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HarderThisTime
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Posted - 2008.05.15 23:27:00 -
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CVA could make it their goal to provide the unbounded ship size systems with a titan. I bet CVA could build one, if they don't already have one.
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Maidel
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.15 23:28:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Thanos Draicon
What makes you think that a member of a FW corporation will be able to open fire on a non-member without taking a security status hit?.
Never said that.
Any time someone outside of FW wants to take part - they will take a sec hit.
Anytime someone inside FW wants to take part - they wont when shooting other people involved.
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Batwigg
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Posted - 2008.05.15 23:31:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Batwigg on 15/05/2008 23:31:20
Originally by: Maidel
Originally by: Batwigg
Originally by: Maidel
3) I think you are missing my point - my problem is that we will be completely unable to instegate anything - we would only be able to support - which is completely pointless imo.
So leave your alliance, create a CVA holding corp, and put "PROUD MEMBER OF CVA" or something into your bio, and create a chat channel.
Just stop whining about it. The development of the game does not revolve around you. So adapt.
Great - SO i have to leave all of my responsibitlies in corp, leave all of my friends I have flown with for 4 years.
Great.
Let me run you through this;
1) CVA member corps leave CVA.
2) Member corps register as FW compatants
3) CVA member corps create a "CVA" channel in game. All members join it
4) All members now put "CVA 4EVAH" into their bio
Voila. You just took part in FW without leaving your friends. There is the matter of your territory in Providence, but you cannot choose to both push the empire's expansion outwards into lawless space while still fighting the war against the Matari. Tough luck, you can't have everything.
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Maidel
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.15 23:31:00 -
[34]
Originally by: HarderThisTime
Do what im gonna do, make a frigate alt, about 2 weeks worth of training, and just go fly around blowing stuff up, getting blown up, and stop being so serious. :P
Be proud CVA you're an RP alliance that can hang with the best of em in real 0.0 space. That is quite and accomplishment.
And CCPS really intention becomes clear...
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Batwigg
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Posted - 2008.05.15 23:32:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Maidel
Originally by: HarderThisTime
Do what im gonna do, make a frigate alt, about 2 weeks worth of training, and just go fly around blowing stuff up, getting blown up, and stop being so serious. :P
Be proud CVA you're an RP alliance that can hang with the best of em in real 0.0 space. That is quite and accomplishment.
And CCPS really intention becomes clear...
Real intention? CCP ISN'T DESIGNING THE GAME TO REVOLVE AROUND ME AND MY FRIENDS, SO THEY MUST HAVE SOME EVIL AGENDA! 
Get over yourself.
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Maidel
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.15 23:33:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Batwigg
1) CVA member corps leave CVA.
2) Member corps register as FW compatants
3) CVA member corps create a "CVA" channel in game. All members join it
4) All members now put "CVA 4EVAH" into their bio
Voila. You just took part in FW without leaving your friends. There is the matter of your territory in Providence, but you cannot choose to both push the empire's expansion outwards into lawless space while still fighting the war against the Matari. Tough luck, you can't have everything.
Why not - its a new thing for Eve in general - why does it have to exclude so many people?
Let us just war dec one of the factions - at least then we could participate, even if we didnt get access to all the new stuff, just the bits that mattered
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Martin Mckenna
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.15 23:36:00 -
[37]
Wow....Typical EVE whine.
CCP have just provided you with an system that means roleplaying is easyer, better and more people are gona be doing it.
AND YOU STILL WHINE?!
Well they aint forcing you to join it so go ******* stay in your alliance for all i care.
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Terror Rising
Death Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2008.05.15 23:36:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Terror Rising on 15/05/2008 23:41:20
Lets face it, we could do without the alliances in this... It is SUPPOSED to be a small step to the big boys club, Ushra'khan should be happy that more RP'ers will be starting the game this way as we know if there were more RP'ers on the minmitar side then Unity would not have been lost.
