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Martin Mckenna D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.15 10:27:00 - [121] Originally by: touchvill Are you a complete ******* moron? Dark stood by you're side when noone else had faith in you. This is what my post tryed to say but you said it on 1 line... ---------------------------------------------
Rockbox The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.15 10:28:00 - [122] Originally by: El*** Ethenwe* guess who made the first post on the comand forum and what it was about....... No? it was GD arguing over a tycnetium moon. this is classic gd signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])
Max Teranous The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.15 10:40:00 - [123] Edited by: Max Teranous on 15/05/2008 10:44:52 Originally by: Evil Thug I checked TRI kb. Dorm have more real kills. As for younger - they joined TRI 1 month earlier than illuminati did. As for smaller corp - i dont think difference is that huge. Dorm is carebears, and carebearing reqires lots of alts. Hence, i`m asking again. How come, that carebears scored more kills than elite pvp force. Illuminati have also been out the alliance for over a month now - Dorm's couple of months more time equates to about 20% overall. The numbers thing - for most of Illuminati's history they had around 50 members, only recently has it gone up to closer to 100. Dorm have been about ~250 i think. Carebear alts for both corps were not in the main corps, alt corps are used. My carebear chars aren't in Illuminati for example Finally you know what lies, damn lies and statistics killboards are like. 10 Illuminati pilots and 1 dorm pilot in a gang kill something, it shows up as 1 kill for each corp. That does not equal the same level of participation though. And to ask a question in reply, what would you think or do if say Collective refused to attend and boycotted alliance ops if they did not directly benefit from them? Max
Max Teranous The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.15 10:41:00 - [124] Originally by: Vigor Originally by: Howling Jinn Originally by: Vigor lol @ the thaught of DORM making us cheap super caps how about instead of beeing lasy children you actually build them yourself? Because unlike DORM we dont actually have any1 in corp who can build them. Max
EVIL SYNNs Minmatar Shadows of the Dead R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.15 10:43:00 - [125] we all get it... GD and Dorm are the main reason TRI disbanded. Now what of the future? Is there a new superpower about to emerge? Doom won't be in Empire for long, they have too many good Pew Pewers to gate camp. They have a Super Cap fleet to melt in front of. I can't see any of them joining any of the North. MC Corps are still looking for homes. Is there a chance, even slightly, of bringing the DREAM of TRI back. A High skilled, High Smack, Lots of fun <Space holding> alliance. With PETS who do da mining? [/url]
Destr0math The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.15 10:55:00 - [126] Edited by: Destr0math on 15/05/2008 11:00:23 Originally by: Evil Thug Got one question. How come, that DORM got more kills on TRI kb than Illuminati (as they are main flamers here). P.S. This is serious question and stuff ! considering O**** was under 50 members for the first 3 months of its existence(when I joined, a month and a half after its inception, it had ~20), and even still is about 1/3 the size of dorm, i'm not too surprised. ----
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.15 11:02:00 - [127] Originally by: Arthur Guinness Originally by: Butter Dog Any truth in the rumour that DORM have paid off the NC not to attack them? They somehow got a nap, not sure if they paid them or what. General Douchebag admits the nap earlier in the post. Excellent, more targets for us always nice to have targets available in a 360 from your current base ----------
Ralara Caldari D00M.	Posted - 2008.05.15 11:09:00 - [128] Edited by: Ralara on 15/05/2008 11:11:19 Originally by: Vigor Originally by: Howling Jinn Originally by: Vigor lol @ the thaught of DORM making us cheap super caps how about instead of beeing lasy children you actually build them yourself? Because unlike DORM we dont actually have any1 in corp who can build them. I'm going to regret doing this, because I do like Dorm, I like GD and I like the members. As an industrial corp, which is what you were sold on, what did the alliance get from Dorm as a benefit? I'm not talking about PvP ops or kill stats or anything - Dorm was "sold" to Tri as an industrial corp and it's something the Dorm leadership has said on this board before - Dorm was there to help with Sov and jump bridges etc - the "industrial backbone" so to speak. But there were no cheap