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Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.16 19:26:00 - [211] Originally by: kworld how pathetic, this game doesnt evolve around you. The game certainly doesn't, though roleplayers were most certainly given indication that faction warfare might.
Sykosys Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.16 19:28:00 - [212] Originally by: kworld Originally by: Sykosys Originally by: kworld Edited by: kworld on 16/05/2008 19:19:20 Well said Ashar KorAzor and to the people that are crying about it you all need to stop now! how pathetic, this game doesnt evolve around you. You didnt read her entire post Do you RP KWorld? Are you going to sign up for a Faction when this comes up to join in the faction wars? Do you care about this change? I am not sure what i will be doing but complaining about it here isnt going to change anything my friend. Why are you arguing then?
kworld Gallente modro CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.05.16 19:29:00 - [213] Edited by: kworld on 16/05/2008 19:31:58 i have edited my post above.
Sykosys Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.16 19:32:00 - [214] We know for a fact that only corps not in alliances can join. This is the problem. This is what this entire thread is about. I am the CEO of my corp in UK, I cannot go quit and join another corp to just join in this FW. I am not going to take my corp out of UK to do this. There is a reason we are an alliance to begin with. This is why alot of the RP alliances here are upset.
kworld Gallente modro CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.05.16 19:35:00 - [215] Originally by: Sykosys We know for a fact that only corps not in alliances can join. This is the problem. This is what this entire thread is about. I am the CEO of my corp in UK, I cannot go quit and join another corp to just join in this FW. I am not going to take my corp out of UK to do this. There is a reason we are an alliance to begin with. This is why alot of the RP alliances here are upset. Yep i see your point but you dont have to join fw so lets say ccp doesnt impelment fw yuo dont get to join in it or lets say they do implement it you have a choice to join fw or not so what is the prob the only prob i see is losing control over a corporation.
Bad Harlequin Minmatar Chiroptera Factor	Posted - 2008.05.16 19:41:00 - [216] Originally by: kworld Originally by: Sykosys We know for a fact that only corps not in alliances can join. This is the problem. This is what this entire thread is about. I am the CEO of my corp in UK, I cannot go quit and join another corp to just join in this FW. I am not going to take my corp out of UK to do this. There is a reason we are an alliance to begin with. This is why alot of the RP alliances here are upset. Yep i see your point but you dont have to join fw so lets say ccp doesnt impelment fw yuo dont get to join in it or lets say they do implement it you have a choice to join fw or not so what is the prob the only prob i see is losing control over a corporation. sigh. maybe i can say it in a way you can understand: i dunno why u complaining so much about ppl being upset lol since it doesnt affect u why can u say other ppl cant be upset about losing out on something they spent years ebing told was going to be for them so the prob is it maeks no sens to be spending years fightin fr an ideal and then when everyone else starts really fighting for it you can't because you already are. OKAY??!
kworld Gallente modro CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.05.16 19:45:00 - [217] Originally by: Bad Harlequin Originally by: kworld Originally by: Sykosys We know for a fact that only corps not in alliances can join. This is the problem. This is what this entire thread is about. I am the CEO of my corp in UK, I cannot go quit and join another corp to just join in this FW. I am not going to take my corp out of UK to do this. There is a reason we are an alliance to begin with. This is why alot of the RP alliances here are upset. Yep i see your point but you dont have to join fw so lets say ccp doesnt impelment fw yuo dont get to join in it or lets say they do implement it you have a choice to join fw or not so what is the prob the only prob i see is losing control over a corporation. sigh. maybe i can say it in a way you can understand: i dunno why u complaining so much about ppl being upset lol since it doesnt affect u why can u say other ppl cant be upset about losing out on something they spent years ebing told was going to be for them so the prob is it maeks no sens to be spending years fightin fr an ideal and then when everyone else starts really fighting for it you can't because you already are. OKAY??! so because it isnt fare for you it shouldnt be implented for new players is that what you are saying?