Can we just stop the big alliances from blobbing 1 part of this game and actually see how it pans out first... Heck, you can even use this as your recruiting ground.. [RP] Personally, I am using my Minmitar RPing (of little slight it is) and helping the Caldari to smash those cowards of the Gallente race (For a fee of course) .... [/RP]
Providence is now owned by the Amarr scum, lets not let them win, when we could be recruiting new null sec players from this opportunity. If you dont want to be in 0.0 space holding alliances then just don't be...
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Maidel
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.15 23:37:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Martin Mckenna
Wow....Typical EVE whine.
CCP have just provided you with an system that means roleplaying is easyer, better and more people are gona be doing it.
AND YOU STILL WHINE?!
Well they aint forcing you to join it so go ******* stay in your alliance for all i care.
No they havent - they have provided people with an easy way into pvp whist EXCULDING pre-existing RP alliances without breaking up everything they have worked on.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
San Matari.
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Posted - 2008.05.15 23:37:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Martin Mckenna
Wow....Typical EVE whine.
CCP have just provided you with an system that means roleplaying is easyer, better and more people are gona be doing it.
AND YOU STILL WHINE?!
Well they aint forcing you to join it so go ******* stay in your alliance for all i care.
Easy to say for someone whose alliance is on the way down. All the RP alliances will outlive the 0.0. capsuleer parvenus.
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Kiviar
Caldari
Vice-Presidential Action Rangers
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Posted - 2008.05.15 23:40:00 -
[41]
Really, from what was listed in the dev blog, FW boils down to two things. A free war-dec, where your oponents are less likley to just hide in stations and a hand-to-hold in lowsec.
Honestly I don't think CVA is going to miss much since they don't need either of these things.
If i were a hardcore pirate, I would just go to these new zones and shoot everything.
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Martin Mckenna
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.15 23:41:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Martin Mckenna
Wow....Typical EVE whine.
CCP have just provided you with an system that means roleplaying is easyer, better and more people are gona be doing it.
AND YOU STILL WHINE?!
Well they aint forcing you to join it so go ******* stay in your alliance for all i care.
Easy to say for someone whose alliance is on the way down. All the RP alliances will outlive the 0.0. capsuleer parvenus.
Well as i said...they aint forcing you to use the system...So dont 
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Anton Marx
Caldari
Warhamsters
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.05.15 23:42:00 -
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Well I really simpathize with CVA and the other roleplaying alliances, but especially CVA. I guess they are really going to face some serious decisions when the expansion hits Tranquility. Will they abandon what they have achieved in their 5-years existence or hold true to their roots and identity as a 0.0 alliance.
Also, I'm LOLing at the TRI papertiger here. Easy for them to bark and mock at 0.0 alliances that have stood the test of time (and are now, admittedly, confined to it) when their own alliance just ate itself from the inside.
Good luck, CVA. I hope you'll find the best solution to this upcoming "identity crisi" ;/
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Terror Rising
Death Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2008.05.15 23:46:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Kiviar
Really, from what was listed in the dev blog, FW boils down to two things. A free war-dec, where your oponents are less likley to just hide in stations and a hand-to-hold in lowsec.
Honestly I don't think CVA is going to miss much since they don't need either of these things.
If i were a hardcore pirate, I would just go to these new zones and shoot everything.
Taking a sec hit with it, but then thats cool as it brings more people to PVP.. Those RPing it won't take the sec hit to concord and they will be flying the cheep ships not caring :) Encouraging PVP FTW.
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Martin Mckenna
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.15 23:47:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Anton Marx
Also, I'm LOLing at the TRI papertiger here. Easy for them to bark and mock at 0.0 alliances that have stood the test of time (and are now, admittedly, confined to it) when their own alliance just ate itself from the inside.
You see we could have stayed active. But TRI just wasnt what it was. I mean it would have turned into an alliance exactly the same as every other 0.0 alliance out there exluding a few.
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.05.15 23:48:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Ryas Nia
Originally by: Cailais
What do you want to be?
Loyal 'nationalists' finally allowed to serve your race with the implicit approval of its (npc) leaders?
OR Independant Corporations/Alliances who have assumed that you speak for and act on behalf of billions of souls?
You cant be both.
C.
