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Nihilist
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Posted - 2003.06.13 19:18:00 -
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I think its great that all the 2 slot cruisers received an extra medium slot, 2 was pretty tight for a cruiser. However, I beleive the Stabber and MOA must be balanced in accodrance with this change. One of the main advantages that the MOA and Stabber had was an overwhelming superiority in medium slots. Now we are only one slot better then every other cruiser. I beleive CCp fixed one imbalnce but now created another. At the least the MOA and Stabber should get another Medium, LoW or turret slot to compensate.
Take the Thorax for example, now, for about 100 less shields and 1 less medium slot over the MOA, you get about 200 more armor, 200 more structure, an extra turret slot, 2000 unit drone bay, 1 extra low slot, bigger Capacitor...
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Pyroe
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Posted - 2003.06.13 19:33:00 -
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Been flying a Stabber since the second week of release I think and it always had three medium and three low slots. Nothing new here.
Would be nice to have another for sure.
The top end cruiser got an extra medium slot (now it has 3 woohoo) but just like the top Indy there isn't much point in upgrading. The gains are very minimal for iether class of ship. And the extra cost is not worth it Imho.
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Lurk
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Posted - 2003.06.13 19:36:00 -
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The MOA got 2 Missile slots the Thorax has not ...
If one is imbalanced it's the Maller with his 6/3/6 slots which is simply at least 2 more than any other cruiser has. Not to mention his insane powergrid ...
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.06.13 19:44:00 -
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I see no point in using the Moa now, Maller and Thorax are now superior. Missles are fairly crappy at the moment and the hybrid bonus on the Moa doesn't do much because no one uses hybrid weapons anymore due to their major suckage.
This change wasn't necessary at all. Maller needs to atleast lose a low slot.
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Nihilist
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Posted - 2003.06.13 19:48:00 -
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I concur missles are utterly uselss now, maybe they will be tweaked in the future, but yo ucant base current ship balance of potenial future enhancements. Maller and THorax are better ships now, and there really is no reason to use any others at this point in time..
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Hippey
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Posted - 2003.06.13 19:55:00 -
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I also agree that missiles are useless. I only use them because hey.. something is better the nothing, but if I could put a turret there, hell I'd put a civilian cannon, it'd do more damage and cost me way less.
Anyway, I also agree that the Maller is a far superior ship to anything out there and Thorax is in a very close 2nd. If missiles WERE good and worth the money, perhaps the inability to mount any missiles would really be a penalty, but as it stands, it's not at all.
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Hippey
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Posted - 2003.06.13 19:56:00 -
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I also agree that missiles are useless. I only use them because hey.. something is better the nothing, but if I could put a turret there, hell I'd put a civilian cannon, it'd do more damage and cost me way less.
Anyway, I also agree that the Maller is a far superior ship to anything out there and Thorax is in a very close 2nd. If missiles WERE good and worth the money, perhaps the inability to mount any missiles would really be a penalty, but as it stands, it's not at all.
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If you kill them, they will die!
Sport the war, war support
The sport is war, total war
When victory's really a massacre.
The final swing is not a drill
It's how many people I can kill! |
Valeria
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Posted - 2003.06.13 21:02:00 -
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Maller needs to be brought back down to 2 medium slots. It has 6 low slots and the highest cruiser powergrid in-game for crying out loud, it's only weakness (read: reason to own other ship) was lack of medium slots, and now you took that away.
The other Amarr ships deserved more medium slots but the Maller did NOT.
Your 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes some nublar, wrecking for 1155.0 damage. |
Dragon Emperor
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Posted - 2003.06.13 21:23:00 -
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/The other Amarr ships deserved more medium slots but the Maller did NOT.//
why don't say this while all topline cruisers have 2 med slots and moa has 4? med slots own, it's well-known thing. while moa is the best ship, nothing said.. and when moa brought inline with others, crying babies came...
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Lurk
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Posted - 2003.06.13 21:24:00 -
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Maller is too strong now, peroid. If it had 2 medium slots all highend cruisers would be fairly balanced.
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Dragon Emperor
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Posted - 2003.06.13 21:40:00 -
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CPU PW CG AM ST SH SP CAP H M S MS T DR
Moa
350 750 250 850 975 1200 155 1100 6 4 4 2 4 250
Maller
300 850 280 1200 1100 875 160 1200 6 3 6 0 5 0
Thorax
300 675 265 1050 1200 975 165 1100 5 3 5 0 5 2000
to me, it's pretty balanced.
