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Phoenixgurl	Posted - 2004.04.30 00:05:00 - [1] Just tried it, and it works. You can launch one drone more than you have the skill for, and I know it wasn't working before :) Till they patch it, it's awsome! -------------------------- When the universe collapses and dies, there will be 3 survivors: Tyr Anasazi, the cocroaches ... and Dylan Hunt trying to save the cocroaches. --Tyr (Andromeda)
Phoenixgurl	Posted - 2004.04.30 00:10:00 - [2] ok more info, seems to work in nonni -------------------------- When the universe collapses and dies, there will be 3 survivors: Tyr Anasazi, the cocroaches ... and Dylan Hunt trying to save the cocroaches. --Tyr (Andromeda)
Tokka Konnair	Posted - 2004.04.30 00:23:00 - [3] i could do that too i could lanuch 10 drones while i was still training for Drone Interfacing lvl 5 __________________________________________
CCP Hammerhead	Posted - 2004.04.30 01:33:00 - [4] It's a known issue and it's also exploiting.
ClawHammer III	Posted - 2004.04.30 01:36:00 - [5] Edited by: ClawHammer III on 30/04/2004 01:38:36 Originally by: BH Hammerhead It's a known issue and it's also exploiting. Well, that's a pretty lame definition of exploiting. It happens to me sometimes as well and I'm sure as hell not gonna count how many drones I have out to make sure I'm not "exploiting" in the middle of a fight.
Nervar	Posted - 2004.04.30 01:45:00 - [6] How the ** can this still bee posible, I directly talked to BH's and filed petitions about this LOOOOONg time ago. Anny reason people should even file bugg/exploit petitions?? As they seem to get overlooked.. -------------------------------------------------> What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.**
Aronis Contar	Posted - 2004.04.30 02:20:00 - [7] Heh. Noticed that about a month ago or so, and filed an exploit petition. Was the fastest petition response EVER, within 4 minutes I knew that it was already known and should be fixed soon(tm). Ciao, Aronis!
CCP Hammerhead	Posted - 2004.04.30 02:33:00 - [8] Originally by: ClawHammer III Edited by: ClawHammer III on 30/04/2004 01:38:36 Originally by: BH Hammerhead It's a known issue and it's also exploiting. Well, that's a pretty lame definition of exploiting. It happens to me sometimes as well and I'm sure as hell not gonna count how many drones I have out to make sure I'm not "exploiting" in the middle of a fight. It's not a lame definition. It's the precise definition. You're doing something that gains you an unfair advantage by exploiting a bug in the system. You aren't supposed to be able to control that many drones. Just because the advantage isn't that great or you've done it on accident doesn't make it not an exploit.
ClawHammer III	Posted - 2004.04.30 06:36:00 - [9] Originally by: BH Hammerhead Originally by: ClawHammer III Edited by: ClawHammer III on 30/04/2004 01:38:36 Originally by: BH Hammerhead It's a known issue and it's also exploiting. Well, that's a pretty lame definition of exploiting. It happens to me sometimes as well and I'm sure as hell not gonna count how many drones I have out to make sure I'm not "exploiting" in the middle of a fight. It's not a lame definition. It's the precise definition. You're doing something that gains you an unfair advantage by exploiting a bug in the system. You aren't supposed to be able to control that many drones. Just because the advantage isn't that great or you've done it on accident doesn't make it not an exploit. So are you saying this is an offical exploit people could be banned for? If so thats complete crap. There are a million other more significant "exploits" the GMs should be woried about. Like loging on an alt to prevent your main's ship from being destroyed.
Faster ThanJesus	Posted - 2004.04.30 10:10:00 - [10] Edited by: Faster ThanJesus on 30/04/2004 10:16:34 Originally by: BH Hammerhead Originally by: ClawHammer III Edited by: ClawHammer III on 30/04/2004 01:38:36 Originally by: BH Hammerhead It's a known issue and it's also exploiting. Well, that's a pretty lame definition of exploiting. It happens to me sometimes as well and I'm sure as hell not gonna count how many drones I have out to make sure I'm not "exploiting" in the middle of a fight. It's not a lame definition. It's the precise definition. You're doing something that gains you an unfair advantage by exploiting a bug in the system. You aren't supposed to be able to control that many drones. Just because the advantage isn't that great or you've done it on accident doesn't make it not an exploit. You have to be aware that you are intentionally doing it - if it is during a fight, and you're getting a caning, how are you going to be aware of the number of drones you have controlled, when you busy hummering shield boosters/armour repairers, switching ammo and locking targets. If players are making efforts to not launch too many drones, then they aren't making efforts at not dying. Edit: Just curious, but does that also mean that using drones in such a way that they keep firing when the target is out of their range+falloff is also an exploit? If a ship ever gets outside of this range, should we make the drones dock again?