ships for sale, other than between private member deals. There were no cheap fitted BS waiting for us when we were podded, there were no cheap or heck even market priced Caps for sale, on a corporation scale. GD even sent an alliance mail saying to stop asking Dorm for ships as they don't produce them for the alliance. So what did Dorm do for the alliance - what justifies the "industrial" side, if the alliance didn't benefit? Jump bridges - Yes, Dorm maintained some. But so did Doom - heck Doom held the most used one - 2-K >> EC-. RA held the YAO >> JU one. Dorm had one that I occationally used - the DKUK one. My point is, Dorm did not run all the JBs and certainly the other corps were able to run their own, fuel them etc without Dorm. Capital ships - Were there any special deals for Triumvirate? Was there a procedure in place for supplying them cheaply to the alliance? I'm not a cap pilot so I'm honestly asking there. I know I did see "WTBs" in the alliance chat every so often, so I'm assuming if there was something in place, it wasn't widely known about. Building stations? Yeah, you built an outpost. then demanded that no one else in Tri dock there. Heck I didn't even know we had that one (SD?) in the dead-end system until I went in there one day on a random roam and was asked to leave!! What justifies the huge amount of ratting that went on? The mining ops? - I recall one time when Dorm locked down a system with bubbles on each side of the exit gates right in the middle of Dek - it looked like the entire corp was strip mining the system! :D The moon mining (and yes, I am well aware that other corps had moon mining ops, so I'm not saying that in itself is wrong - but what was the benefit to the alliance?) Basically, what I'm asking is, I guess - what was the point in having an "industrial" corp that spent a lot of time - more than the other corps - "carebearing" in the Alliance when I personally can't see much benefit to the entire alliance? Again I'd like to stress that I am not saying that Dorm didn't PvP - Dorm had good KB stats. I'm not saying their members were doing anything bad or wrong or underhanded. I respect them and I respect GD and it was a pleasure flying with you all. I'm not trying to lash out or flame at Dorm in any way with this post. It is has no bearing on D00M. and its policies / intents towards Dorm. -- "I didn't join Triumvirate, I joined D00M.".
Semkhet Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.15 11:11:00 - [129] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs we all get it... GD and Dorm are the main reason TRI disbanded. Now what of the future? Is there a new superpower about to emerge? Doom won't be in Empire for long, they have too many good Pew Pewers to gate camp. They have a Super Cap fleet to melt in front of. I can't see any of them joining any of the North. MC Corps are still looking for homes. Is there a chance, even slightly, of bringing the DREAM of TRI back. A High skilled, High Smack, Lots of fun <Space holding> alliance. With PETS who do da mining? I can't blame DORM members, after all, GD was on the helm and when your CEO threatens to boot you if you attend an allied op, there's little you can do except leave a corp which is probably full of your m8's. Hence DORM's attitude was above all the reflection of GD's own decisions, behavior & standards. That's why given the current mess, I believe the main thing where many TRI & ex-TRI find a common ground is the impervious desire to blow & pod GD on sight in one of his exquisite setups.
Tomas Ysidro Caldari The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.15 11:12:00 - [130] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Arthur Guinness Originally by: Butter Dog Any truth in the rumour that DORM have paid off the NC not to attack them? They somehow got a nap, not sure if they paid them or what. General Douchebag admits the nap earlier in the post. Excellent, more targets for us always nice to have targets available in a 360 from your current base "Sir, we're surrounded" "Excellent, we can advance in any direction now!" --------------------------------------------

Ralara Caldari D00M.	Posted - 2008.05.15 11:13:00 - [131] Originally by: Tomas Ysidro Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Arthur Guinness Originally by: Butter Dog Any truth in the rumour that DORM have paid off the NC not to attack them? They somehow got a nap, not sure if they paid them or what. General Douchebag admits the nap earlier in the post. Excellent, more targets for us always nice to have targets available in a 360 from your current base "Sir, we're surrounded" "Excellent, we can advance in any direction now!" "there sure are a lot of them!" "that'll just make it harder for us to miss." -- "I didn't join Triumvirate, I joined D00M.".