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.16 19:46:00 - [218] Originally by: kworld what is the prob the only prob i see is losing control over a corporation. The "prob" is that CCP is introducing a feature that was aimed at improving roleplay across the board for Eve...a feature that ironically demands roleplayers drop the organizational identity they've forged for years (in lieu of CCP dedication to roleplay content!) For a lot of roleplayers, consistency is the essence of roleplay. For a lot of roleplayers, organizational identity is easily as important as individual identity. The CVA, after years of claiming to stand ready against any threat to the Empire, is now unable to fight a very direct threat to the Empire to be introduced when the expansion hits. Beyond accepting dozens of sec hits a day and becoming outlaws. Which goes against the consistency and organizational identity of CVA.
Sykosys Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.16 19:51:00 - [219] Edited by: Sykosys on 16/05/2008 19:52:31 Originally by: kworld Edited by: kworld on 16/05/2008 19:46:05 Originally by: Bad Harlequin Yep i see your point but you dont have to join fw so lets say ccp doesnt impelment fw yuo dont get to join in it or lets say they do implement it you have a choice to join fw or not so what is the prob the only prob i see is losing control over a corporation. sigh. maybe i can say it in a way you can understand: i dunno why u complaining so much about ppl being upset lol since it doesnt affect u why can u say other ppl cant be upset about losing out on something they spent years ebing told was going to be for them so the prob is it maeks no sens to be spending years fightin fr an ideal and then when everyone else starts really fighting for it you can't because you already are. OKAY??! so because it isnt fare for you it shouldnt be implented for new players is that what you are saying? Life isnt fare. Ummmmm UK, CVA, VV, EM, PIE were the ones who were fighting FOR this change. Now that its here we cant even enjoy it properly. Edit: For instance your trying to get something for your computer. You call the company and ask them to make you a product. They say they are working on it and will tell you when its ready. They call you and say its ready, but it wont work for your computer.
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216 San Matari.	Posted - 2008.05.16 19:56:00 - [220] Originally by: Bad Harlequin Originally by: kworld Originally by: Sykosys We know for a fact that only corps not in alliances can join. This is the problem. This is what this entire thread is about. I am the CEO of my corp in UK, I cannot go quit and join another corp to just join in this FW. I am not going to take my corp out of UK to do this. There is a reason we are an alliance to begin with. This is why alot of the RP alliances here are upset. Yep i see your point but you dont have to join fw so lets say ccp doesnt impelment fw yuo dont get to join in it or lets say they do implement it you have a choice to join fw or not so what is the prob the only prob i see is losing control over a corporation. sigh. maybe i can say it in a way you can understand: i dunno why u complaining so much about ppl being upset lol since it doesnt affect u why can u say other ppl cant be upset about losing out on something they spent years ebing told was going to be for them so the prob is it maeks no sens to be spending years fightin fr an ideal and then when everyone else starts really fighting for it you can't because you already are. OKAY??! lol San Matari Official forums
Ashina Sito Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.05.16 19:57:00 - [221] While not completely on topic it's close enough. What about NPC corps? Ashina is part of CAS. She will not leave CAS. As things stand she would have to leave CAS to participate in FW. End result, no participation. FW should be a great way for new players to get to see a little PvP action yet they must abandon their respective noob corps, and all the help they provide, simply to check FW out. Not good, not good at all.
