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Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.05.16 05:54:00 - [1] Hello, I just wanted to point out this oblivious WoW rip-off CCP is currently making: Battlegrounds. As I read info about upcoming "free" expansion, I noticed that .. The confines of settled space cannot contain a war of this scale, causing the fighting to spill over into a new region. Named "Black Rise," this new region contains 49 new star systems and nearly 40 stations, many of which are already sworn to one faction or another. So there we have it. EVE's very own and first BATTLEGROUND. Yay. Time to grind some S4 honor and marks "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Syniztur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.16 05:57:00 - [2] First! /hands u a flame suit -------------------------------------------------- \| Do unto others, before they can do unto you! \| --------------------------------------------------
Hyperforce99 Gallente Infinite Covenant Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.16 05:58:00 - [3] Originally by: Kuolematon Hello, I just wanted to point out this oblivious WoW rip-off CCP is currently making: Battlegrounds. you sir, offend me. EVE-Online will never be like WoW. And it will sertainly not even be similiar to those unbalanced battlegrounds. what your saying in any case can also be translated to any other game. cause well... I mean in UT3 you can shoot, and in EVE you can shoot... OMG EVE RIPPED OFF UT3 (see what I did there) --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:02:00 - [4] I can imagine that changing the current settled empire regions to the system they want to introduce (variable sov based on certain missions etc) will be impossible to do..so i can see the introduction of a new region warranted as long as they integrate it fully so everyone can go there at all times. I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them.
Furious Hawk Caldari Farlight Optic Council	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:08:00 - [5] This thread is epic fail. -------------------------------------------------- Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
Adhamhnon Grenadiers	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:10:00 - [6] Originally by: Kuolematon Hello, I just wanted to point out this oblivious WoW rip-off CCP is currently making: Battlegrounds. As I read info about upcoming "free" expansion, I noticed that .. The confines of settled space cannot contain a war of this scale, causing the fighting to spill over into a new region. Named "Black Rise," this new region contains 49 new star systems and nearly 40 stations, many of which are already sworn to one faction or another. So there we have it. EVE's very own and first BATTLEGROUND. Yay. Time to grind some S4 honor and marks Just when I took my silence spell off my castbar. <sigh> --------------------------------- KSUDruid stole my coffee table. :(
soldieroffortune 258	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:11:00 - [7] uh, fighting isnt only gona occur in the new Black Rise region, in fact that region is for the Caldari - Gallente part of the war only, since the Caldari - Gallente Borders dont have much low sec in between them. All low sec between the Empires is gona be able to be taken over, so actually, all low sec is gona be a battleground, and able to be occupied by other factions
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:12:00 - [8] Well, say what ever you want but business tend to work that if someone gets a very nice and working idea, some other is tend to rip it off. "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Nate D Universal-Corp The Nexus Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:13:00 - [9] The ideas of factional warfare in EVE have been around for far longer than WoW's release to the public. -Nate
Syniztur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:14:00 - [10] Originally by: Kuolematon Well, say what ever you want but business tend to work that if someone gets a very nice and working idea, some other is tend to rip it off. If that be the case, then WoW ripped off the idea from Guild Wars... seeing as how it was doing it before wasn't it? -------------------------------------------------- \| Do unto others, before they can do unto you! \| --------------------------------------------------
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:17:00 - [11] I'm starting to get sick of all that noobs who didn't understand that FW battelzones are COMPLETELY DIFFRENT from wow battlegrounds in pretty all aspects, and trash the forums with this bull**** comparison. Can you PLEASE STFU, PLEASE.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:22:00 - [12] wait wait it's not just for factional warfare, the whole system is full of new agents.. meaning agents for and NOT FOR factional warfare. the system was made only because there was no buffer for caldari and gallenete. it's basically 0.0 warfare but in low sec... what's the big deal?
Skjorta	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:24:00 - [13] 0/ bidaily WOW troll Shoo along now, nobody cares.
