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Major Death Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:16:00 - [1] What a sad day for EVE, as CCP freeze the RP alliances out of faction warfare. No more RP events unless your part of the WOW in Space club. My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;) CCP say 'Shut up about bugs and eat your eye candy!'
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:16:00 - [2] --------------- Originally by: CCP Prism X Hey I have an idea: "Let's not endure any more of your spam for the weekend!" Enjoy your time away from our forums.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:17:00 - [3] Well, it's not like RP Alliances need their hands holding to PvP, is it? -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Asestorian Domination. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:18:00 - [4] What the hell is this "WoW in space" bull**? Why is it impossible for people to understand that this system is nothing like anything WoW has? Also, I imagine that RP alliances will be a bit miffed, but at the end of the day CCP have to implement things how they can. There's a chance that alliances will be accommodated some time in the future once CCP see how things pan out with their current system. --- Quote:** Welcome to EVE, a PvP game where people are - shockingly - allowed to PvP as much as they like.
Silvana Kor'ah	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:18:00 - [5] Originally by: Major Death What a sad day for EVE, as CCP freeze the RP alliances out of faction warfare. why is that?
Caiman Graystock Quantum of Solace	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:19:00 - [6] RP alliance is just a bunch of RP corps. How is a bunch of RP corps banding together under the alliance of one NPC faction and actually being directly involved with it bad? It's a better situation for RP corps.
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:19:00 - [7] Edited by: Amastat on 15/05/2008 22:19:30 Originally by: James Lyrus Well, it's not like RP Alliances need their hands holding to PvP, is it? We had RP allaiances? RP community isn't super huge, granted there is some big RP alliances and corps but they make up only a fraction fot he entire EVE playerbase don't they? If you ask me, I don't see why FW wouldn't give them more tools tbh. Doesn't this create a official and coordinated effort for RP warfare? ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
Asestorian Domination. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:33:00 - [8] Originally by: Amastat Edited by: Amastat on 15/05/2008 22:19:30 Originally by: James Lyrus Well, it's not like RP Alliances need their hands holding to PvP, is it? We had RP allaiances? Yeah. CVA comes to mind as quite a powerful group, and an RP alliance to boot. Quote: If you ask me, I don't see why FW wouldn't give them more tools tbh. Doesn't this create a official and coordinated effort for RP warfare? I may be misunderstanding this but I am reading it as you asking why FW doesn't give more for RP alliances (other option is of course that you mean that FW already does give plenty to RP alliances). In my opinion this was simply a choice made by CCP to help simplify, and therefore decrease potential problems, the release of FW. --- Quote: Welcome to EVE, a PvP game where people are - shockingly - allowed to PvP as much as they like.
Maidel Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Asestorian Yeah. CVA comes to mind as quite a powerful group, and an RP alliance to boot. CVA to my knowledge, is the only 'rp' alliance that holds Soverenty in any meaningful way. However, we are the tip of the ice berge in terms of 'rp' alliances. PIE, VV, Usha'khan, EM, Delictum and thats the ones i can think of off the top of my head (and i know bugger all about the gallente/ caldari side of things) For us to all join in - and we bloody well should be joining in - we been fighting this exact war for 5 years now! We would all have to leave our alliances and join the faction alliance. Well thats bad enough for all those alliances - they have to abandon their history, their identiy and everything they have built in order to carry on fighting the war they have fought for 5 years. CVA would have to abandon an entire region, 100s of pos, 8 stations billions and billions of invested isk - just to let us play the game we been waiting for for 5 years. Come on CCP! Sort this mess out.