Haverloth Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.05.16 20:16:00 - [222] Originally by: kworld I will be trying it out and look forward to it and i am glad that ccp is trying. But complaining about it here isnt going to change anything my friend got to try it before complaining, it could be brilliant for all we know. It could be brilliant but not for the RP alliances that wish to remain together under the flags they have flown for years. This much is established because the RP alliances will not be allowed to participate without breaking up. ____________________ http://1pg.vigilia-valeria.org
Cailais Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.05.16 20:21:00 - [223] Originally by: Haverloth Originally by: kworld I will be trying it out and look forward to it and i am glad that ccp is trying. But complaining about it here isnt going to change anything my friend got to try it before complaining, it could be brilliant for all we know. It could be brilliant but not for the RP alliances that wish to remain together under the flags they have flown for years. This much is established because the RP alliances will not be allowed to participate without breaking up. A quick question: Should the 'RP Alliances' be granted a special exception in order to allow them to participate? If yes: How will you determine what alliances meet the criteria of being an 'RP Alliance' If you believe it should be open to all Alliances how accessible do you believe factional warfare will be for low income, low skill point players when the mega-alliances move down from .0 for a few days factional warring? C. A new look at Local - IDEA
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.16 20:25:00 - [224] Originally by: Cailais If you believe it should be open to all Alliances how accessible do you believe factional warfare will be for low income, low skill point players when the mega-alliances move down from .0 for a few days factional warring? Who knows, could be the answer to all the cries of stagnant 0.0. I think it's a crazy man who thinks that the 0.0 powers aren't going to find a way to get their peice of the pie anyway.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2008.05.16 20:51:00 - [225] "WOW in Space" so this makes eve... starcraft rpg? - putting the gist back into logistics
M'ing Pai The Really Awesome Players Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.16 20:53:00 - [226] You all want to roleplay? Here's some roleplay for you. For you CVA chaps, you have no room to complain. You assumed a mandate that didn't exist, claiming Providence in the name of the Amarrian Emperor. I have a news flash for you: that mandate never existed. I don't recall ever reading a press release, and a brief perusal of the archives proves my memory isn't shaky one wit. The Emperor never asked you to do what you've done. You just did it as an excuse to fulfill your own selfish ambition and greed. Now you've set yourself up as an extension of the Empire when in reality, you're no such thing. You're a group of Amarrian nationalists that took the law into your own hands without Imperial sanction. When a REAL Imperial mandate finally comes, you have a choice: either abandon your delusions of grandeur and join the fight for the Empire you claim to hold dear, or hold on to the insane notion that you're doing what your beloved Emperor wishes. You have no letter of marque, and no Imperial backing. You never have. A privateer without a letter of marque is in reality... ... a PIRATE. Funny how that works.
Haverloth Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.05.16 20:57:00 - [227] Originally by: Cailais A quick question: Should the 'RP Alliances' be granted a special exception in order to allow them to participate? If yes: How will you determine what alliances meet the criteria of being an 'RP Alliance' If you believe it should be open to all Alliances how accessible do you believe factional warfare will be for low income, low skill point players when the mega-alliances move down from .0 for a few days factional warring? C. The mega-alliances can already participate with their megacorps so that argument is moot (as an example: GoonFleet, the corp, has more than 2000+ members, more than CVA, -VV-, and PIE put together. They can steamroller whoever they want, and they are allowed to by the mechanics since they are a corp.). There is no valid gameplay reason to keep Alliances out. If a 0.0 Alliance wants to send a megacorp to steamroller everything they can quite easily. It might almost be a good idea to allow Alliances in as then you have a core of veteran PVPers for each side - to prevent any such steamrollering going on, and allowing the newer players a kind of a safety net. Also introduce them to the idea that RP in EVE has been going on since literally day 1. Instead we're going to be made to sit out so that GoonFleet (as an example) can join and spam FW with their 2k+ pilots. ____________________ http://1pg.vigilia-valeria.org
Bad Harlequin Minmatar Chiroptera Factor	Posted - 2008.05.16 21:00:00 - [228] Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 16/05/2008 21:00:56 my esteemed foes in the CVA, allow me: To the aforementioned tro^H^H^H M'ing - what have you been smoking and is it allowed in 1.0 space? You obviously understand nothing of RP, to say nothing of the Amarr background that PF has put into place: they are mandated by their culture and their holy book to "reclaim" all for the Empire and for God. You insensitive clod. And they aren't really &*$?!!ing pirates, ffs. That's getting SO old and tired. And has nothing at all to do with this. But way to attempt to derail the point to push your own agenda, there. You fail.