Siddy Minmatar Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:24:00 - [14] THATS GRATE, NOW IF ONLY I CULD HAVE MY SHIP, CLONE AND MODULES GIVEN BACK TO ME FOR JUST FEW WOW GOLD, THING WHULD BE PERFECT! you fail at trolling tbh
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Stimulus	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:30:00 - [15] Learn to read. ----- results may vary
Haks'he Lirky Dominion Imperium	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Kuolematon Hello, I just wanted to point out this oblivious WoW rip-off CCP is currently making: Battlegrounds. oh, I did not know that WoW battlegrounds were open to all on the server on a single continent with no queuing or hindrance in participation. Wow, I must go take a look at WoW again!!
maarud Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:35:00 - [17] Dude, you are a idoit That regoin is a new low-sec mostly regoin that is going into caldari space, cause their space lacks low sec. How about reading the dev blogs before you go off ranting about random things. Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member <t20> i'd rather have a python in my pants than a sle
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:35:00 - [18] Originally by: Kuolematon Hello, I just wanted to point out this oblivious WoW rip-off CCP is currently making: Battlegrounds. As I read info about upcoming "free" expansion, I noticed that .. The confines of settled space cannot contain a war of this scale, causing the fighting to spill over into a new region. Named "Black Rise," this new region contains 49 new star systems and nearly 40 stations, many of which are already sworn to one faction or another. So there we have it. EVE's very own and first BATTLEGROUND. Yay. Time to grind some S4 honor and marks Oblivious? Obvious misuse of the word Oblivious? Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y Owing to lack of Eve-related content, signature removed. If you would like to discuss this, please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Elissianus	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:39:00 - [19] Oblivious troll is oblivious
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:41:00 - [20] When you fail at internet debates, attack grammar! "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Malaan Tabfassh The Flowing Penguins	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:41:00 - [21] While the battleground idea comes not from WoW (yes there were mmorpgs that had this long time before wow) I have to say that OP is basically right. EVE finally gets a "capture the castles" area. If that is a good thing I dunno, well see. At least I hope we get some more nice Teasers
Ruah Piskonit Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:42:00 - [22] it is instanced pvp though. . .damn dissapointing ----
RedLion Caldari Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:46:00 - [23] Of course it is like WoW, but I think it could be cool, only problem is the excluding of the majority of eve's population. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Gallenteans must be destroyed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Haks'he Lirky Dominion Imperium	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:48:00 - [24] Originally by: Ruah Piskonit it is instanced pvp though. . .damn dissapointing How is it instanced? What most people seem to be ignoring is that you can fight in the areas around these complexes and eve complexes in general are not instances, read up on instances if you like. Instances
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:54:00 - [25] When some area is created for specific players to enter, it's instance. Even if you claim that complexes in EVE aren't those (CCP hired FunCom's people who made first dynamic instances for AO to make complex in EVE) they infact ARE - with a twist naturally. In EVE anyone can enter that instance opposite to major rule of "certain people". But in this case, "certain" people is other people in EVE who gain access to that instance via other methods than gang invite (aka. Party). So .. twist your words how you like, it's instanced fightning. "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:56:00 - [26] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 16/05/2008 06:58:06 Quote: once upon a time in the land of Azeroth Dave Chapelle fought David Hasselhoff we started out life in the Valley of Trials now we stack gold in big ass piles lookin through the books on top of the shelves learning spells, gonna plow some naked elves chillin in Thunder Bluff or Iron Forge we're engineers at the level of Geordi LaForge got home from work and I had some time, so I opened up WoW and I got online, logged into