The Monkeysphere The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.15 11:13:00 - [132] DORM does PVP.. When I joined TRI a while ago, I joined DORM (had a corp merger of sorts, with like 4 people).. and when I put effort into it I was no1 on the killboard every now and then, provided hellwarrior and Wargod were a bit lazy :P. I wasn't the only DORM guy there. DORM is huge; there's a decent number of people who do like to pvp in small gangs but the problem is that there are no good FCs in DORM. Before getting utterly bored and leaving I had been in DORM for about 2 months and there were literally less than five corp roaming gangs in that time.. so what you ended up with most of the time is 20 D00M people and 1 DORM guy or something similar. That's okay, really (esp with corps like NSN and CORA who are small), but something is wrong when that's the case 90% of the time in a 200+ man corp. Never mind the Germans who stayed in god-knows-where-lowsec for months before ever getting a kill somewhere else than in front of a lowsec station/losing their ratting Raven in Deklein. I imagine all the drama has made DORM more cohesive, so it shouldn't be as bad, but still - there is a distinct lack of good pvpers. Cannon fodder is nothing tbh, everyone can recruit 100 nonames and have them push butan. This isn't to say that there are no cool people in DORM - there are. I just hope that they somehow see past their disillusioned leader and do something that's fun for themselves and not for GD. Anyway, as someone pointed out before: WE TOLD YOU SO. Because, well, we really did.
Jebidus Skari Amarr Comply Or Die Retribution.	Posted - 2008.05.15 11:24:00 - [133] Why is this argument still going on!... They way i see is Dorm prety much garrisoned deklein and tbh honest did it well to i guess ensure the security of deklein, whats the problem with that? And for that they get some nice moons, again when they deploy hundreds of poses sounds like a fair deal to me. But then Doom had some very nice moons too. So what is the problem here? You cant blame dorm for anything really, if people didnt want them to have moons etc then they should of been told they cant simple as..did anyone do that?? Wasnt it up to the alliance 'leaders' to equally share the wealth? I just think it more of a blame culture of why Tri died. If anyone its got to be down to the leadership surely.. Angel left because Tri lost its way and to be honest I agree with why she left, but thats not dorms fault is it? Im sure the whole mess could of been sorted but i think it got to a point people just tired of Tri and lost the desire simple as really..
touchvill D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.15 11:31:00 - [134] Originally by: Jebidus Skari Why is this argument still going on!... They way i see is Dorm prety much garrisoned deklein and tbh honest did it well to i guess ensure the security of deklein, whats the problem with that? And for that they get some nice moons, again when they deploy hundreds of poses sounds like a fair deal to me. But then Doom had some very nice moons too. So what is the problem here? You cant blame dorm for anything really, if people didnt want them to have moons etc then they should of been told they cant simple as..did anyone do that?? Wasnt it up to the alliance 'leaders' to equally share the wealth? I just think it more of a blame culture of why Tri died. If anyone its got to be down to the leadership surely.. Angel left because Tri lost its way and to be honest I agree with why she left, but thats not dorms fault is it? Im sure the whole mess could of been sorted but i think it got to a point people just tired of Tri and lost the desire simple as really.. You should probably read the op and see why everyone is ragging on dorm. He has basicly spat in the faces of those who lost friendships supporting him. ---------- Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
CWevers Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.15 11:46:00 - [135] Oh my god... the level of hypocrisy in this thread's replies is at an astounding high level. Go gank haulers you freakin poptards. GD for president!
Silc'n Caldari Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.15 11:47:00 - [136] Edited by: Silc''n on 15/05/2008 11:47:58 DORM leadership, I wish you good luck in your future endeavours. Claiming to be an elite pvp force of sorts however is indeed a bold claim. Killboards lie in numbers, points etc, but they don't lie when showing fittings. Analyzing your fittings, it's safe to say you have minimal to zero understanding on PVP game mechanics and you have managed consistently to gimp yourself before PVP even started. Your corp ticker has become a meme on terrible fittings. http://www.eve-razor.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=69949
Leikeze Mrotserif coracao ardente Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.15 11:48:00 - [137] hey im in a thread :waves:
Efdi Minmatar Brannigan's Law	Posted - 2008.05.15 11:51:00 - [138] Originally by: 128th ABC123 ***fight! *fight! *fight! Lol, I think none of you would be an asset to any alliance, fracking dramaqueens fighting out there internal squabbels on the public forums... Very professional. At least they're all (save DORM, apparently) useful for something, unlike your **ty little alliance.