Spoon Thumb Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:44:00 - [10] Well I think the point is that CCP just didn't want any 0.0 'ers to come in and trash factional warfare. Sadly being in an alliance does not necessarily make you a random 0.0'er with no interest in roleplay and the Eve factions, so they are the ones losing out
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:47:00 - [11] Originally by: Maidel Originally by: Asestorian Yeah. CVA comes to mind as quite a powerful group, and an RP alliance to boot. CVA to my knowledge, is the only 'rp' alliance that holds Soverenty in any meaningful way. However, we are the tip of the ice berge in terms of 'rp' alliances. PIE, VV, Usha'khan, EM, Delictum and thats the ones i can think of off the top of my head (and i know bugger all about the gallente/ caldari side of things) For us to all join in - and we bloody well should be joining in - we been fighting this exact war for 5 years now! We would all have to leave our alliances and join the faction alliance. Well thats bad enough for all those alliances - they have to abandon their history, their identiy and everything they have built in order to carry on fighting the war they have fought for 5 years. CVA would have to abandon an entire region, 100s of pos, 8 stations billions and billions of invested isk - just to let us play the game we been waiting for for 5 years. Come on CCP! Sort this mess out. Or just create a CVA-affiliated para-military corporation that members of CVA could join, and have it act as a liason between CVA and the Amarr Militia? --------------- Originally by: CCP Prism X Hey I have an idea: "Let's not endure any more of your spam for the weekend!" Enjoy your time away from our forums.
Maidel Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:47:00 - [12] All they had to do was make the penalty extreme - eg once you have chosen your side you are KOS perminately in high sec space for the opposing factions, cant use their agents and generally make it a bad idea to get involved unless you really want to.
Sally Bestonge GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:47:00 - [13] Originally by: Spoon Thumb Well I think the point is that CCP just didn't want any 0.0 'ers to come in and trash factional warfare. Sadly being in an alliance does not necessarily make you a random 0.0'er with no interest in roleplay and the Eve factions, so they are the ones losing out well i think that would be the best part going in and trashing their faces.
Genevieve Bluecoat PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:47:00 - [14] Originally by: Thanos Draicon Originally by: Maidel Originally by: Asestorian Yeah. CVA comes to mind as quite a powerful group, and an RP alliance to boot. CVA to my knowledge, is the only 'rp' alliance that holds Soverenty in any meaningful way. However, we are the tip of the ice berge in terms of 'rp' alliances. PIE, VV, Usha'khan, EM, Delictum and thats the ones i can think of off the top of my head (and i know bugger all about the gallente/ caldari side of things) For us to all join in - and we bloody well should be joining in - we been fighting this exact war for 5 years now! We would all have to leave our alliances and join the faction alliance. Well thats bad enough for all those alliances - they have to abandon their history, their identiy and everything they have built in order to carry on fighting the war they have fought for 5 years. CVA would have to abandon an entire region, 100s of pos, 8 stations billions and billions of invested isk - just to let us play the game we been waiting for for 5 years. Come on CCP! Sort this mess out. Or just create a CVA-affiliated para-military corporation that members of CVA could join, and have it act as a liason between CVA and the Amarr Militia? Yes Corp hopping is a good mechanic.
Maidel Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:49:00 - [15] Edited by: Maidel on 15/05/2008 22:49:24 Originally by: Thanos Draicon [Or just create a CVA-affiliated para-military corporation that members of CVA could join, and have it act as a liason between CVA and the Amarr Militia? Why - why should we have to meta game just to play. It makes no sense - the empire goes to war and PIE sits there saying 'sorry, not our fight...' This factional warefare was 'aimed' at roleplayers - its been promised to us for years - why 'ban' us from taking part now?
Aureleus Thaen	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:50:00 - [16] How hard would it be game mechanics wise for CCP to flag the Big RP alliances and have the conflicts between them generate FW points?
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:51:00 - [17] Originally by: Maidel Edited by: Maidel on 15/05/2008 22:49:24 Originally by: Thanos Draicon [Or just create a CVA-affiliated para-military corporation that members of CVA could join, and have it act as a liason between CVA and the Amarr Militia? Why - why should we have to meta game just to play. It makes no sense - the empire goes to war and PIE sits there saying 'sorry, not our fight...' This factional warefare was 'aimed' at roleplayers - its been promised to us for years - why 'ban' us from taking part now? But why don't you just set the opposing faction corporation to -10, then scan down the complexes or join with a gang of FW Militia players? --------------- Originally by: CCP Prism X Hey I have an idea: "Let's not endure any more of your spam for the weekend!" Enjoy your time away from our forums.