my Shaman up on Daggerspine, when this maxed out mother**** tried to take what's mine, he said "I spent a thousand hours and I failed out of school, and to justify it, I challenge you to a duel" I said thats okay, I know you'd beat me, look at me I'm not even at level 20, I've got one of those things that they call a job, and so I can't spend all day, runnin a mob, mother** kept pushin, wouldn't leave me alone, I said fine *, pretend to be Sylvester Stallone after he won he started talkin hella , and I thought to myself, "Is this fool legit?" I called Recycle Bin and Subrandom to the place, and they found the little * and regulated on his face, see, we don't take no from internet teenagers, pretending to to be straight gangster ass bangers, step out of cyberspace and come over to my place, i got a level 60 bullet for your motherin face remember back when 10 in levels was hard? nows it's ten 60s gankin noobs in the yard, fat stacks of gear for Blackwing Lair, 10k armor when I shift into bear, we got all these farmers rollin on gear, now we quick to boot em the out of here, Murlocks be screamin when we show up, Volatile Rum's what's fillin up my cup, today we catch no hastle in Stratholm, droppin bosses harder than John Holmes, updated weekly, this is great, can't say no more cause the game don't wait started out my life killing them boars, now I spend my days rapin Night Elf *s, catch you in the valley, and get me some head, I swear that we're fighting an army of speds, don't even get me started on you gold farmers, you gotta make a living, but I need that armor, one day I met this dude yellin "Yar mother****," tankin up mobs like a angry drunk trucker, introduced me to the ill Druid squad, yo, never run with em, but I'll give a priest a nod, ho, you can melt faces but I'm smashin em in, Windfury on my tuf so you fear Recycle Bin, watch out, comin soon to an ass near you, a non-stop beating that's long overdue
Haks'he Lirky Dominion Imperium	Posted - 2008.05.16 07:08:00 - [27] Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 16/05/2008 07:09:28 Originally by: Kuolematon When some area is created for specific players to enter, it's instance. Even if you claim that complexes in EVE aren't those (CCP hired FunCom's people who made first dynamic instances for AO to make complex in EVE) they infact ARE - with a twist naturally. In EVE anyone can enter that instance opposite to major rule of "certain people". But in this case, "certain" people is other people in EVE who gain access to that instance via other methods than gang invite (aka. Party). So .. twist your words how you like, it's instanced fightning. I do not have to twist my words, for every group of players that enters a specific area an instance is created, this is where the mmo concept of instancing comes from. Complexes in eve are not for a single group of players, nor for a specific group of players, there are no limitations on how many can enter (bar lag) and there is no way that it's possible to use the common mmo term "instancing" for it. But if you so sorely need to expand the term for your own purposes then go ahead.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.16 07:11:00 - [28] according to your logic each system is instanced because you have to use a stargate to get into it.
Haks'he Lirky Dominion Imperium	Posted - 2008.05.16 07:14:00 - [29] Originally by: MotherMoon according to your logic each system is instanced because you have to use a stargate to get into it. That would probably be accurate if the term "zone" would not all ready be used for those mechanics.
Angela Toren Amarr Toren Shipyards	Posted - 2008.05.16 07:15:00 - [30] Originally by: Kuolematon Hello, I just wanted to point out this oblivious WoW rip-off CCP is currently making: Battlegrounds. As I read info about upcoming "free" expansion, I noticed that .. The confines of settled space cannot contain a war of this scale, causing the fighting to spill over into a new region. Named "Black Rise," this new region contains 49 new star systems and nearly 40 stations, many of which are already sworn to one faction or another. So there we have it. EVE's very own and first BATTLEGROUND. Yay. Time to grind some S4 honor and marks WTF are you talking about!? Black Rise is a new low sec region for caldari as caldari don't have that many low systems near galante space. Read the damn dev blog. _______ Oh Mindy...
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.16 07:17:00 - [31] Originally by: Haks'he Lirky Originally by: MotherMoon according to your logic each system is instanced because you have to use a stargate to get into it. That would probably be accurate if the term "zone" would not all ready be used for those mechanics. I added more examples.