Ralara Caldari D00M.	Posted - 2008.05.15 11:58:00 - [139] Originally by: CWevers Edited by: CWevers on 15/05/2008 11:47:00 Oh my god... the hypocrisy in this thread's replies is at an astoundingly high level. Go gank haulers you freakin poptards. GD for president! said the guy with the killboard sig showing his last kill was an Iteron 3 in empire space... just kidding :) -- "I didn't join Triumvirate, I joined D00M.".
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:03:00 - [140] Originally by: General Dynasty I think the time has come to explain the situation to those that do not know it. DORM joined Tri from the ashes of a dieing alliance that bit off more then they could chew (Fallen Souls) We merged with Dark-Rising and found ourselves fighting old friends. After the fall of DR we decided to rebirth our home corp DORM and start fresh. We took the assets we had and made a deal with Tri to join. Our deal was this; 1. We will provide towers and pvpers to take dekein and hold that space to the best of our abilities. 2. We will be a pvp force in the alliance worthy of membership. We held our end of the bargain. I feel the need to explain the true actions of leadership over the past few weeks that I personally have been flamed for but not without some background. First of all, dorm never held the most money moons in dek or surrounding area's. Doom held twice as many money moons as Dorm. We had a few but the majority of our poses were space holder towers. We also bankrolled and built 2 stations that the alliance was going to pay us for but never did. Our corp was in every alliance gang with the highest attendence. We've lead the kb in alliance for the past month. Doom's Titan came out of the oven the same day that I came home from work and found out that Darknesss decided and posted on COAD that Tri is disbanding. This tbh is not that much of a surprise to me because of the time I hired Tri to help defend scalding pass from the goons and RA over a year ago. They ran, and they run now. Storm Armada comes to mind here Run before the fight even starts and you all off you forum *****s call me the space raper and carebear look at the facts first and see the true situation Dorm will always stick to their word and live with honor General Dynasty ☠ So you decided to take the titan ? PS: I only read the OP, not the rest to page 5 or 6 that this thread presently has.

Idaeus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:06:00 - [141] Originally by: Groves111 Originally by: Darknesss arghhh, the last TRI drama thread. It's going to be a shame. I'll miss them :( I won't. You're stealing our attention.
Baddias Mongo Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:09:00 - [142] Originally by: Drifta Dorm joining Razor... c/d? Deny ----
Von Zarovick The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:19:00 - [143] Matt Damon
Desilvia	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:21:00 - [144] I have Been in Tri for over eight months and would have to say that when I 1st joined I was very impressed with how Gangs were run. I will admit I never got to do a hell of a lot of PvP in TRI Prime time being an Aussie Player, But when Gangs were called I would show up almost all the time when I was online. I would like to thank Super69 for some of the epic Gangs/fights I was involved in when flying with him and Other members of DOOM, Omen, VSQ , N40 and O**. As for all the politics, I dont know the whole story, But it is extremly dissapointing how things have turned out. I must admit I never looked on these forums B4 and I am sorry I have looked now. I did not realize how bad things really were. I just hope that not all DORM members get hit with the ** stick Because Our CEO Spoke His mind. I would finally just like to say GL to all the peeps in the alliance and thank the people who made it a enjoyable experience. -Desilvia-
Ayumi Arram Anoint Anarchy.	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:44:00 - [145] Edited by: Ayumi Arram on 15/05/2008 12:43:48 Guys, think about this. This is the last hilarious, smacktalking drama thread from Tri. Doesn't that not just make you sad? Tri - we will all miss you. ps: why so hatefull GD? Smile, be happy!