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.05.16 21:08:00 - [229] This is an expansion for the rest of us, not for the couple dozen guys who currently control 99% of the large-scale PVP in EVE. You can choose to join a faction navy and fight for the Empire, or you can choose to join a 0.0 alliance and fight for your Executor's titan fund. I get it that the leader(s) of alliances want to have their cake and eat it, too -- to play at FW while still having their peons pay taxes and mine veldspar for them. This expansion is going to be very painful for a lot of CEOs and Executors, so it's no wonder so many of them are alt-posting a lot of negative crap. Think about what it means for regular players -- the opportunity to play empire war, with a large team of allies, without having to obey (or become) a CEO. ---------------- [insert signature here]
M'ing Pai The Really Awesome Players Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.16 21:08:00 - [230] Harlequin, get a grip. When the Emperor sets forth a real mandate, and all these self-important pirates err... sovereignty claiming pirate hunters defy the mandate to protect their own interests, who's being loyal here? I am admittedly a pirate, and the Amarr Navy and Ministry of War LOVE me. I come and go as I please. I set foot into CVA space (note I didn't say AMARR space), and I get shot at. Hmmm... When you have an intelligent objection to the obvious fact that what they've done is more about their own interests and NOT the Emperor's (as is evident from their now copious tear-filled objections to being asked to place their Emperor's interests above their own), come out with it. Until then, you're just spewing hot air.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.16 21:10:00 - [231] Originally by: M'ing Pai You all want to roleplay? Here's some roleplay for you. For you CVA chaps, you have no room to complain. You assumed a mandate that didn't exist, claiming Providence in the name of the Amarrian Emperor. I have a news flash for you: that mandate never existed. I don't recall ever reading a press release, and a brief perusal of the archives proves my memory isn't shaky one wit. The Emperor never asked you to do what you've done. You just did it as an excuse to fulfill your own selfish ambition and greed. Now you've set yourself up as an extension of the Empire when in reality, you're no such thing. You're a group of Amarrian nationalists that took the law into your own hands without Imperial sanction. When a REAL Imperial mandate finally comes, you have a choice: either abandon your delusions of grandeur and join the fight for the Empire you claim to hold dear, or hold on to the insane notion that you're doing what your beloved Emperor wishes. You have no letter of marque, and no Imperial backing. You never have. A privateer without a letter of marque is in reality... ... a PIRATE. Funny how that works. So I guess we must all have imagined those Aurora-played imperial officials saying "keep up the good work" over the years then Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.16 21:12:00 - [232] Originally by: M'ing Pai When you have an intelligent objection to the obvious fact that what they've done is more about their own interests and NOT the Emperor's (as is evident from their now copious tear-filled objections to being asked to place their Emperor's interests above their own), come out with it. Until then, you're just spewing hot air. Your knowledge of PF is awesome there. Really awesome. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.05.16 21:14:00 - [233] BTW: The use of "roleplay" by CVA and U'K types is a scam, they do not bear the torch of roleplaying in EVE, nor does their wealth and age give them a right to special privileges in a roleplay-enhancing expansion. Just because somebody roleplays a one-dimensional lore-based character, and refers to himself in the third person, doesn't mean he's more of a roleplayer than I. I play Joe Starbreaker, capsuleer, and soon-to-be enlistee of the Amarr Navy. ---------------- [insert signature here]
M'ing Pai The Really Awesome Players Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.16 21:14:00 - [234] Originally by: Rodj Blake So I guess we must all have imagined those Aurora-played imperial officials saying "keep up the good work" over the years then Congratulating you for your personal efforts in bringing some semblence of "culture" to a backwater isn't the same as an Imperial mandate. Asking you to leave your alliance to join the Imperial militia to fight the Emperor's enemies IS. Kick and scream all you want. In the end I am afraid it will matter little. It sounds to me like all of you "loyalists" have a difficult decision to make.