RedLion Caldari Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.16 07:18:00 - [32] Edited by: RedLion on 16/05/2008 07:22:18 Come on people, think about how much this is a copy of initial Alterac Valley in wow, (not that wow is bad in any way): - Ranking: check - Instanced/rigged: half check - Scoreboard: checked - Running around doing missions instead of PvP: check - Players dropping tags usable for different stuff: check Open your eyes people :) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Gallenteans must be destroyed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.16 07:18:00 - [33] Originally by: Kuolematon When some area is created for specific players to enter, it's instance. Even if you claim that complexes in EVE aren't those (CCP hired FunCom's people who made first dynamic instances for AO to make complex in EVE) they infact ARE - with a twist naturally. In EVE anyone can enter that instance opposite to major rule of "certain people". But in this case, "certain" people is other people in EVE who gain access to that instance via other methods than gang invite (aka. Party). So .. twist your words how you like, it's instanced fightning. It has been stated several times, that everyone can enter that places, not specific players. The ware zones are not multiple copies of the same place, like instances are. It's like the front lines in a war. Even if you do a FW mission, according to the live dev blog a beacon will be created so that everyone can get in your mission and start killing you. That's the idea of factional warfare, not that you do a mission in a hidden place, but that you will have pvp encounters while completing your task. If you think ranks and medals are copied from wow, well, then i guess even Julius Caesar or Napoleon or any modern armed forces copied this from WoW
Morphisat Rakeriku Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.05.16 07:19:00 - [34] Siege weapons in the next expansion

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.05.16 07:24:00 - [35] Wonder if there will be any Veldspar in those new systems... Secure 3rd party service ■ Do you Veldspar?

Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.16 07:24:00 - [36] Originally by: Chribba Wonder if there will be any Veldspar in those new systems... <3 I refuse to respect religious beliefs, and i refuse to respect people who hold them.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.16 07:27:00 - [37] Originally by: RedLion Edited by: RedLion on 16/05/2008 07:22:18 Come on people, think about how much this is a copy of initial Alterac Valley in wow, (not that wow is bad in any way): - Ranking: check - Instanced/rigged: half check - Scoreboard: checked - Running around doing missions instead of PvP: check - Players dropping tags usable for different stuff: check Open your eyes people :) players aren't dropping tags, NPCs are, just like they have forever Scoreboard? that shouldn't count every game has this rigged combat? umm... allaince warfare? rankings? ok yeah I'll give you that one running around doing missions? yes that is the ONE thing I agree with you on 100%, and ou know what, before they nerfed those missions into nothing that is a great idea, you can do PVE to make the PvP work, I like this idea, however in eve it will not be effected a 30 min match it will be effecting a real time battleground. And actually wow does have what eve is doing, but it's not battleground, it's that world PvP zone with the towers that have 1 hour times out wherever that place is. but that has no rewards so people don't do it.
Caiman Graystock Quantum of Solace	Posted - 2008.05.16 07:51:00 - [38] You do know, EVE has had instances forever, you know what deadspace is, right? Please, go listen to the live dev blog, because this is nothing like battlegrounds, and many of your 'facts' are wrong.
maarud Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.05.16 07:56:00 - [39] Originally by: Kuolematon When some area is created for specific players to enter, it's instance. Even if you claim that complexes in EVE aren't those (CCP hired FunCom's people who made first dynamic instances for AO to make complex in EVE) they infact ARE - with a twist naturally. In EVE anyone can enter that instance opposite to major rule of "certain people". But in this case, "certain" people is other people in EVE who gain access to that instance via other methods than gang invite (aka. Party). So .. twist your words how you like, it's instanced fightning. In that case, instanced PVP has been around since complexes first came out, since anyone could scan out someone doing a complex in low sec and pop them. There's still nothing stopping extra ppl crashing the party. Instanced fighting usually refers to a place to fight A vs B and no one else can interfere. You're sandbox is still there, now go troll somewhere else. Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.05.16 08:05:00 - [40] It's only rigged in the same way as cosmos missions are rigged. There were plenty of them where if enemies wanted to come in and jump you they were limited by ship size. Did they say that the biggest limit was T1 cruiser sized though? That sounds kinda small. ---- Infiniband can do more than just prevent lag
