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Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.14 22:37:00 - [61] Originally by: Lal QelThyr But what if they want to expand so that they can get more land, to raise more sheep!? In that case sheep shagging has directly caused a war! Yes you are right. Men - prepare your weapons! Tomorrow we INVADE THE WELSH! ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.05.14 22:38:00 - [62] Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 14/05/2008 22:38:02 Bah, never mind me. Forums broke Alternatively, apply Lebadevinski's Inequality to the set of Boromian fields, and expand out by Gregorinov's power series. The answer should then be obvious.
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Sten Industries	Posted - 2008.05.14 22:39:00 - [63] i'm a homophobe and i don't even have a wardrobe! (joke) _ EVE RELATED CONTENT
Micheal Dietrich Caldari Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.05.14 22:51:00 - [64] Originally by: Lal QelThyr But what if they want to expand so that they can get more land, to raise more sheep!? In that case sheep shagging has directly caused a war! That crossed my mind too.
Lal QelThyr Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.14 22:58:00 - [65] Clearly we must carefully consider the repercussions of sheep shagging and its effects on military actions. (- Dev Protective Shield. My sig is invincible! -)
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.14 23:03:00 - [66] Originally by: Lal QelThyr Clearly we must carefully consider the repercussions of sheep shagging and its effects on military actions. This is also true... the Welsh are well known for the destructive power of their Sheep Cannon II's. We must take great caution. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
Bob Stuart Federation Fleet	Posted - 2008.05.15 00:23:00 - [67] What a strange thread. Religions have painted themselves somewhat into a corner with this, and other issues. The function of religion is to promote a pattern of behaviour that ensures the survival of the society. So for expansionistic societies, religion promotes having lots of children and other behaviour that continues expansion - lots of wifeless men tends to encourage conquest. Other societies had different views, because of different things affecting survival of that society - e.g. I think I recall reading that island societies tend to favour promiscuity to make the best use of the available gene pool, which is otherwise fairly restricted. That worked for the ancient world, today it's not so workable. The religions now have to choose between the primary function of religion - survival of society, and what is written in their codes of appropriate behaviour. That's a fairly tough choice. E.g. Bible says homosexuality is bad, because at the time, it went against survival of the society. Now, it's not a threat to survival of society, but it's still written. How do you fulfil primary function without contradicting what is written? The various anti-homosexual religious groups all have some agenda. People are strange, that's for sure.
LLeugh Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.15 02:53:00 - [68] I'm impressed with some of the inteligent discussion and some o the replies. Tbh i intended my post to be a reply to http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=766096 I thought the gaming community would be above petty prejudices and discrimination. I did mention homophobic posters. My perception of the word homophobic was a little narrow and encompassed only people who were openly hostile to homosexuality rather than people who were freaked out by someone of the same sex coming on to them. I think its wrong to blame any religion for the sins of their churches or individuals following that religion. I grew up a christian and stopped calling myself a christian a long time ago. The main thing that drove me from chistianity was the tendency of my fellow chistians to demonise things which brought me joy such as rock music and role playing games. People who thought they had as much right as god to judge others. What gives anyone the right to make anyone feel like **** for doing something that brings joy in their life. I'm sure the majority of us have at some point had people mention we play a game too much and it wasn't good for us or whatever. We are here cos we share a love of this fantastic and challenging computer game. I found it very exciting that in this game i've met people from all over the world from different walks of life ect. Some people i have met we share only the fact we play this game in common and we got on really well. Conversations shared with other eve players and the teamwork have enriched my life. If you are not living life on the edge you are taking up too much room