First real argument i have seen, but it still sucks. Some of these alliances are well known, where as the member corps are not. My previous alliance Fimbulwinter would lose its entire identity to play in faction warfare and that makes me sad. I spent a lot of time and effort building logo's and working on that alliance, we have been maintaining it for several mths now even though its more or less dead. we kept it open for the one or two remaining members in hopes that once faction warfare came out we could restart it and do what we did best, empire terrorism. Now it looks like that wont be an option :(
wel I didnt say it would be an easy decision. But then isnt that a cause for some great role play?
The angst of a person torn between his loyalty to his adopted Alliance - or to answer the call to arms from his 'nation'?
My point being - the RP Alliances are supposedly full of RPing players - no?
So: faced with an Imperial/Faction decree that the militias (defacto npc alliances) will not be signing on pod pilots who are members of potentially soveriegn claiming Alliances - how would your character react?
What's more important; that you role play your character or that you keep your organisation? If the answer is that your character would stay loyal to your Alliance: so be it.
C.
A new look at Local - IDEA |
Pezzle
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.15 23:59:00 -
[47]
It is a partial mechanic. We have known this was coming for months. Hopefully it is temporary while CCP works out problems with the system.
Some corps created Alliances just to get more war slots, now they have to leave that Alliance to participate in this gameplay? That makes no sense.
I am sure it will be worked out reasonably.
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Tek'a Rain
Gallente
Collegium Mechanicae Holding
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Posted - 2008.05.16 00:04:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Pezzle
It is a partial mechanic. We have known this was coming for months. Hopefully it is temporary while CCP works out problems with the system.
Temporary like the nerfed Gallente Cosmos is temporary.
Like the lack of lvl 5 pirate missions is temporary.
Like all the NPE agents who were "temporarily" away from their desks and unavailable.
etc.. etc..
if you stretch out a long enough time -ine, an Eternity is more or less temporary. Lets be careful about relying on "its half-done, just a temporary release while while monitor it"
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Ryas Nia
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.16 00:08:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Ryas Nia on 16/05/2008 00:12:13
Originally by: Cailais
wel I didnt say it would be an easy decision. But then isnt that a cause for some great role play?
The angst of a person torn between his loyalty to his adopted Alliance - or to answer the call to arms from his 'nation'?
My point being - the RP Alliances are supposedly full of RPing players - no?
So: faced with an Imperial/Faction decree that the militias (defacto npc alliances) will not be signing on pod pilots who are members of potentially soveriegn claiming Alliances - how would your character react?
What's more important; that you role play your character or that you keep your organisation? If the answer is that your character would stay loyal to your Alliance: so be it.
C.
I think my real issue is that CCP promised us RPers faction wars, but this really is just a mechanic to get people who have never pvped to try it out with some safety.
CVA have done something amazing, its an alliance that has been around 5 years, they love RP and would like to play with the game CCP has been saying for years was coming only to find out its really not for them. That sucks. I can find a way around it maybe... but Im not happy that CCP renigged on their promise for faction wars, this from the sound of the dev blog is nothing more than hand holding for carebears and wow like battlegrounds with restrictions on the ships that can access FW complexes.
Also.. the RP stuff. My character and fimbulwinter (the alliance im not in anymore :( ) go hand in hand, yes i give up a LOT of my character having to give up my alliances, even Veto. Ryas has been and always will be a terrorist in the true sense of the word. Fimbulwinter and Veto alliances do that to the T.
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Solusar
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.16 00:12:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Batwigg
Edited by: Batwigg on 15/05/2008 23:31:20
Originally by: Maidel
Originally by: Batwigg
Originally by: Maidel
3) I think you are missing my point - my problem is that we will be completely unable to instegate anything - we would only be able to support - which is completely pointless imo.
So leave your alliance, create a CVA holding corp, and put "PROUD MEMBER OF CVA" or something into your bio, and create a chat channel.
Just stop whining about it. The development of the game does not revolve around you. So adapt.
Great - SO i have to leave all of my responsibitlies in corp, leave all of my friends I have flown with for 4 years.
Great.
Let me run you through this;
1) CVA member corps leave CVA.