Haverloth Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:55:00 - [18] Originally by: Caiman Graystock RP alliance is just a bunch of RP corps. How is a bunch of RP corps banding together under the alliance of one NPC faction and actually being directly involved with it bad? It's a better situation for RP corps. Some of us RP alliances - -VV- and PIE - are "pure" - that is, we are Amarr only. This is in line with Amarrian PF and in Amarrian RP style. We do not wish to fight with the impure - that is, nonAmarrians. We fly Amarrian ships only - hence the "Golden Fleet". We have zero intention of changing a policy that has served well for 5-odd years. ____________________ http://1pg.vigilia-valeria.org
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216 San Matari.	Posted - 2008.05.15 22:56:00 - [19] Originally by: Thanos Draicon Originally by: Maidel Edited by: Maidel on 15/05/2008 22:49:24 Originally by: Thanos Draicon [Or just create a CVA-affiliated para-military corporation that members of CVA could join, and have it act as a liason between CVA and the Amarr Militia? Why - why should we have to meta game just to play. It makes no sense - the empire goes to war and PIE sits there saying 'sorry, not our fight...' This factional warefare was 'aimed' at roleplayers - its been promised to us for years - why 'ban' us from taking part now? But why don't you just set the opposing faction corporation to -10, then scan down the complexes or join with a gang of FW Militia players? Think before you post. Your ideas are terrible. San Matari Official forums
Daelorn Perkone	Posted - 2008.05.15 23:03:00 - [20] Originally by: Genevieve Bluecoat Originally by: Thanos Draicon Originally by: Maidel Originally by: Asestorian Yeah. CVA comes to mind as quite a powerful group, and an RP alliance to boot. CVA to my knowledge, is the only 'rp' alliance that holds Soverenty in any meaningful way. However, we are the tip of the ice berge in terms of 'rp' alliances. PIE, VV, Usha'khan, EM, Delictum and thats the ones i can think of off the top of my head (and i know bugger all about the gallente/ caldari side of things) For us to all join in - and we bloody well should be joining in - we been fighting this exact war for 5 years now! We would all have to leave our alliances and join the faction alliance. Well thats bad enough for all those alliances - they have to abandon their history, their identiy and everything they have built in order to carry on fighting the war they have fought for 5 years. CVA would have to abandon an entire region, 100s of pos, 8 stations billions and billions of invested isk - just to let us play the game we been waiting for for 5 years. Come on CCP! Sort this mess out. Or just create a CVA-affiliated para-military corporation that members of CVA could join, and have it act as a liason between CVA and the Amarr Militia? Yes Corp hopping is a good mechanic. Yes because switching one corp to try another aspect of the game is really corp hopping
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2008.05.15 23:05:00 - [21] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Originally by: Thanos Draicon Originally by: Maidel Edited by: Maidel on 15/05/2008 22:49:24 Originally by: Thanos Draicon [Or just create a CVA-affiliated para-military corporation that members of CVA could join, and have it act as a liason between CVA and the Amarr Militia? Why - why should we have to meta game just to play. It makes no sense - the empire goes to war and PIE sits there saying 'sorry, not our fight...' This factional warefare was 'aimed' at roleplayers - its been promised to us for years - why 'ban' us from taking part now? But why don't you just set the opposing faction corporation to -10, then scan down the complexes or join with a gang of FW Militia players? Think before you post. Your ideas are terrible. Answer the question and I'll go away. --------------- Originally by: CCP Prism X Hey I have an idea: "Let's not endure any more of your spam for the weekend!" Enjoy your time away from our forums.
Durao Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.05.15 23:08:00 - [22] Factional warfare is a stepping stone toward alliance 0.0 warfare. Let's keep that in mind. The alliances already have their own big wars to fight.
Maidel Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.15 23:09:00 - [23] Edited by: Maidel on 15/05/2008 23:09:34 Originally by: Thanos Draicon [quoteThink before you post. Your ideas are terrible. Answer the question and I'll go away. Ok - because that will only result in ganks - it wont influence the outcomes of the battles - we ont be able to run the missions - only support others doing it. From an amarr RP perspective - that is quite frankly a disgusting thing to do. Also - part of it takes place in highsec - so no worky there either. Also - why should we have to repeatedly take sec hits to participate?
