Originally by: Cosmar

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Since all this happens in lowsec space i don't see any reason why RP alliances can't just take part in fights without actually being faction alligned (in gameplay terms).

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Originally by: Pantaloon McPants

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guys from alliance a - leave your alliance and join corp a - then join ccps rp alliance a

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Originally by: Cailais

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Originally by: Cpt Constantinus

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No, we just expected to be able to participate in FW without having to leave our alliance.

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Its a case of join FW for small scale pvp with empire level rewards, or stay in an Alliance and conduct large scale pvp with .0 level rewards. You'll just have to choose, you cant have both.

C.

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Originally by: Swamp Ziro

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Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 16/05/2008 15:11:40

Originally by: Cailais

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Why not roll up your alliance membership into ONE corp: heck call the corp Vigilia Valeria. There you go - problem solved no?

C.

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this.

I see where CVA is coming from and I guess I understand their issues, but any empire RP entity has no excuse not to just reorganize into a single corporation and enroll. So what, the alliance "Vigila Valeria" will become the corp Vigila Valeria is that such a big deal

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Originally by: Cailais

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Originally by: Rodj Blake

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Here's another problem...

PIE has over the years fought wars against a lot of different enemies.

These enemies haven't just been Minmatars, but have also included various anarchist, blooder, Sansha and non-RP pirate groups.

In fact, three of our current war enemies have no affiliation to the Minmatars.

If we're forced to dissolve our alliance and join the FW militia, we will lose the ability to go to war against corps and alliances who are anti-Amarrian but don't like the Minnies much either.

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Brilliant! No doubt youre role playing out this serious dilema as I type?

Whats the greater threat? The subversive elements of anti-amarrians?! The minmater?!

Seriously - you do actually RP dont you?

C.

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Originally by: Cailais

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Cool your annoyed. And seriously I can see why, and you do have my sympathy (Ive even proposed a solution to the problem on features and ideas forum). But how will your character Rodj Blake feel?

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Originally by: M'ing Pai

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You all want to roleplay? Here's some roleplay for you.

For you CVA chaps, you have no room to complain. You assumed a mandate that didn't exist, claiming Providence in the name of the Amarrian Emperor. I have a news flash for you: that mandate never existed. I don't recall ever reading a press release, and a brief perusal of the archives proves my memory isn't shaky one wit. The Emperor never asked you to do what you've done. You just did it as an excuse to fulfill your own selfish ambition and greed.

Now you've set yourself up as an extension of the Empire when in reality, you're no such thing. You're a group of Amarrian nationalists that took the law into your own hands without Imperial sanction. When a REAL Imperial mandate finally comes, you have a choice: either abandon your delusions of grandeur and join the fight for the Empire you claim to hold dear, or hold on to the insane notion that you're doing what your beloved Emperor wishes.

You have no letter of marque, and no Imperial backing. You never have.

A privateer without a letter of marque is in reality...

... a PIRATE.

Funny how that works.

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Originally by: M'ing Pai

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When you have an intelligent objection to the obvious fact that what they've done is more about their own interests and NOT the Emperor's (as is evident from their now copious tear-filled objections to being asked to place their Emperor's interests above their own), come out with it. Until then, you're just spewing hot air.

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Originally by: CCP Dionysus

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Originally by: Rodj Blake

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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 17/05/2008 15:28:52
So it sounds as though alliances will be able to war-dec the militias.

Interesting.

Although that does raise the question of why alliances should be prevented from signing up for FW when they'll be able to cause as much mayhem simply by declaring war.

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Personal opinion - nothing to do with game design etc etc.

The factions claim sov over systems, and are asking for people to help defend their own sov systems... Why on earth would they trust anyone else who is trying to gain sov over systems as well?

Bing in an alliance is effectively declaring to concord that you (as an entity) want to start claiming systems as "yours". It makes a kind of sense that the Empires will not be asking their competitors to help them...

Just my opinion - dont take this as anything from design...

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Originally by: Arlenna Molatov

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If anyone here listened to the live Dve Blog.... the main reason they DONT want to let alliances in on one side or the other is because they dont want to have 1000's of playes throw their support to one side right off the bat.

They don't want blob tactics. They wanted to control...to some extent, the size of engagements to try to keep it a little more even fights, not 800vs400.

And I totally agree with that!

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Originally by: cal nereus

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Edit: A problem that springs to mind though is we might end up seeing large-scale alliance-quality PvP brought into Faction Warfare. CCP seems to want the exact opposite: small gang fights.

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Originally by: Hober Hardin

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CVA want to join FW as an alliance, this places them as a bigger entity than the Imperial Armaments Corporation or the Amarr Navy Corporation.

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Originally by: Tatsue Nuko

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Originally by: Arkady Sadik

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I doubt that the complexes will tell you "sorry, you're not in the right faction, stay out."

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I hope to find this confirmed on SiSi, but there is a pretty serious problem with it:

If we hop into an FW plex to **** over some Amarrians or something, and we are not "officially" in FW, they are faced with a pretty nasty situation where they either have to sit quietly and wait while we position ourselves perfectly within that plex to murder them, OR accept security status hits through firing first (since they'll know we are there to kill them).

I mean, they could potentially find themselves barred from entering their own empire's high-sec because they were fighting for that empire in FW. That's a pretty serious problem. (But since we haven't seen it on SiSi yet I grant it is possible that it isn't, f.ex if there is a mechanic that voids the normal sec hits if the combat takes place in such a plex. But even then, they'd face the same issue if they try to stop us before we get to the key location, which kinda makes sense to do.)

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