2) Member corps register as FW compatants
3) CVA member corps create a "CVA" channel in game. All members join it
4) All members now put "CVA 4EVAH" into their bio
Voila. You just took part in FW without leaving your friends. There is the matter of your territory in Providence, but you cannot choose to both push the empire's expansion outwards into lawless space while still fighting the war against the Matari. Tough luck, you can't have everything.
Why exactly cant we push the empire boundaries outwards into empire space and then respond to any attacks made on the borders of the current empire at the same time?
You are a member of a 3 man corporation so I can understand that you do not understand that people in larger corporations have responsibilities and roles that they cannot simply drop to go and join what would essentially be an alt corporation just to be able to participate in the border wars.
Im not sure its a great analogy but im sure a large 0.0 alliance would be on here complaining if CCP turned around and said that they are not allowed to defend part of their empire because of some arbitrary reason and had to leave the defense of that area to a group of non affiliated mission runners.
I think the complaints are more to do with what everyone envisaged what faction warfare would be, all out warfare between the empires and what it appears it is going to be, just a way for new players and mission runners to get into PvP. If it had been made clear from the start that this was what CCP had in mind then alot of the RP community wouldnt of spent the last few years eagerly looking forward to faction warfare and the large numbers of complaints and simple "wtf?" statements would not be here.
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Masu'di
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2008.05.16 00:19:00 -
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I can see why CCP have done it, but I do sympathise with some of the old RP alliances.
The way I look at it, is an alliance like CVA is the 0.0 vanguard of the Amarr Empire. Perhaps they will have an associated corp that will send troops to fight directly as a regiment, under joint command of the Amarrian empire based military?
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.05.16 00:20:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Ryas Nia
Edited by: Ryas Nia on 16/05/2008 00:12:13
Originally by: Cailais
wel I didnt say it would be an easy decision. But then isnt that a cause for some great role play?
The angst of a person torn between his loyalty to his adopted Alliance - or to answer the call to arms from his 'nation'?
My point being - the RP Alliances are supposedly full of RPing players - no?
So: faced with an Imperial/Faction decree that the militias (defacto npc alliances) will not be signing on pod pilots who are members of potentially soveriegn claiming Alliances - how would your character react?
What's more important; that you role play your character or that you keep your organisation? If the answer is that your character would stay loyal to your Alliance: so be it.
C.
I think my real issue is that CCP promised us RPers faction wars, but this really is just a mechanic to get people who have never pvped to try it out with some safety.
CVA have done something amazing, its an alliance that has been around 5 years, they love RP and would like to play with the game CCP has been saying for years was coming only to find out its really not for them. That sucks. I can find a way around it maybe... but Im not happy that CCP renigged on their promise for faction wars, this from the sound of the dev blog is nothing more than hand holding for carebears and wow like battlegrounds with restrictions on the ships that can access FW complexes.
Also.. the RP stuff. My character and fimbulwinter (the alliance im not in anymore :( ) go hand in hand, yes i give up a LOT of my character having to give up my alliances, even Veto. Ryas has been and always will be a terrorist in the true sense of the word. Fimbulwinter and Veto alliances do that to the T.
Well I disagree on your point regarding WOW battlegrounds - its clear from the live dev blog that you'd be a legitamate War target anywhere not just in a given area. Your opposing factions territory might end up as 'out of bounds' but thats not the same thing at all.
If the RP alliances want to continue their faction v faction war they can still do so utilising the current mechanics, its simply not as easy for them to scale down to FW.
C.
A new look at Local - IDEA |
Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.16 00:23:00 -
[53]
My big first question is can we as an alliance still wardec selected corporations that are choosing to involve themselves with Faction warfare?
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Shadow Joy
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Posted - 2008.05.16 00:31:00 -
[54]
Can't CVA have the best of both worlds?
I don't pretend to be an expert on the alliance, but this thread makes it clear that CVA has 0.0 territory. It's still early in the factional warfare announcement, but I have not seen anything worth giving up territory for.
So why not rotate your member corps in and out of the factional warfare fight?