Aodha Khan Minmatar The Paratwa FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.16 08:24:00 - [41] Originally by: Nate D The ideas of factional warfare in EVE have been around for far longer than WoW's release to the public. -Nate Ultima Online had factional warfare more than 10 years ago. Cmon people, WoW is just a copy of what went before it. Nothing groundbreaking there at all. Paratwa Recruitment
maarud Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.05.16 08:25:00 - [42] Originally by: Adonis 4174 It's only rigged in the same way as cosmos missions are rigged. There were plenty of them where if enemies wanted to come in and jump you they were limited by ship size. Did they say that the biggest limit was T1 cruiser sized though? That sounds kinda small. There is no limits on ships, only most (not all) will have gates, so no cap ships. Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Mioelnir Minmatar KULT Production Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.16 08:28:00 - [43] My understanding: Factional Warfare Missions: - have probably gates - are in hostily space - become overview beacons for everyone once entered - are easier than normal missions of comparable level, the risk is the pvp part (wasn't really a lot about them in th Ldevblog) Warfare Encounters in contested Systems: - have to be scanned down with the onboard probe - become beacons once active too - the ones with gates have shipsize limitations ranging from frig to battleship - there are also ones without gates, so capital accessible - use Deadspace MkII that is like normal deadspace (no direct warpin etc) but you can MWD in it - objectives are time not hitpoint based
Ralara Caldari D00M.	Posted - 2008.05.16 08:59:00 - [44] Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 16/05/2008 07:16:31 according to your logic each system is instanced because you have to use a stargate to get into it. also asteroid belts are instanced. because asteroid belts only spawn when a player enters. there is no difference between asteroid belts and the new areas. also missions are instanced. No they arent. does anyone here know the defintiion of an "instance" ? It means multiple people being in the same place (think like a WoW Raid) but unable to interact with eachother. If our complexes or mining belts were instanced, you could go to one and start doing your thing - I could then go to the same belt or complex, and I wouldn't see you there. You'd be there killing your NPCs or mining your veldspar, but I wouldn't see that. I'd see a brand new set of NPCs, I wouldn't see your wrecks and I wouldn't see you. And you wouldn't see me or MY NPCs. That is an instance - it's allowing multiple people or multiple groups to be at the same location at the same time, but not be able to interact with eachother. -- "I didn't join Triumvirate, I joined D00M.".
Shananigan Induseng Enterprises R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.16 09:05:00 - [45] So are all these people who compare wow BG with eves FW complete idiots? hey FF7 has a battle arena it must of stolen that idea from wows BG.... Wow actually took that idea from ALOT of mmos and rpgs that came before wow was even thought of. I swear all you people who keep comparing everything to wow should just go play it.
Nadoflex ShockTroopers Caeruleum Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.16 09:15:00 - [46] Can we pretend that WOW does not exist? Pretty please? Its a terrible game with no new ideas of its own, everything in it has been copied from far better games and it only does well because its a warcraft game that 14 year olds flock to like a **** mag in a playground. ------------------------------------------ ShockTroopers Need You!
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.16 09:21:00 - [47] Originally by: Kuolematon Hello, I just wanted to point out this oblivious WoW rip-off CCP is currently making: Battlegrounds. You do realise that battle grounds were invented by DAOC and stolen by WoW? Other then that, Black Rise is merely a lowsec region being added. You know like how there are allready lowsec regions in game. Then E.A. adds combat objectives to lowsec regions in the hope that it will encourage smallgang pvp and draw more population into lowsec. - - - Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you can understand our goal, disagree with our solution and offer a solution that is equal or better your opinion has a better chance of being heard...