Cailais Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.05.15 23:09:00 - [24] What do you want to be? Loyal 'nationalists' finally allowed to serve your race with the implicit approval of its (npc) leaders? OR Independant Corporations/Alliances who have assumed that you speak for and act on behalf of billions of souls? You cant be both. C. A new look at Local - IDEA
Maidel Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.15 23:11:00 - [25] Originally by: Cailais What do you want to be? Loyal 'nationalists' finally allowed to serve your race with the implicit approval of its (npc) leaders? OR Independant Corporations/Alliances who have assumed that you speak for and act on behalf of billions of souls? You cant be both. C. Ok - I would agree with you if this was a new game, set up from the begining in this fashion. But its not - people would be throwing away 5 years of corporate and alliance history now.
Spoon Thumb Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.15 23:16:00 - [26] Originally by: Cailais You cant be both. Well I think this is the point. You can't be both involved in FW and 0.0 <tinfoil> unless you create more alts so CCP get more money from you </tinfoil>
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2008.05.15 23:17:00 - [27] Originally by: Maidel Ok - because that will only result in ganks - it wont influence the outcomes of the battles - we ont be able to run the missions - only support others doing it. How will you not be influencing the outcomes of battles? First of all, you can prevent reinforcements from reaching the front lines of battle. Second of all, you can still participate in the ability to capture and hold control points as long as you have one member of the faction corporation present. I don't see this as a particularly high barrier of entry. Quote: Also - part of it takes place in highsec - so no worky there either. Part of the PvP combat - not directly related to capturing space - will occur in highsec, which is no different than a war-dec. The meat of the system, i.e. conquerable space, will take place in low-sec. You can participate in that. Quote: Also - why should we have to repeatedly take sec hits to participate? The same reason you take sec hits to fight pirates in low-sec, I imagine. Granted it's not an optimal position, but how is this any worse than it is currently? --------------- Originally by: CCP Prism X Hey I have an idea: "Let's not endure any more of your spam for the weekend!" Enjoy your time away from our forums.
Ryas Nia Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.05.15 23:23:00 - [28] Originally by: Cailais What do you want to be? Loyal 'nationalists' finally allowed to serve your race with the implicit approval of its (npc) leaders? OR Independant Corporations/Alliances who have assumed that you speak for and act on behalf of billions of souls? You cant be both. C. First real argument i have seen, but it still sucks. Some of these alliances are well known, where as the member corps are not. My previous alliance Fimbulwinter would lose its entire identity to play in faction warfare and that makes me sad. I spent a lot of time and effort building logo's and working on that alliance, we have been maintaining it for several mths now even though its more or less dead. we kept it open for the one or two remaining members in hopes that once faction warfare came out we could restart it and do what we did best, empire terrorism. Now it looks like that wont be an option :(
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2008.05.15 23:24:00 - [29] Edited by: Thanos Draicon on 15/05/2008 23:25:44 Originally by: Maidel To explain my point: 1) at the moment both pirate and 'pirate hunter' take sec hits in low sec. If we are unable to join the factional warfare the people we are hunting wont take sec hits, but we will - thats where the unfairness will be. What makes you think that a member of a FW corporation will be able to open fire on a non-member without taking a security status hit? Quote: 2) What ever part takes place in high sec if it involves any form of combat - we cant take part. Fair point, but what how much does this really affect you? Based on the live dev blog the vast majority of combat will be going on in low-sec due to the fact that the buffed faction police will make it difficult to roam a hostile faction's high-sec looking for targets. Quote: 3) I think you are missing my point - my problem is that we will be completely unable to instegate anything - we would only be able to support - which is completely pointless imo. Then don't participate and you will be no worse off than before. --------------- Originally by: CCP Prism X Hey I have an idea: "Let's not endure any more of your spam for the weekend!" Enjoy your time away from our forums.
Maidel Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.15 23:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Batwigg Originally by: Maidel 3) I think you are missing my point - my problem is that we will be completely unable to instegate anything - we would only be able to support - which is completely pointless imo. So leave your alliance, create a CVA holding corp, and put "PROUD MEMBER OF CVA" or something into your bio, and create a chat channel. Just stop whining about it. The development of the game does not revolve around you. So adapt. Great - SO i have to leave all of my responsibitlies in corp, leave all of my friends I have flown with for 4 years. Great.

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