Rotating troops is a time-honored military practice. It keeps fresh soldiers at the front while giving everyone else a chance to prepare for the fight to come.
Personally, I think it would be a shame if any RP alliance stayed out of this fight. They would bring a wealth of experience and well established supply lines to their cause - along with one asset that will be in short supply for all the fighters who are drawn strictly from Empire space:
Cap ships.
So think about it all you roleplayers. You have a lot to offer factional warfare. All that is asked is you switch your alliance for a short time to fight a cause you believe in against an enemy you want to fight.
Hope to see you on the battlefield.
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KarGard
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Posted - 2008.05.16 00:44:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Jakke Logan
Not allowing alliances to become part of the factions in warfare freezes out the VAST majority of the pvp population in EVE.
How can this possibly be a good thing if you really want this to work or be used?
Considering that they indend it to be used to introduce non pvpers to pvp, I'm not sure that is really an issue.
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Phantasmo
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.16 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Anton Marx
Well I really simpathize with CVA and the other roleplaying alliances, but especially CVA. I guess they are really going to face some serious decisions when the expansion hits Tranquility. Will they abandon what they have achieved in their 5-years existence or hold true to their roots and identity as a 0.0 alliance.
Also, I'm LOLing at the TRI papertiger here. Easy for them to bark and mock at 0.0 alliances that have stood the test of time (and are now, admittedly, confined to it) when their own alliance just ate itself from the inside.
Good luck, CVA. I hope you'll find the best solution to this upcoming "identity crisi" ;/
Indeed. I like CVA a lot and I personally don't think that any pilot should have to abandon their alliance just to partake in the fun and new features of the game, regardless of if it's an RP alliance or a non-rp alliance.
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Jakke Logan
Caldari
F Off And Die
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Posted - 2008.05.16 00:47:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Jakke Logan on 16/05/2008 00:48:06
Originally by: KarGard
Originally by: Jakke Logan
Not allowing alliances to become part of the factions in warfare freezes out the VAST majority of the pvp population in EVE.
How can this possibly be a good thing if you really want this to work or be used?
Considering that they indend it to be used to introduce non pvpers to pvp, I'm not sure that is really an issue.
How does this introduce non pvp'ers to pvp? You are expecting noobs to go charging into lowsec in small gangs to be destroyed by pirate blobs... And exposing them to the SAME thing in highsec?
The PVP in this game already is everywhere if you want to get to it.
Why not bring the alliances in? Why do the empires tolerate huge space empires that rival THEM in size to exist out there without aligning with them?
It's an evolution in the game. My first months in the game was L4 mission running. I got tired of that. I got out into 0.0 to pvp. Most players will do this on their own.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.05.16 00:51:00 -
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What is all the fuss about, what am I missing here, how did they kill RP?
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Jakke Logan
Caldari
F Off And Die
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Posted - 2008.05.16 00:52:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Jakke Logan on 16/05/2008 00:53:16
Originally by: Wendat Huron
What is all the fuss about, what am I missing here, how did they kill RP?
Because if you are in an alliance you can't participate in ANYTHING that this expansion brings.
Which is a truly terrible idea. It almost makes me think that CCP has hired some ex SOE devs, and worse put them in CHARGE of something ;)
Not THAT bad, as I said, I think FW has some good potential... But it's being put into the game half done.
Don't put it into the game until it is complete, where you can have ALLIANCES aligning with the empire factions.
[-FOAD] Corp CEO |
KarGard
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Posted - 2008.05.16 00:52:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Jakke Logan
Edited by: Jakke Logan on 16/05/2008 00:48:06
Originally by: KarGard
Originally by: Jakke Logan
Not allowing alliances to become part of the factions in warfare freezes out the VAST majority of the pvp population in EVE.
How can this possibly be a good thing if you really want this to work or be used?
Considering that they indend it to be used to introduce non pvpers to pvp, I'm not sure that is really an issue.
How does this introduce non pvp'ers to pvp? You are expecting noobs to go charging into lowsec in small gangs to be destroyed by pirate blobs... And exposing them to the SAME thing in highsec?
I don't but CCP does.
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