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Ralumos
Synergy Evolved
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.05.15 01:01:00 -
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When you have 4 sell orders all in the same station, for fractions of an ISK apart, I almost always buy the highest of them. Only if the difference is going to cost me a *significant* amount of ISK do I break this rule. The vast majority of the time it comes down to a matter of hundreds of ISK.
I don't know why I do this, I think its because I despise people who undercut my OWN orders by 0.01 ISK, and I have sympathy when it is done to others. Or maybe I think it will somehow help the market because those people who have already undercut, and still aren't selling, might undercut even more.
Does anyone else do this? Or more importantly, after reading this, will anyone do it now?
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Jmanis Catharg
Caldari
Stickler inc
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Posted - 2008.05.15 01:21:00 -
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Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 15/05/2008 01:21:35
Congratulations, you're paying the lowest bidder a couple isk more for their goods. 
In case you didn't realise, You've got two sell orders for an item. One is for 1000 isk, the other is for 1000000 isk. If you right click on the one which displays 1000000 and say "buy this", you'll proceed to place a buy order for this item at 1000000 isk.
The person with the lowest sell order will recieve the ISK and lose their item.
So after you buy it there'll be one sell order left, and that will be for 1000000 isk, as you just bought the item listed at 1000 isk for 1000000
In other words, you have no control, you ALWAYS buy from the lowest sell order in the station, you just get to decide how much you pay :P
If you don't believe me, go buy from the "higher" bidder, then see which sell order lost quantity in their order.
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Lord Fitz
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.15 03:09:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Fitz on 15/05/2008 03:09:55
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I Never Buy the Cheapest Sell Order
Afraid you have no choice in the matter you always buy the cheapest sell order. Eve will not let you buy a more expensive one unless it is in a different location. They will however let you pay more than the cheapest guy is asking. (And yes he gets the isk)
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Zeknichov
Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2008.05.15 05:36:00 -
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lol
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.15 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Fitz
Edited by: Lord Fitz on 15/05/2008 03:09:55
Quote:
I Never Buy the Cheapest Sell Order
Afraid you have no choice in the matter you always buy the cheapest sell order. Eve will not let you buy a more expensive one unless it is in a different location. They will however let you pay more than the cheapest guy is asking. (And yes he gets the isk)
It's true, I often get paid more than my sell price when people do this, sometimes it's a few 0.01 ISK, other times it's a significant amount. I've been paid 250,000 ISK for items I have for sale at 12,000 ISK a number of times recently, because someone's been putting up lots of ridiculously high sell orders in my area.
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Slate Fistcrunch
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Posted - 2008.05.15 06:47:00 -
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Ralumos is my new favorite EVE player.
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Zeph Solaris
Legitimate Corporation
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Posted - 2008.05.15 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Fitz
Edited by: Lord Fitz on 15/05/2008 03:09:55
Quote:
I Never Buy the Cheapest Sell Order
Afraid you have no choice in the matter you always buy the cheapest sell order. Eve will not let you buy a more expensive one unless it is in a different location. They will however let you pay more than the cheapest guy is asking. (And yes he gets the isk)
I can attest for this. I had shuttles on the market for 22k ISK. Wound up getting paid 8.5 mil for one this morning.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.05.15 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ralumos
I have no clue how market orders are processed
Amen.
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Won Swunglow
Caldari
Dead By Dawn
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Posted - 2008.05.15 08:31:00 -
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I love it when this happens, once I got paid 89mill for a thousand Gremlin Javlin missiles...
Ya gotta love the Irony
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Qual
Gallente
Cornexant Research
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Posted - 2008.05.15 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ralumos
Does anyone else do this? Or more importantly, after reading this, will anyone do it now?
I do hope so!
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Dsnakes
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jmanis Catharg
Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 15/05/2008 01:21:35
Congratulations, you're paying the lowest bidder a couple isk more for their goods.
LOL, Epic fail
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Galtan Deus
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Slate Fistcrunch
Ralumos is my new favorite EVE player.
This. Ralumos...you make me want to smile and pat you on the head.