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.16 21:16:00 - [235] Originally by: M'ing Pai You all want to roleplay? Here's some roleplay for you. For you CVA chaps, you have no room to complain. You assumed a mandate that didn't exist, claiming Providence in the name of the Amarrian Emperor. I have a news flash for you: that mandate never existed. I don't recall ever reading a press release, and a brief perusal of the archives proves my memory isn't shaky one wit. The Emperor never asked you to do what you've done. You just did it as an excuse to fulfill your own selfish ambition and greed. Now you've set yourself up as an extension of the Empire when in reality, you're no such thing. You're a group of Amarrian nationalists that took the law into your own hands without Imperial sanction. When a REAL Imperial mandate finally comes, you have a choice: either abandon your delusions of grandeur and join the fight for the Empire you claim to hold dear, or hold on to the insane notion that you're doing what your beloved Emperor wishes. You have no letter of marque, and no Imperial backing. You never have. A privateer without a letter of marque is in reality... ... a PIRATE. Funny how that works. this. and they aren't pirate but terrorist. and actully these allainces ahve been in the news before, and the RP always had the faction saying "what? them? no no we don't support thier actions at all" the idea being they did but would never fess up to it becuase they were at peace. you were fighting factional warafare while your side has a cease fire, so sorry.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.16 21:18:00 - [236] Originally by: Bad Harlequin Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 16/05/2008 21:00:56 my esteemed foes in the CVA, allow me: To the aforementioned tro^H^H^H M'ing - what have you been smoking and is it allowed in 1.0 space? You obviously understand nothing of RP, to say nothing of the Amarr background that PF has put into place: they are mandated by their culture and their holy book to "reclaim" all for the Empire and for God. You insensitive clod. And they aren't really &*$?!!ing pirates, ffs. That's getting SO old and tired. And has nothing at all to do with this. But way to attempt to derail the point to push your own agenda, there. You fail. sounds like rouge to me. you were acting on your culture and ignore your commanding officers.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.16 21:20:00 - [237] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: M'ing Pai You all want to roleplay? Here's some roleplay for you. For you CVA chaps, you have no room to complain. You assumed a mandate that didn't exist, claiming Providence in the name of the Amarrian Emperor. I have a news flash for you: that mandate never existed. I don't recall ever reading a press release, and a brief perusal of the archives proves my memory isn't shaky one wit. The Emperor never asked you to do what you've done. You just did it as an excuse to fulfill your own selfish ambition and greed. Now you've set yourself up as an extension of the Empire when in reality, you're no such thing. You're a group of Amarrian nationalists that took the law into your own hands without Imperial sanction. When a REAL Imperial mandate finally comes, you have a choice: either abandon your delusions of grandeur and join the fight for the Empire you claim to hold dear, or hold on to the insane notion that you're doing what your beloved Emperor wishes. You have no letter of marque, and no Imperial backing. You never have. A privateer without a letter of marque is in reality... ... a PIRATE. Funny how that works. So I guess we must all have imagined those Aurora-played imperial officials saying "keep up the good work" over the years then duh, just like how the minmatar republic support the minmatar factions in the great wildlands... however when it comes to press the minmaatr tell ammar that they are terrositis and the minamtar allaince will try to stop them! but they don't ebcuase they hate the ammar. However there is still suppose to be peace so they can't mandate your personal war. However it's still fun to try :) and you'll still be able to, just run into FW areas an dshot people.
Tiberius Maddox	Posted - 2008.05.16 21:21:00 - [238] Real war is not pretty, not clean, and always causes chaos and confusion for organizations and nations -- even those not directly involved. This new war in the EVE universe is going to do the same thing, I think. But it seems some would like a have a clean and tidy war where everything just continues pretty much the same way it always has, but is structured in such a way that people can go "play war" when they get the itch. They want to be able to do all sorts of neat new things, but they also want to protect the status quo they have built. But war doesn't work that way, does it? And so there is going to be confusion, backstabbing, and much swearing and gnashing of teeth. Sounds charming.
Ms lilly	Posted - 2008.05.16 21:21:00 - [239] Edited by: Ms lilly on 16/05/2008 21:21:38 Originally by: Joe Starbreaker This is an expansion for the rest of us, not for the couple dozen guys who currently control 99% of the large-scale PVP in EVE. You can choose to join a faction navy and fight for the Empire, or you can choose to join a 0.0 alliance and fight for your Executor's titan fund. I get it that the leader(s) of alliances want to have their cake and eat it, too -- to play at FW while still having their peons pay taxes and mine veldspar for them. This expansion is going to be very painful for a lot of CEOs and Executors, so it's no wonder so many of them are alt-posting a lot of negative crap. Think about what it means for regular players -- the opportunity to play empire war, with a large team of allies, without having to obey (or become) a CEO. I totaly agree with you.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.16 21:25:00 - [240] The only way this system will be even remotely acceptable is if external alliances can declare wars on the militias. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'

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