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An X
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.05 04:00:00 -
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I wasn't quite sure where to put this...
Ever since November, I've been unable to play EVE Online on my ($2000) desktop computer, due to some kind of GPU screwup.
I've been thinking about getting a new computer, ideally a laptop. I'd be mostly using it for my writing, Internet, and stuff, but I'd like to be able to play EVE Online again.
One option I like, is the Lenovo IdeaPad S205. It has the graphics card mentioned in the subject -- a AMD Radeon HD 6310M 512MB.
I was wondering -- will this play EVE? |
Kehro Urgus
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Posted - 2012.03.05 04:27:00 -
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How many decades ago did you spend $2000 on this computer? I hear voices and they don't like you very much! |
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.05 06:44:00 -
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I always prefer the 1 gig cards myself but I also use my comp for maya/3dsmax. EVE why u no obey Newtonian Physics? Sure wish I could fit med artillery on my frigate to. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
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Posted - 2012.03.05 07:16:00 -
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Well my laptop has an 512MB AMD Radeon HD 4570M, and it runs EVE just fine. Even with almost everything on high. It also runs 3dsmax etc (but not quite as well ).
Edit: It doesn't even get that hot, just don't keep it on your balls while playing EVE and you'll be fine Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Opertone
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.05 07:16:00 -
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Laptops overheat and run hot with 3D graphics. Period. Your hands hot.
Powerful gaming Desktops generate enough Heat to warm up a room in 2 hours.
Even most powerful gaming computers have short time 'hang ups', performance drops which can be critical to gaming.
Laptops almost always struggle to run complex games such as EVE-o.
Simple game - Heroes of might and magic 3. Complex game - online 3D shooter with sound, physics and fast graphics. You'll get lots of stutter on your laptop.
I gave up the idea of playing eve on a laptop. Experience is too poor. Max I can do, check skills, chat and fulfill some contracts. |
W1rlW1nd
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.05 07:45:00 -
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Opertone wrote:Laptops overheat and run hot with 3D graphics. Period. Your hands hot.
. . ..
Nope. Unless your gear is ancient.
I only play eve on laptop now, and from this experience i'm probably never going to buy a desktop ever again.
And at just over US1k it was not very expensive at all. G74, 16gigs ram, GTX560 with 2gigs, EVE at highest settings @ 3840x1080 across two monitors, plays smooth as silk never stutters including CQ, and the fan is barely even running. . . not heating up at all after 4 hours of play tonight.
Using a lot less electricity than my big old desktop.
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Jett0
Team Kitty Choke Slam
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Posted - 2012.03.05 15:19:00 -
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This is a useful list: Graphics Card Hierarchy The card you mentioned is roughly equivalent to an Intel HD 3000. Make sure to look under "mobility," not "discrete."
When comparing Radeons, the second digit is the important one.
Many modern laptops can run EVE just fine, but Lenovo tends to cater more to the workstation market. Laptops that aren't geared for gaming in general tend to sacrifice graphics for processor speed and features like WiMAX.
I would say, if you can salvage your desktop, pop a new card in. It'll be a lot cheaper. If you're set on a laptop, go for custom (iBuyPower, CyberPower, etc.), or maybe ASUS.
/2 ISK |
My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
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Posted - 2012.03.05 15:31:00 -
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I have an AMD Catalyst GPU with over 1 gig on board and the card still dies on me.. AMD's cards have a very slow memory speed compared to others.
I can;t wait to get rid of my AMD card. I bought it as a quick fix when my GeForce died. ...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |
Fidelium Mortis
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.03.05 16:38:00 -
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My Neutral Toon wrote:I have an AMD Catalyst GPU with over 1 gig on board and the card still dies on me.. AMD's cards have a very slow memory speed compared to others.
I can;t wait to get rid of my AMD card. I bought it as a quick fix when my GeForce died.
So much misinformation here. Also if you're killing graphics cards on a regular basis you're doing something wrong, I still have cards from the late 90s that will still run.
As far as video card memory is concerned:
- What resolution are you running the game at? 512 MB is ok for most games at around 1024x768 or lower resolution, but if you have a larger monitor, there's a good chance that you'll start taking a performance hit.
- Make sure the card doesn't use DDR2 memory - some manufacturers use it in budget cards to lower the price but it is considerably slower than other memory such as DDR3 or GDDR5.
Personally I wouldn't play on a laptop if you have options, most aren't really designed for extended gaming and often have poor cooling (which kills components). Maybe working out the desktop graphics issue is a good place to start, and will save you a lot of money. ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
BRAPELILLE MACRO BOT MINERS
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Posted - 2012.03.05 17:38:00 -
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You need >>>at least<<< ATI 5870M/68xxM or Nvdia 460M/560M if you want a good laptop and not a piece of ****. You should get ATI 6990M or Nvidia 580M if you want an awesome laptop. Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07 or uninstall and DIAF |
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
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Posted - 2012.03.05 17:39:00 -
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I had a similar issue when my 'top' gpu failed and CCP at the same time decided that they really wanted SM3.
My issue was that I had some decent (for a given value of decent) hardware running, but only AGP :/
My saviour was Radeon HD 4600 series, 1 GB AGP and much cheaper than buying a new mobo and most likely a pile of other gadgets to fit it.