touchvill D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:46:00 - [146] Originally by: Ayumi Arram Edited by: Ayumi Arram on 15/05/2008 12:43:48 Guys, think about this. This is the last hilarious, smacktalking drama thread from Tri. Doesn't that not just make you sad? Tri - we will all miss you. ps: why so hatefull GD? Smile, be happy! That would need him to stop being a victim... Of his own stupidity that is. ---------- Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Kalissa D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:53:00 - [147] Originally by: touchvill Edited by: touchvill on 15/05/2008 10:30:11 Originally by: General Dynasty funny how the only people that seem to flame me are cruel intensions that seem to blame me for dark kicking angel and now doom who I directly accussed of screwing of dorm look at the facts eve and watch the idiots post on them, maybe then you'll understand GD Are you a complete ***** moron? Dark stood by you're side when noone else had faith in you. He lost a friendship in angel (well sort of) and he has had his friendship with wargod damaged in this. All because he thought they were harsh towards you. D00M. corp has been nothing but understanding towards you and have been trying to encourage you to grow (in abillity not numbers). Now you come out with this. D00M. members who have moved their assets out of Dekklein has been trying to secure the area's where people are evacuating from which isn't easy as not many had moved. In all honesty it'd be a bit of a push to call Angel & Dark friends, they both respected each others abilities and would support each other if it hit the fan on COAD, but lets be honest from when Angel and Dark first met each other they disagreed on a pretty regular basis. With Angel and Darknesss you've got two very strong personalities, either of which despises having to back down and will only do so when catastrophe beckons. (And sometimes not even then) Dark did stand by GD in the episode which ended in 3 corps leaving Tri, but that arguement was only the latest of many many arguements with Darkness and Angel at it's centre, and it was the straw that broke the camels back as far as Darkness was concerned I think. The horrible situation within Tri was that you had a couple of corps who saw anything remotely regarding pos work as being carebear and therefore not eligible to be in Tri, yet these people didnt seem to grasp that pos work is a necessity in Eve if you're gonna get anywhere, and of course with Dorm having a superior number of pos's down compared to other corps in Tri they became their main target. Illuminati were one of those corps, to put that into context they had one pos, one single pos and that was a moon miner and they loathed having it up but had no choice as it provided good income for them. I believe they even named the pos something like "fk pos's" And it's also true that Doom had more high end moons than Dorm did, I believe we had 3 more than they. The main reason Doom got no hassle for it was that there were basically two people in Doom running the entire pos network which is a recipe for disaster in itself. Dorm were better organized by far on that regard and had more people running their network and because of that they got griefed by it from certain areas within Tri. These other people made no secret they wanted Dorm out, yet how do you kick a corp from an alliance that has brought it a big level of security on the pos front? Yes Dorm had their own station in Deklein which they paid for themselves, and they also loaned Tri the cash necessary to get another outpost built. I think in the end Tri failed because the people within it could not learn to see that other people within it who might have expertise in a different area also had something to give the alliance. Basically it had some very vocal hardliners who are probably better suited to an alliance that never holds territory
Sacul Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:53:00 - [148] Originally by: Ralara Dorm was "sold" to Tri as an industrial corp and it's something the Dorm leadership has said on this board before - Dorm was there to help with Sov and jump bridges etc - the "industrial backbone" so to speak. But there were no cheap ships for sale, other than between private member deals. There were no cheap fitted BS waiting for us when we were podded, there were no cheap or heck even market priced Caps for sale, on a corporation scale. GD even sent an alliance mail saying to stop asking Dorm for ships as they don't produce them for the alliance. So what did Dorm do for the alliance - what justifies the "industrial" side, if the alliance didn't benefit? Capital ships - Were there any special deals for Triumvirate? Was there a procedure in place for supplying them cheaply to the alliance? I'm not a cap pilot so I'm honestly asking there. I know I did see "WTBs" in the alliance chat every so often, so I'm assuming if there was something in place, it wasn't widely known about. Basically, what I'm asking is, I guess - what was the point in having an "industrial" corp that spent a lot of time - more than the other corps - "carebearing" in the Alliance when I personally can't see much benefit to the entire alliance? Quoting the guy with the biggest clue in this 6 page ****ter. Thnx Ralara. The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
Phrixus Zephyr Prospero Incorperated	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:10:00 - [149] Tri was a snowball we didn't know when to stop. We recruited too many corps for the sake of recruiting corps, took too much space because it was easy to take and then let in too many freeloaders because we were too lazy to micromanage recruitment. Every argument since stems from that. What Dorm did for the alliance is really a moot point, everyone who didn't want them in the first place is using the opportunity to say "I told you so" now that GD has kindly drawn attention to himself. GD is really just an allegory for the problems we couldn't fix.
Pnuka GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:12:00 - [150] TlDR version Dorm puts up two outposts, has more sov holding poses than everyone else, adequate pvp participation, and has less moons than doom. Doom and co flailing about mentioning badly fitted ships.



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