Aclyn Seriy Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.05.16 09:29:00 - [48] Edited by: Aclyn Seriy on 16/05/2008 09:29:35 Feeding of the Trolls ends in twenty minutes, please ensure all brain cells are intact before leaving this room. Anyone missing any brain cells should contact the owner of the Troll and request a refund on brain cells/time lost. The management cannot be held responsible for any damage done to your mind, face (facepalming), or personal property (ie keyboard, through repeated bashing of said face upon said keyboard), whilst in contact with this Troll. Thankyou and have a nice day. Originally by: techzer0 I'm the failboat captain
Pan Crastus Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.16 09:36:00 - [49] Originally by: Caiman Graystock You do know, EVE has had instances forever, you know what deadspace is, right? Please, go listen to the live dev blog, because this is nothing like battlegrounds, and many of your 'facts' are wrong. How about you get your facts straight first. Deadspace isn't an instance, it only exists once (per mission etc.) and anyone can enter it (the same "instance"). Havig "instances" means that a separate copy spawns for every player / group of players upon entering so you do not share the same instance with other players / group of players. EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
Gunner Dark	Posted - 2008.05.16 10:33:00 - [50] Its nothing like battlegrounds at all, if anything its close to the pvp mechanics of pirates of the burning sea, there once a certain amount of points have been gained near a port, there is a battle for control, in FW once a certain amount of point have been gained there will eb a battle for control of the control points. S FW = Port flipping in POTBS

CCP Greyscale	Posted - 2008.05.16 10:34:00 - [51] Originally by: Mioelnir My understanding: Factional Warfare Missions: - have probably gates - are in hostily space - become overview beacons for everyone once entered - are easier than normal missions of comparable level, the risk is the pvp part (wasn't really a lot about them in th Ldevblog) Warfare Encounters in contested Systems: - have to be scanned down with the onboard probe - become beacons once active too - the ones with gates have shipsize limitations ranging from frig to battleship - there are also ones without gates, so capital accessible - use Deadspace MkII that is like normal deadspace (no direct warpin etc) but you can MWD in it - objectives are time not hitpoint based Bang on. WRT the "instances" debate, both sides are right and wrong at the same time. The "technical" definition of an instance, afaik, is when you take a particular piece of content, like a deadspace site, and create multiple identical copies in the world as required. In this sense, every complex, mission and exploration site is instanced content. The "standard" definition of an instance, derived from the way these things are usually used, is when you take an instance as above and spawn in for a particular group of people and then limit who can enter, usually to either just the people entering it or to them plus some selected enemies. There is nothing to my knowledge in EVE which fits this definition and we have no intention of changing that in the upcoming expansion.

Pesadel0 Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.16 10:57:00 - [52] Originally by: CCP Greyscale Originally by: Mioelnir My understanding: Factional Warfare Missions: - have probably gates - are in hostily space - become overview beacons for everyone once entered - are easier than normal missions of comparable level, the risk is the pvp part (wasn't really a lot about them in th Ldevblog) Warfare Encounters in contested Systems: - have to be scanned down with the onboard probe - become beacons once active too - the ones with gates have shipsize limitations ranging from frig to battleship - there are also ones without gates, so capital accessible - use Deadspace MkII that is like normal deadspace (no direct warpin etc) but you can MWD in it - objectives are time not hitpoint based Bang on. WRT the "instances" debate, both sides are right and wrong at the same time. The "technical" definition of an instance, afaik, is when you take a particular piece of content, like a deadspace site, and create multiple identical copies in the world as required. In this sense, every complex, mission and exploration site is instanced content. The "standard" definition of an instance, derived from the way these things are usually used, is when you take an instance as above and spawn in for a particular group of people and then limit who can enter, usually to either just the people entering it or to them plus some selected enemies. There is nothing to my knowledge in EVE which fits this definition and we have no intention of changing that in the upcoming expansion. I trully hope that CCP does this rigth because this was what killed WOW pvp,and i 'am seeing the same trend here ,but i will help you guys test in the testserver this, and i'am sure we(ccp and players) will correct the bugs and flaws. -The rewards for factional warfare cant be bigger then 0.0 rewards,or people will mass exodus from 0.0 to empire remember level 4 missions when they were out? ------------------------------------------------------------------
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.05.16 13:51:00 - [53] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 16/05/2008 13:53:43 I didn't really look into what context the term "bang on" was used in, but thanks to Greyscale I will now use this term, perhaps inappropriately. edit: but srsly don't listen to the haters. I know that CCP isn't making a WoW battleground
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2008.05.16 14:55:00 - [54] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 16/05/2008 13:53:43 I didn't really look into what context the term "bang on" was used in, but thanks to Greyscale I will now use this term, perhaps inappropriately. edit: but srsly don't listen to the haters. I know that CCP isn't making a WoW battleground The phrase "Bang On", in this case, means that you have made a very accurate statement. Similar terms would be "hit the mark", "spot on" and "yes, you are correct" ------ begin signature ----- Little known Eve fact, The original race names were: Amarr Empire, Caldar Empire, Minmatar Republic, The Jovians, and The Remanaquie Federation.