Ithildin	Posted - 2004.04.30 11:34:00 - [11] Got a screenshot with me flying with 9 drones although I should only be able to use 7. It's not something I volontairily do, however, as it is a direct result of flawed launching procedures in game and a rather cumbersome drone bay. I carry a full load of heavy drones and use Select all -> Launch to get my drones out. Most of the time it pops out the correct number, but a few times it get bugged. I also noticed lately that I was unable to control the extra drones gained via this little glitch (it's not an exploit when I don't exploit it). This may have been a one off occurance, but I almost lost a few drones when warping out to this... -- If TC causes you discomfort that you feel is unwarranted or may be outside TC's current contract - contact me, please.
Kaspersky	Posted - 2004.04.30 12:03:00 - [12] Well if it is considered an exploit it is nobodys fault but CCP since they introduced the bug in the first place. So the moral of the story is... CCP get your butt in gear and fix the bug. I've noticed this one rear it's(not all bad) head before now as I'm sure have 99% of the eve population.
lickspittle	Posted - 2004.04.30 13:52:00 - [13] Its on my list and it will be fixed when its turn comes. I wish it were as simple as suddenly deciding that this was the highest priority and getting off my butt and doing it. But things are not that simple and shouldn't be. -- Richard CCP Programmer. Anything said above is not the official line, but my own take or opinion.
cashman	Posted - 2004.04.30 21:41:00 - [14] Another drone-bug on TQ atm is that the drones don't always auto-return after combat. ____________________________________ »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
MindBender	Posted - 2004.04.30 22:49:00 - [15] Originally by: BH Hammerhead Originally by: ClawHammer III Edited by: ClawHammer III on 30/04/2004 01:38:36 Originally by: BH Hammerhead It's a known issue and it's also exploiting. Well, that's a pretty lame definition of exploiting. It happens to me sometimes as well and I'm sure as hell not gonna count how many drones I have out to make sure I'm not "exploiting" in the middle of a fight. It's not a lame definition. It's the precise definition. You're doing something that gains you an unfair advantage by exploiting a bug in the system. You aren't supposed to be able to control that many drones. Just because the advantage isn't that great or you've done it on accident doesn't make it not an exploit. I have to dissagree with your statement. The definition of an Exploit is INTENTIONALLY using a game bug to gain unfair advantage.
Phoenixgurl	Posted - 2004.04.30 23:11:00 - [16] yah, drones tend to get away too. There is definatly a bug there. And I beleive I didn't saw them attacking some targets, even if they did target me. Why the hell these things happen? When you fix a bug, shouldn't create a old one! -------------------------- When the universe collapses and dies, there will be 3 survivors: Tyr Anasazi, the cocroaches ... and Dylan Hunt trying to save the cocroaches. --Tyr (Andromeda)
BH Cheez	Posted - 2004.05.01 01:54:00 - [17] Edited by: BH Cheez on 01/05/2004 02:00:36 Originally by: MindBender I have to dissagree with your statement. The definition of an Exploit is INTENTIONALLY using a game bug to gain unfair advantage. Sorry to jump in the middle of this, but "INTENTIONALLY using a game bug to gain an unfair advantage" would be the verb exploiting, while an exploit is a noun used to describe the game bug which is capable of being used to gain an unfair advantage, with intentions not being a factor. This bug, for instance, is an exploit. Many other bugs have no potential advantages and are not exploits.
onSeth	Posted - 2004.05.02 11:15:00 - [18] Edited by: onSeth on 02/05/2004 11:17:26 Just curious, would this be classed as a bannable offence though? I always carry 10 drones around (I can only use 8), so I have spares if one or two pop. I use the select all > launch like most people, and sometimes a 9th (and once, even 10th) drone launches. Very few people I would imagine intentionally do it, it's a side effect that happens when the most common way to launch multiple drones is used. Are we supposed to launch each one individually to avoid this or something? :\|
D3vastator	Posted - 2004.05.09 07:31:00 - [19] NOUN: An act or deed, especially a brilliant or heroic one. (http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=fp-pull-web-t&p=define+exploit) In your made up use of this noun, I may be breaking the Rules of Conduct & not even know it. If I Select all drones, then hit launch, I am not making an effort to exploit. Heck, a player might not even know that they're only supposed to be able to launch 3 when 4 are zipping around (especially n00bs). They're simply using the poorly designed interface that has been given for drone control. Would it also be an exploit if I loaded 40 rounds of ammo into my 250mm Hybrid & it fired 42 shots without me noticing? Or if I purchased a Small Shield Booster on the Market for 20,002 ISK & your software only deducted 20,001 ISK from my Wallet? Calling this portion of the software 'a bug' or 'an exploit' is like an architect designing a school, a school board approving the design, & a contractor building the school. Then, realizing that there are no restrooms or classrooms & saying, "Oops". Please, hire a QA dept....I'll even pay them the $15 a month that I thought was already going toward one.... -D3
foster	Posted - 2004.05.10 16:36:00 - [20] it is possible to get 2 more than you can use out. i can only controll 9 drones but managed to get 11 out. but how ever i must add i don't use the extra drones and have reported it as an exploit and have screen shots if any gm needs them.

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