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An X
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.05 18:42:00 -
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Jett0 wrote:This is a useful list: Graphics Card HierarchyThe card you mentioned is roughly equivalent to an Intel HD 3000. Make sure to look under "mobility," not "discrete." When comparing Radeons, the second digit is the important one. Many modern laptops can run EVE just fine, but Lenovo tends to cater more to the workstation market. Laptops that aren't geared for gaming in general tend to sacrifice graphics for processor speed and features like WiMAX. I would say, if you can salvage your desktop, pop a new card in. It'll be a lot cheaper. If you're set on a laptop, go for custom (iBuyPower, CyberPower, etc.), or maybe ASUS. /2 ISK
Huh. It's above the minimum ATI card, but below the minimum Nvidia one.
And, I'm afraid the problems with the GPU may have fried the other innards of my computer. To explain what happened, it started doing that thing where green dots show up on the screen, and eventually everything on the screen goes totally bonkers until it has to shut itself down. It did this a few times.
And, thanks, everyone! |
Cindy Marco
Expanse Security
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Posted - 2012.03.05 18:49:00 -
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My Neutral Toon wrote:I have an AMD Catalyst GPU with over 1 gig on board and the card still dies on me.. AMD's cards have a very slow memory speed compared to others.
I can;t wait to get rid of my AMD card. I bought it as a quick fix when my GeForce died.
Wow, biased much? You get what you pay for.
The cheap AMD cards are crap, just like the cheap Nvidia cards are crap.
If you want great performance buy one of the full cards from one of the good manufacturers. Its also great because they actually stand behind their warranty.
If you buy a budget version from one of the poor manufacturers you will get a less functional card, and poor to no warranty support.
Both companies have good products, although it seems lately Nvidia is falling way behind. They are only really competitive for high end cards.
I have not had a card from ether company fail. I still have a Geforce 4, and a Radeon 9800 that run fine.
I have a Radeon X800XT that ended up in my home server after it became outdated. I had to replace the fan once. It likely had 30,000 hours on it by that point. And it still works, but its simply sitting in a cabinet because its become too outdated for my server as well.
An X wrote:One option I like, is the Lenovo IdeaPad S205. It has the graphics card mentioned in the subject -- a AMD Radeon HD 6310M 512MB.] Its a pretty low end card. Its got the power that high end cards did about 8 years ago, with a newer shader/DirectX versions. I would try to go up to at least another tier if you can.
For AMDs HD series you can learn alot about the card by the first 2 numbers. For example HD4700.
- It would be part of the 4th series since they changed their naming scheme in 2003ish. They are currently on the 7th series.
- The second number tells you what type of card it is. The higher the better. The 9s are top shelf, best of line cards. The 7-8s are strong cards as well. The flagship cards are always the hd x7xx's and up, with cheaper cards coming later.
- The last 2 numbers will tell you exactly where it lies within those points, with higher being faster.
An X wrote:Huh. It's above the minimum ATI card, but below the minimum Nvidia one.
And, I'm afraid the problems with the GPU may have fried the other innards of my computer. To explain what happened, it started doing that thing where green dots show up on the screen, and eventually everything on the screen goes totally bonkers until it has to shut itself down. It did this a few times.
And, thanks, everyone!
Does it do it all the time, or just under load? It could be the card overheating. Try underclocking it and see what happens. |
An X
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.05 18:56:00 -
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Yes, it happens when it gets too hot. I've underclocked it and it doesn't screw up (cleaning the inside of the tower thing helped too).
But, it started flipping out for a short time when I was playing just a little browser game, and it wasn't even at the temp it starts flipping out at. |
Fidelium Mortis
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.03.05 19:10:00 -
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Hopefully the graphics card is still ok, it sounds like you have a bit of a dust issue. I would recommend buying a can of compressed air, taking out the expansion cards (graphics, network, sound, etc) and blow out as much dust/crap as you can. Then stick the cards back into their respective slot and turn on the computer without the side on, and check to make sure all of the fans are running (preferably without sticking your finger in them). Also it's perfectly ok to run the computer without the side on, especially if you are having heat issues. ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.05 19:27:00 -
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Just bought a 500 dollar tower. And it runs eve on high settings just using the built in GPU.
I think its time you get a new computer OP.
Not trolling, my new comp I had to buy to replace my old 7 year old comp i prob spent 2000 on cause it had everything in it for the time and it ran poorer then my new off the shelf best buy comp with no upgrades.
Time marches on.
I think i did well with my old comp for as long as i had it.
I think most laptops have more power then the card you listed these days. |
An X
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.05 19:34:00 -
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Fidelium Mortis wrote:Hopefully the graphics card is still ok, it sounds like you have a bit of a dust issue. I would recommend buying a can of compressed air, taking out the expansion cards (graphics, network, sound, etc) and blow out as much dust/crap as you can. Then stick the cards back into their respective slot and turn on the computer without the side on, and check to make sure all of the fans are running (preferably without sticking your finger in them). Also it's perfectly ok to run the computer without the side on, especially if you are having heat issues.
What's funny is, my father suggested just this, and I said "no, that'll screw it up." The thing about taking the side off, anyways. |
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