Cailais Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.05.16 15:03:00 - [55] Correct me if Im wrong, but as I understand it you will be a valid war target ANYWHERE in EVE vs your opposing faction. How can this be considered a 'battleground' unless you apply it to the entirety of EVE? In which case its nothing like WOW. C. A new look at Local - IDEA
Alora Venoda GalTech Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2008.05.16 15:06:00 - [56] Originally by: Pesadel0 I trully hope that CCP does this rigth because this was what killed WOW pvp,and i 'am seeing the same trend here ,but i will help you guys test in the testserver this, and i'am sure we(ccp and players) will correct the bugs and flaws. -The rewards for factional warfare cant be bigger then 0.0 rewards,or people will mass exodus from 0.0 to empire remember level 4 missions when they were out? it didn't kill WoW PvP, but rather it redefined it. instead of laggy gankfests in public areas that basically shutdown an area for everyone, players were able to actually fight each other. and those players of lower ability level and experience were allowed a way to realistically participate. i suspect something similar may happen here as well. but it depends on how much ISK can be made. if it's profitable AND you get to wtfpwn other players, i would imagine that those who currently wardec empire corps for their pvp fix will flock to FW, much to the relief of many non-PvP corps. there may even be a drop in lowsec gate pirates... all of these seem to be good things, much like how WoW became more "playable" when battlegrounds were released. and i doubt any alliance that controls 0.0 systems will let them go, so only the neutrals that run around trying to get in fights would probably switch to FW, which again is a good thing for those still trying to police their 0.0 territory. ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Cailais Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.05.16 15:07:00 - [57] Originally by: RedLion Edited by: RedLion on 16/05/2008 07:22:18 Come on people, think about how much this is a copy of initial Alterac Valley in wow, (not that wow is bad in any way): - Ranking: check - Instanced/rigged: half check - Scoreboard: checked - Running around doing missions instead of PvP: check - Players dropping tags usable for different stuff: check Open your eyes people :) - Ranking: check - ummm..standings?? Loyalty point store? this isnt new... - Instanced/rigged: wrong - Scoreboard: checked - go look up Alliance Sov mechanics. - Running around doing missions instead of PvP: wrong - Players dropping tags usable for different stuff: wrong Open your eyes and actually READ the Dev Comments. Thx C. A new look at Local - IDEA
KapnKaboom School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.05.16 15:12:00 - [58] Originally by: Pesadel0 -The rewards for factional warfare cant be bigger then 0.0 rewards,or people will mass exodus from 0.0 to empire remember level 4 missions when they were out? Didn't you see the memo? The reward for completing a factional warfare mission will be a new, pre-fit Titan.
LetsDoThis	Posted - 2008.05.16 15:18:00 - [59] Originally by: RedLion Edited by: RedLion on 16/05/2008 07:22:18 Come on people, think about how much this is a copy of initial Alterac Valley in wow, (not that wow is bad in any way): - Ranking: check - Instanced/rigged: half check - Scoreboard: checked - Running around doing missions instead of PvP: check - Players dropping tags usable for different stuff: check Open your eyes people :) The most important thing that a WoW BG does is: - Even team sizes - Tries to match teams based on skill level - PvP is almost instantaneous So don't worry, FW won't have any of that.
OneSock Crown Industries space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2008.05.16 15:32:00 - [60] Originally by: Mioelnir - use Deadspace MkII that is like normal deadspace (no direct warpin etc) but you can MWD in it nano hell then :( shame.
Raem Civrie Firma Civrie	Posted - 2008.05.16 15:36:00 - [61] CAOD is just a blatant ripoff from the WoW Rogue Forums. ---
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.05.16 15:55:00 - [62] I am just posting here to express my malicious pleasure at the OP's utter, utter failure at the concept of sentience
Euriti Gallente Caritas.	Posted - 2008.05.16 16:05:00 - [63] Originally by: OneSock Originally by: Mioelnir - use Deadspace MkII that is like normal deadspace (no direct warpin etc) but you can MWD in it nano hell then :( shame. Nano PvP > Floating brick slowboat f1-f8
Alyth Gallente Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.16 16:06:00 - [64] Originally by: OneSock Originally by: Mioelnir - use Deadspace MkII that is like normal deadspace (no direct warpin etc) but you can MWD in it nano hell then :( shame. Unfortunately all that tanking stuff only works in lowsec when you usually have less than ten people shooting you. Scale that up to 0.0 sized combat groups and you'll find that not getting hit at all is a significantly better tanking method than going rather slowly while under fire from more than 30 different people.