MOA has 4 med slot, 1200 shield(which is most important, I don't think anybody love to see shield down), 2 missle slot and 250 drone bay.
thorax has 975 shield. 2000 drone bay.
Maller has most h/l slots with no missle/drone bay. and worst shield.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.06.14 01:55:00 -
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Maller is THE cruiser.
No contest - at all. Not even close:
Missile are useless (in PvP), next to useless in PvE.
Hybrids are the worst gun-type out (by a long way).
Low-slots STILL "own", the additional med-lsot just makes a slight advantage into a distinct one.
Best Caldari Cruiser remains the Osprey - simply because you can carry some loot in it.
Maller+1 med slot:
Odd change - but so were many many things in this "patch-from-an-alternate-reality."
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Havok
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Posted - 2003.06.14 02:55:00 -
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Excuse me...but why do hybrid weapons suck?? they only problem they had was lack of good meta modules(stamped heat sinks etc.) which have been nerfed for projectiles and lasers.
Edit: oh and the extra mid slot for the other cruisers was a great call, there was a REASON everyone in the game was flying moa's so quit your whining. Oh and goto eve-i.com's ship explorer and check out the cruiser stats before you post here...i see a LOT of wrong info(ex. moa has same cap as thorax not less) and also is ahead in cpu, powergrid, and way ahead in shields(over 225pts which is more than 2 medium shield extenders)
Edited by: Havok on 14/06/2003 03:07:56
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Flisher Ofatale
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Posted - 2003.06.14 04:55:00 -
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MW being the major requirement to equip big gun, the Maller with proper low slot can handle 5 prototype 250mm hybrid, or 5 of any top medium gun and still have between 100 to 300 mw for medslot module...
This incredible firepower replacer in 1 hit the bonus shield other cruiser may have...
compared to drone:
1 gun do 75 dmg in 3-7 seconde.
so 25dmg/second, unless you got top notch drone you won't do this damage, not at 30-40 km, and drone are a little bit expensive since they ten to blow easily...
Any setup compared, I'm still heading for a Maller
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Archon Stormrage
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Posted - 2003.06.14 10:54:00 -
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I concur the Maller will beat the Moa hands down at the moment. It needs to lose a slot and some powergrid where as the Moa needs an extra low slot maybe (Moa can fit maybe 3 high end 250's with a slight bit of power left).
The Thorax works pretty well now.
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Elentra
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Posted - 2003.06.14 11:46:00 -
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Missles useless? No, if you know how to use them they are devistating.
I like both Projectiles, regular and Hybrid, but again depending on your skills and how you equip will determine what is good and what is not. Properly using equipment/weapons is key to making the most of your weapon choice, loading a 250mm Hybrid Rail and sitting 2k from mob/player trying to kill, probably why you dont like Hybrids. Anyhow I have been testing diff setups and have a line of mods/equip that fills 6 hangars with 200+ items/stacks Will be hopefully placing a database online for all to equip a ship and see how the results would be affected in game at diff ranges. Wont be exact but will give you an idea of range best suited for your setup.
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Caillech
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Posted - 2003.06.14 11:50:00 -
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I can't belive you people who say the MOA sucks now... thats SOOO untrue
they already have the highest shield of any cruiser (1200) and 6/4/4 slots ....
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.06.14 14:19:00 -
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Elentra:
Missiles are anything but devistating - it also has nothing to do with "if you know how to use them".. and everything to do with "unless the opposition is the AI or a clueless n00b".
I can sit at 40km with sub-average hybrids and pummel you into the ground before you even get a missile close to me. I don't even have to deal with them!
The only single occaision missiles are anything close to devastating is when the opposition is afk.
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Tassadar Beta
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Posted - 2003.06.14 14:58:00 -
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Some race somewhere has to have the best cruiser, if its the Moa everyone complains that its too overpowered if its the Maller the same thing happens.
Now Im not sure what it should be but I do think the Maller should have 3 medium slots, I mean my frigate has 2 medium slots so why should the most powerful Amarr cruiser have 2.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2003.06.14 16:33:00 -
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Well leaving the Moa for a minute the stabber is a 6:3:3, Rupture was 6:2:5 .. we chose stabbers specifically for the extra med slot .. now the Thorax has 6:3:5 the stabber has lost a chunk of its uniqueness .. would be nice to see it bumped to 4 mid or maybe another low slot ..
Edited by: Zyrla Bladestorm on 14/06/2003 16:33:44
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