing we do use them for is against other caps. But in our line of work this doesn't happen often. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.14 19:23:00 - [22] Look for cap ship kills on our kb. shrugs Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.14 22:28:00 - [23] Edited by: Alowishus on 14/05/2008 22:28:14 Originally by: Boran Tisk Why do they hate muffinfactory so? I've been playing a good long while. I've seen many hated corps and I've been in a few. The most common reason people hate a PvP corp is because they are frustrated by them. Then the accusations, excuses and falsehoods start. We dock. We use Falcons too much. We only gank shuttles... It all basically means we don't fight on their terms. You can only be respected by someone in PvP if you suicidally engage them all the time and either win or lose. If you fight smart, people will hate you. Period. The paradox is that when you do have the upper hand you're a "blobber." I can't say I'm free of guilt here but what I say is the dead truth of the matter. Let the unwarranted flames continue! Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.14 22:35:00 - [24] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Oh just reading the answers about shield tanking hypes, it makes me lol. If I had my way we wouldn't fly them at all given how our fleets work. But you honestly must not understand. If everyone has a shield transporter you are giving up HP if they are armor tanked. You don't have to like it, and neither do I, but when pure Gal pilots join up it's the only way they aren't useless to our fleet. If you don't understand how spider tanking works you're a noob. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.14 22:40:00 - [25] Originally by: Rufus Ionone but SYN have never fought you...they WERE you. Wrong. Reading comprehension FTW. One of their members was in a corp that was in the same alliance as us, briefly. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.14 22:52:00 - [26] Originally by: Rufus Ionone Originally by: Alowishus Originally by: Rufus Ionone but SYN have never fought you...they WERE you. Wrong. Reading comprehension FTW. One of their members was in a corp that was in the same alliance as us, briefly. Synthetic frontiers alliance history: Sex Panthers from 2008.01.12 to 2008.01.21 Sex Panthers != Muffins Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.14 23:03:00 - [27] Originally by: Lady Karma Originally by: Alowishus I've been playing a good long while. I've seen many hated corps and I've been in a few. The most common reason people hate a PvP corp is because they are frustrated by them. Then the accusations, excuses and falsehoods start. We dock. We use Falcons too much. We only gank shuttles... It all basically means we don't fight on their terms. You can only be respected by someone in PvP if you suicidally engage them all the time and either win or lose. If you fight smart, people will hate you. Period. The paradox is that when you do have the upper hand you're a "blobber." I can't say I'm free of guilt here but what I say is the dead truth of the matter. Let the unwarranted flames continue! Your stats are pretty poor for a pirate tbh, maybe you are good in your little circles, but dont be trying to associate what you do, with what pvp is about. The risk..the rush, the fun. I doubt you even raise above 60bpm, when you gank a hauler with 8 BS. Maybe one day you will understand what pvp is, but I sense from your narrow minded perspective, that will be a long time coming. Alowishus rank 5900....thats pitiful. Speak less, and kill more. You should be getting over 100 kills per week. First off, I never did play that much per week. My IRL can be hectic and that's none of your business. Secondly, I don't post on BC, all those kills are losses that others posted. Third, many of my kills are not even on there, especially from 2005-2006 where I was getting hundreds of solo ganks a month in a ceptor that I never bothered to post anywhere because I never was a killboard *****. Lastly, I never claimed I was good, we as a corp are. I am mostly lucky (except when people choose primaries alphabetically), I don't have many losses, especially in my later years, I've lost 2-3 Maelstroms in 2008 so far. Regardless I have been doing PvP since '04. I have a fair bit of experience. I was mostly a solo ceptor pilot and feel somewhat out of place in BS/Fleets. Don't presume to know anything about me, alt troll. If you want a better example of what we're capable of look at other members who play more. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.14 23:28:00 - [28] Originally by: Lady Karma You realise that they are auto parsed from any grief watch eve-killboard site? That would mean that none of your victims posted their losses, and noone in your gang posted them...anywhere. Can you smell that, I can If you did get hundreds of solo ceptor kills, then why don't you upload them. I am guessing that you are lying. I've always planned to but I haven't gotten around to it. My time for Eve is limited, I like to play the game, not copy/paste. But some of them are up there (look back in late 2005/early 2006) and what you'll realize is that a lot of them were noobs (and I suspect that "real pirates" you mention getting "100 kills a day" are also killing many noobs), I doubt many of them they posted on any killboard, and the ones that are up there, I am actually surprised about. So I'm rank 5900. I dunno what that even really means, I guess I suck. But I do know that I've killed a lot and not suffered many losses in return and had a lot of fun. I'm guessing that anyone who has flown with me, and I've flown with many, many people, would say I'm competent and do what is required. Regardless of the number of kills I can physically squeeze into the amount of time I actually play. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.15 16:32:00 - [29] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon edit to provide more detail; I was given this by someone who wishes to remain anonymous, s/he contacted me out of game via our corp's forums and sent me a .txt containing these and passwords for them. Apparently cranberry muffinman provided these to him/her. I have formatted them to make them more readable. I don't even know where to begin. Posting login names is a pretty serious offense. Secondly, how do we know you didn't get that from someone who is involved in the hacking attempt? I highly doubt Cran would give out the account info of his main, that seems unrealistic to me. I think either you've been had or you're somehow involved in all this. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.15 16:46:00 - [30] Edited by: Alowishus on 15/05/2008 16:47:57 We already know somebody has Cran's info, that's how they stole his stuff. Hopefully CCP now has some more insight into who's responsible for all this. I wonder if they'll suspect the person who spent 12 pages flaming us and has all of Cran's login info. Dumb criminal is dumb? Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.15 16:55:00 - [31] How can anyone prove Cran gave that info to them rather than acquiring it by compromising his computer or some other illicit means? The IP of the hacker could have been ran through a proxy so your IP will prove nothing. None of it changes the fact you posted account names. Good luck with all that. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.16 21:37:00 - [32] I am 27 and I love anus jokes because butts are funny. Maturity is overrated. We are all playing a space ship game, after all. If I wanted to be mature I'd go to work. Wait. I am at work. ****. That's all I have to say about this matter at this point. Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.16 21:45:00 - [33] Originally by: Luma Rahl Tells me all I need to know, tbh. You're right dude. Being a boring, judgmental stick in the mud makes you far superior to me. Eve needs more people like you, you're so fun to be around! Join The Muffin Factory
Alowishus LEGION OF DEATHADDERS	Posted - 2008.06.19 19:40:00 - [34] Greetings! Originally by: Lucidia fern Not to mention the fact crans never given me acess to any of his accounts not even to use his freighter alt This is true. But in the end it was you. I have the real story and here it is free of charge. Lucidia hatched this plan long ago before ever joining the Muffins. He stole Cran's account information quite some time ago as well. He continually logged into Cran's accounts, unbeknown to anyone, and had others log in as well, over a long period of time. This was a cover, you see, so that it would appear as account sharing had occurred. I've recently learned that at a time there was account sharing rampant in Muffins, especially by those former members in this thread who are so accusatory about it. Mostly they shared accounts to help out with skills changes- that's all beside the point- point is that account sharing was the perfect cover for what was actually a successful attempt at compromising Cran's computers. Lucidia has admitted to being the thief, that's not open for debate. As for the rest of my theory I have two key points of evidence. 1) Lucidia provided his friends with account information for inactive accounts Cran has not used in years, before Lucidia even joined. Why would Cran share account information on accounts nobody could log into? 2) Lucidia informed Cran that he is banned. I suspect that since Cran changed all his passwords, and there'd be no other way to know, Lucidia is still able to get access to at least one of Cran's computers and he attempted to log in with the new passwords. The repercussions of all this are twofold. To the Senior GMs it appeared as a history account sharing had occurred because Lucidia and his pals had been logging in with different IPs for a long while. Thus giving them the perfect cover for their illegal invasion of privacy. Secondly, Cran was banned and thus has no way for continued petition in defense of himself other than sending e-mails to CCP. A double victory for Lucidia. It was a clever plot. You'd never suspect Lucidia, he was a giant whiney vagina most of the time. I can't believe he would be capable of this. Had it been a legit corp theft and not macro game corp theft by illegal means, I'd have to give him props for so convincingly playing an innocuous crybaby. The evidence is all laid out, replies by me will not be forthcoming. This is all I have to say, I've moved on in Eve anyway. Good day.
Alowishus LEGION OF DEATHADDERS	Posted - 2008.06.19 19:46:00 - [35] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 19/06/2008 19:42:21 Cran never shared his accounts with me I would've cleaned him out a long time ago Edit: Hey, how come I can say vagina without it being all astericked, but I can't say ****? This is sexual harassment!!! I've wondered this myself. I've always assumed that in Iceland vagina means, "yes please," "good day," or "you're looking well, madam!"

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