Amy Sto	Posted - 2008.05.16 16:13:00 - [65] Originally by: Kuolematon Hello, I just wanted to point out this oblivious WoW rip-off CCP is currently making: Battlegrounds. As I read info about upcoming "free" expansion, I noticed that .. The confines of settled space cannot contain a war of this scale, causing the fighting to spill over into a new region. Named "Black Rise," this new region contains 49 new star systems and nearly 40 stations, many of which are already sworn to one faction or another. So there we have it. EVE's very own and first BATTLEGROUND. Yay. Time to grind some S4 honor and marks OH NOES!!!Teh Stupids has invadeds teh internets! Seriously, read, undersstand, read again, comprehend, THEN rant.
Selanha	Posted - 2008.05.16 16:31:00 - [66] Is there any possibility that the use of the new time based objectives (where the # of ships does not decrease the amount of time required to capture the target) will make its way into 0.0 warfare? Just my 2 cents but a capture and hold mechanic using time-based targets is a lot more fluid and open than POS warfare.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.16 17:47:00 - [67] Originally by: Ralara Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 16/05/2008 07:16:31 according to your logic each system is instanced because you have to use a stargate to get into it. also asteroid belts are instanced. because asteroid belts only spawn when a player enters. there is no difference between asteroid belts and the new areas. also missions are instanced. No they arent. does anyone here know the defintiion of an "instance" ? It means multiple people being in the same place (think like a WoW Raid) but unable to interact with eachother. If our complexes or mining belts were instanced, you could go to one and start doing your thing - I could then go to the same belt or complex, and I wouldn't see you there. You'd be there killing your NPCs or mining your veldspar, but I wouldn't see that. I'd see a brand new set of NPCs, I wouldn't see your wrecks and I wouldn't see you. And you wouldn't see me or MY NPCs. That is an instance - it's allowing multiple people or multiple groups to be at the same location at the same time, but not be able to interact with eachother. yes lol that's why I said "using your logic" meaning I didn't agree with what I posted lol.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.16 17:56:00 - [68] Originally by: OneSock Originally by: Mioelnir - use Deadspace MkII that is like normal deadspace (no direct warpin etc) but you can MWD in it nano hell then :( shame. honestly it's either, they will change it after it becomes a problem or they are also releasing a speed nerf soon.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.16 17:58:00 - [69] Originally by: Selanha Is there any possibility that the use of the new time based objectives (where the # of ships does not decrease the amount of time required to capture the target) will make its way into 0.0 warfare? Just my 2 cents but a capture and hold mechanic using time-based targets is a lot more fluid and open than POS warfare. yes http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=635828 Actully 0.0 space will become like FW but instead of complexes it will be stargate based.
Siddy Minmatar Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.16 17:58:00 - [70] Originally by: CCP Greyscale Originally by: Mioelnir My understanding: Factional Warfare Missions: - have probably gates - are in hostily space - become overview beacons for everyone once entered - are easier than normal missions of comparable level, the risk is the pvp part (wasn't really a lot about them in th Ldevblog) Warfare Encounters in contested Systems: - have to be scanned down with the onboard probe - become beacons once active too - the ones with gates have shipsize limitations ranging from frig to battleship - there are also ones without gates, so capital accessible - use Deadspace MkII that is like normal deadspace (no direct warpin etc) but you can MWD in it - objectives are time not hitpoint based Bang on. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH First, fix local chat, before adding new "pvp" content. With current local, anything/everything you add to game, that is based on space pew pew, is a FUTILE. We all love good e-peen joke, but now its time to cut the monitors! Tomorow ill...
VInanath Diesel Caldari Irken Research Corporation	Posted - 2008.05.16 19:43:00 - [71] A new region...40 plus stations?... lots of player ships going boom?... sweet! Now can someone tell me where this lovely place will be placed (system entrance!) so I can move my wares and stablish the very first hub?

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