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.15 03:22:00 - [69] Originally by: LLeugh I'm impressed with some of the inteligent discussion and some o the replies. Tbh i intended my post to be a reply to http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=766096 I thought the gaming community would be above petty prejudices and discrimination. I did mention homophobic posters. My perception of the word homophobic was a little narrow and encompassed only people who were openly hostile to homosexuality rather than people who were freaked out by someone of the same sex coming on to them. I think its wrong to blame any religion for the sins of their churches or individuals following that religion. I grew up a christian and stopped calling myself a christian a long time ago. The main thing that drove me from chistianity was the tendency of my fellow chistians to demonise things which brought me joy such as rock music and role playing games. People who thought they had as much right as god to judge others. What gives anyone the right to make anyone feel like ** for doing something that brings joy in their life. I'm sure the majority of us have at some point had people mention we play a game too much and it wasn't good for us or whatever. We are here cos we share a love of this fantastic and challenging computer game. I found it very exciting that in this game i've met people from all over the world from different walks of life ect. Some people i have met we share only the fact we play this game in common and we got on really well. Conversations shared with other eve players and the teamwork have enriched my life. Yea, there is a different between those who hate s and those who are weirded out by them. That's ok though, forgiven But yes - anytime I hear people talk about 's as subhuman worthless trash; it's really no different then a angry wanting to kill black and Jewish people. It's very disturbing and wrong, any sane person with eyes can see this. Whatever lifestyle or background - there is never justification to commit such acts. it does not make it write to commit a murder because you suffered from the hands of a murderer - It only makes things worse. It's amazing that society has repeated these mistakes over and over and suffered the horrors of it, yet have not learned from these mistakes. You would think WW2 was a big enough kick to bring people to rethink things, but it didn't really - at least not enough. I do agree it's wrong to blame religion or a church as a whole for doing or being something - however stating the obvious draws a fine line. In example, some overly defensive Christians could call me a Satanic because I could make very valid statements about Christianity's bloody history. Whereas some Christans can be incredibly racist and hateful people who think they are a perfect person, though at times that can make me and many others become disgusted with Christians for this. Either way - a calling me a satanic, or me or others presuming all Christans are elitist, racists who practice **sm is false. This is another phenomonen of flawed human perception and emotion that creates all sorts of havoc and chaos along with fear and xenophobia. We can't remove this, but we can learn to rise above it and and be intelligent. This occurs wildly in politics and race too, not just religion. Emotion, often for survival, is a nessesary thing. The problem is that as humans, societny, the world, and thought changes - these emotions do not - they will remain unchanged, though everything else is. We cannot change this, but we can still learn to rise above it. This is one of the biggest struggles society on this planet faces right now IMO - the way we think. In order to eliminate many of our problems, and truly advanced - we have to evolve our intelligence and thought process. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.15 03:23:00 - [70] That may sound like something a Vulcan from Star Trek does, but they suppress emotions completely. We can't suppress them, nor should we - but we need to control them, not let them control us, and cause many wars, deaths, and all the other plagues of society. Right now we are literally ruled by this. Until that changes, many of our biggest issues will always persist. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
KingsGambit Caldari Knights	Posted - 2008.05.15 10:28:00 - [71] Originally by: LLeugh I'm impressed with some of the inteligent discussion and some o the replies. I don't know what thread you've been reading, but it certainly can't be this one. This thread is inane, goes in no direction and seems to be simply a springboard for teenager's to alternate between offending anyone homosexual and offending anyone religious. There's another thread in this forum that actually has merit and has provoked this discussion...if I was a mod this one would have been deleted after the first post. Yours is the first moderate post in here, but I'm actually shocked by some of the opinions players have expressed here. -------------
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.05.15 10:52:00 - [72] Originally by: Amastat Edited by: Amastat on 15/05/2008 03:29:12 That may sound like something a Vulcan from Star Trek does, but they suppress emotions completely. We can't suppress them, nor should we - but we need to control them, not let them control us, and cause many wars, deaths, and all the other plagues of society. Right now we are literally ruled by this. Until that changes, many of our biggest issues will always persist. I'll start brewing up the Prozium. Alternatively, apply Lebadevinski's Inequality to the set of Boromian fields, and expand out by Gregorinov's power series. The answer should then be obvious.

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