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pulse1976
Minmatar
Far Edge Outcasts
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:45:00 -
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You know, I've always wondered about why i kept getting more money for items I had on sale. This explains it. Up until now I've never said anything since I was benefiting from the extra income.
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Amrumm
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:52:00 -
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Only on the contracts market can you choose which offer to accept. When buying stuff from contracts I prefer the 500m offers over a 499.999.999 offer (498m on the other hand...)
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2008.05.15 17:45:00 -
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How does wasting money feel?
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Ralumos
Synergy Evolved
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.05.15 19:14:00 -
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I just learned something new, and (I think) very interesting. For the record, I've never paid millions and millions of ISK for missiles, I'm talking a couple hundred ISK at most for an entire order.
In my defense, how would I possibly have known this other than watching what happens to orders *after* I buy something, or dividing the amount of ISK I made by how many units of something I sold? I've never seen this documented anywhere or mentioned on the forums in my 2+ years of playing this game.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.05.15 19:38:00 -
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People have occasionally posted to the effect that they've been on the opposite end, receiving more isk than they asked for.
I occasionally do this if I want to buy a large quantity of items and there are lots of low-price, low volume orders all within a few isk of each other. Sometimes it's just not worth the extra effort to buy from each order individually.
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Effei Gloom
Minmatar
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.05.15 21:33:00 -
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funny topic,
but I am also not buying from the lowest value (and often smallest) stack. Too much hassle to check hangars till you get your order filled with buying 5-6 stacks.
So if the sell orders are only a few isk from each other I buy from a stack big enough to fill my required ammount.
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Posted - 2008.05.15 22:50:00 -
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someone bought my armor plate at 1.5m for 503 items while the item is worth at 150k. Now calculate how much isk you just give away
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Kaaii
Caldari
PixelJuice Design
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.05.15 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kaaii on 15/05/2008 23:10:42
Thinking like this is why we now own "your" region......
According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there.
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Director of Community Relations,
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.05.15 23:53:00 -
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Quote:
but I am also not buying from the lowest value (and often smallest) stack. Too much hassle to check hangars till you get your order filled with buying 5-6 stacks.
So if the sell orders are only a few isk from each other I buy from a stack big enough to fill my required ammount.
That's fair enough. When I buy 4 million units of Fernite Carbide I can't be stuffed buying from 4 orders of 800k when they are 0.01 isk apart.
As for Ramulos not seeing it documented, well, I guess it isn't because it's pretty obviously a broker system (the whole buy, sell orders and broker fee's). CCP's guides exist to tell you how to play a game, not explain RL concepts. To further my point, the guides don't explain what bounty hunting is, they just say you can do it. Your question isn't dissimilar (albiet exaggerated) to me asking "If I'm bounty hunting, why can't i find these chocolate bars anywhere" (bounty, chocolate bar, go figure poor analogy I know).
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Yurda Dei
Central Logistics and Insider Trading Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.16 02:08:00 -
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Self-pwnage treads like this rock!
I only wish that a mod would move this to the market forum so that some of the ignorant .01 isk haters there can realize the extra rewards they are spreading to those that they despise so much.
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Lady Natacha
Minmatar
Water and Power
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Posted - 2008.05.16 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ralumos
I don't know why I do this.... maybe I think it will somehow help the market ..... will anyone do it now?
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Beriel
Cosmic Odyssey
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.05.16 07:27:00 -
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I had to post in this thread because it is just too funny. If I were the OP I would come back and edit saying I was just goofing. man-0-man
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RedLion
Caldari
Polaris Project
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.16 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ralumos
When you have 4 sell orders all in the same station, for fractions of an ISK apart, I almost always buy the highest of them. Only if the difference is going to cost me a *significant* amount of ISK do I break this rule. The vast majority of the time it comes down to a matter of hundreds of ISK.
I don't know why I do this, I think its because I despise people who undercut my OWN orders by 0.01 ISK, and I have sympathy when it is done to others. Or maybe I think it will somehow help the market because those people who have already undercut, and still aren't selling, might undercut even more.
Does anyone else do this? Or more importantly, after reading this, will anyone do it now?
LOL haha, here you come and think you are a smartipant :P Instead you are giving the undercutter a couple of more isk :)
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Posted - 2008.05.16 11:40:00 -
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I really hate undercutters who do it by 1000's rathter than .01
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Takimi Star
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Posted - 2008.05.16 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Takimi Star on 16/05/2008 11:53:04
Originally by: Ralumos
When you have 4 sell orders all in the same station, for fractions of an ISK apart, I almost always buy the highest of them. Only if the difference is going to cost me a *significant* amount of ISK do I break this rule. The vast majority of the time it comes down to a matter of hundreds of ISK.
I don't know why I do this, I think its because I despise people who undercut my OWN orders by 0.01 ISK, and I have sympathy when it is done to others. Or maybe I think it will somehow help the market because those people who have already undercut, and still aren't selling, might undercut even more.
Does anyone else do this? Or more importantly, after reading this, will anyone do it now?
Thank you for your patronage, and I appreciate the extra tip that you give me out of appreciation for the high quality of goods I am providing.
Originally by: Ralumos
I just learned something new, and (I think) very interesting. For the record, I've never paid millions and millions of ISK for missiles, I'm talking a couple hundred ISK at most for an entire order.
In my defense, how would I possibly have known this other than watching what happens to orders *after* I buy something, or dividing the amount of ISK I made by how many units of something I sold? I've never seen this documented anywhere or mentioned on the forums in my 2+ years of playing this game.
I applaud you for your reaction when you found out. Most people tend to get angry and argue that they are right and everyone else who plays is wrong. :clap:
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Kwint Sommer
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.16 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Effei Gloom
funny topic,
but I am also not buying from the lowest value (and often smallest) stack. Too much hassle to check hangars till you get your order filled with buying 5-6 stacks.
So if the sell orders are only a few isk from each other I buy from a stack big enough to fill my required ammount.
That makes sense, I've known to to it as well. What is laughably dumb is buying from a higher priced guy (even if its just .01 ISK) on principle. The lowest guy gets the sale either way, you're just giving him more money.
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Shakuul
Caldari
Extreme Addiction
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.05.16 23:50:00 -
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You should consider training Market Knowledge IV.
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Ralumos
Synergy Evolved
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.05.17 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Takimi Star
Edited by: Takimi Star on 16/05/2008 11:53:04
Originally by: Ralumos
When you have 4 sell orders all in the same station, for fractions of an ISK apart, I almost always buy the highest of them. Only if the difference is going to cost me a *significant* amount of ISK do I break this rule. The vast majority of the time it comes down to a matter of hundreds of ISK.
I don't know why I do this, I think its because I despise people who undercut my OWN orders by 0.01 ISK, and I have sympathy when it is done to others. Or maybe I think it will somehow help the market because those people who have already undercut, and still aren't selling, might undercut even more.
Does anyone else do this? Or more importantly, after reading this, will anyone do it now?
Thank you for your patronage, and I appreciate the extra tip that you give me out of appreciation for the high quality of goods I am providing.
Originally by: Ralumos
I just learned something new, and (I think) very interesting. For the record, I've never paid millions and millions of ISK for missiles, I'm talking a couple hundred ISK at most for an entire order.
In my defense, how would I possibly have known this other than watching what happens to orders *after* I buy something, or dividing the amount of ISK I made by how many units of something I sold? I've never seen this documented anywhere or mentioned on the forums in my 2+ years of playing this game.
I applaud you for your reaction when you found out. Most people tend to get angry and argue that they are right and everyone else who plays is wrong. :clap:
That's because the majority of people playing any game are immature children. It's nice to see the occasional adult. I clearly did not understand how this works, and now I do, so I am glad to have learned from the experience. I see no reason to be defensive about it. I've been playing this game a while and I am still learning things every day; that is part of why I enjoy it so much. If I've entertained someone in the process, all the more good in my mind.
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