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Dentali
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Posted - 2004.05.01 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: Dentali on 01/05/2004 00:38:19
As we all know a good implant (basic) can run for approximately anywhere between 12-20 million isk a piece. I personally, along with a few others, think that is an outrageous price to pay for something that is a basic model. I have recently petitioned to CCP about the issue and asked the following question in and attempt to find future plans and possibly releases of higher leveled implants to allow the basics to drop in price. These are some of the questions I asked:
1) Will you (CCP) make their appearance (basics) more frequent?
2) Will you allow the release of higher versions of implants to allow basics to drop in price?
3) Will you possibly allow basic drops in loot and all other higher levels only available from agents? (This would mean that basics would be available in 1 out of every 100,000 loot cans.)
Now, to keep things all fair this is not a flamming thread against anyone nor do I wish to create a flame thread on this topic. I am simply posting this to see if anyone else expresses the same feelings that I do about the issue. Of course those of you that have level 3 agents that worked for a long time to attain them will not like such ideas, but then again of course im sure you would enjoy those improved or advanced implants just as much as the basics! Anyway, if anyone agrees or disagrees with the above comments and opinions please post here.
(Please keep this clean)
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Enraku Reynolt
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Posted - 2004.05.01 00:34:00 -
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in before the lock
you reposted a petition
and as to the thread
your free to do agent missions and get implants and sell them
and your free to not buy them in protest
prices are set by PLAYERS
theyll sell at the price the market will bear
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Dentali
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Posted - 2004.05.01 00:38:00 -
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Edited by: Dentali on 01/05/2004 00:39:57
Fixed. 
And true the prices are set by the players. However, as supply goes up demand goes down, and when demand goes down prices drop. :)
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Enraku Reynolt
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Posted - 2004.05.01 00:40:00 -
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and tht happened, twice now
I think it was 2 monthes ago memory ran about 4-6 mill
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Levi
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Posted - 2004.05.01 00:40:00 -
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well you better get ready to pay more, implants are being received very rarely if at all, since patch. so expect to start paying a lot more unless this changes! 
but yes, i think they are all too high. unless you're the one that's working your butt off to get them, that is. 
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Dentali
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Posted - 2004.05.01 00:41:00 -
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Edited by: Dentali on 01/05/2004 00:43:11
Edited by: Dentali on 01/05/2004 00:42:53
Yes, and in my opinion it shouldnt take 100-200 missions to recieve an implant after youve worked as long as you have to get to that level. Which, of course, is why I have posted and are seeing what everyone thinks about the prices and their drop rates. Of course, this thread can only do good for everyone not bad for anyone.
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2004.05.01 00:53:00 -
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Let me get this strait, you put in a petitiion about the price of implants
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Enraku Reynolt
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Posted - 2004.05.01 00:54:00 -
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100-200?
and you think prices are high now?
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Dentali
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Posted - 2004.05.01 00:57:00 -
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Edited by: Dentali on 01/05/2004 00:58:59
 Originally by: Lao Tzu
Let me get this strait, you put in a petitiion about the price of implants
I put in a petition regarding the price of implants in relation to the drop rates and agent reward rates of the implants. Being said - 1 implant can take up to 100+ mission to attain. They do in no way drop in loot and the basics are the only ones available from agents or on the market at 20+ million isk. At that rate the more advanced models would run for 50-100 million isk. The petition was in relation to the drop rate, which then effected the price.
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Armin Chamberlain
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Posted - 2004.05.01 01:46:00 -
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Its good the way it is now. Looking forward to seeing the prices rise. Implants should be something very special. |
Homolomolum
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Posted - 2004.05.01 02:20:00 -
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I personally, along with a few others, think that is an outrageous price to pay for something that is a basic model.
Nobody is forcing you to buy implants.
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Muthsera
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Posted - 2004.05.01 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Homolomolum
I personally, along with a few others, think that is an outrageous price to pay for something that is a basic model.
Nobody is forcing you to buy implants.
I just find that a stupid comment.. Sorry.. No offence though.
You should not be forced to buy one for 15mill + that is stupidity.. And it's directly CCP's "fault" that it's like that in the end. (I'll explain more later)
When you look at it. A player should be able to get a implant.
And not just be restricted to one.
A player need to play somewhere around a month and a half atleast to be able to buy one. (on avrege)
And it's not possible to be part of every aspect of the game on the same level.
So. keeping in line whit what I've said. It's reasonable to assume the implant should be affordable.
And it should be more to chose from.
(here is the problem)
Becus CCP can't include to many of those yet.
The reason for that is then the SP level whould run away on them.
Meaning, ppl whould learn faster the skills than they could make new ones.
I think this is some of the reason why they changed the missile skill req and the refining skill req.
So simply saying that your not forced to buy it that price is foolish to say.
Becus in the end it's just what we're are.
We're forced to buy it at that price becus of the reasons above.
As long as we don't have a larger implant choice.
It's always going to increase in price.
The demand will always be there.
The only way you can change that is to under cut it.
Like they did whit the Noural Boost.
And it's limited how often they can do that and still keep whitin the RP part of the game.
So I guess this is just another shout for more standard and improved implants.
And could you try to include some of the other augementations??????
I think that could give the game that more depth.
SoonÖ
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Dentali
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Posted - 2004.05.01 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Armin Chamberlain
Its good the way it is now. Looking forward to seeing the prices rise. Implants should be something very special.
Slaves... are getting implants... =P
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Dentali
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Posted - 2004.05.01 03:26:00 -
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Edited by: Dentali on 01/05/2004 03:28:39
Originally by: Homolomolum
I personally, along with a few others, think that is an outrageous price to pay for something that is a basic model.
Nobody is forcing you to buy implants.
Nobody is forcing me to buy implants, you are correct sir, however at their current price its impossible for me to buy and afford them without selling the assets I have. I understood when they were rare and went for 5 million isk a pop... that was under the expectancy of seeing the later versions and more advanced versions. But now they are 20+ million isk a pop for the basic models, there needs to be a time for change!
We dont even nessicarily need to say to people "hey drop your implant prices" and thats not what im saying. What im saying is if there are more of the basics floating about and less of the rarer ones (Take megacyte for example, the more available the lower the price, zydrine, the less of the mineral, the higher the price) then the basic prices will be affordable and the advanced models will be outrageous... which is how it should be.
(An opinion not a flame, please dont flame people in this thread.)
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Sochin
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Posted - 2004.05.01 03:38:00 -
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How is it CCP's fault? It's a player-driven market. The only way the prices will drop is if the supply goes up. So why don't you go drop some isk on implant BPs and start cranking them out?
Anyone happen to know the markup on implants?
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Sara Kerrigan
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Posted - 2004.05.01 03:51:00 -
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Edited by: Sara Kerrigan on 01/05/2004 03:55:57
[ Originally by: Sochin
How is it CCP's fault? It's a player-driven market. The only way the prices will drop is if the supply goes up. So why don't you go drop some isk on implant BPs and start cranking them out?
Anyone happen to know the markup on implants?
There are no implant BPs. They are given as agent rewards. He is arguing that CCP tweeked it so they aren't given as often, thus less supply and higher prices.
But I disagree. Implants are an accessory, not a necessity. It's one of few items that has a large impact on the game, as it is the only thing that can speed up your training time with the exception of the learning skills. It should be rare, and it shouldn't be something that everyone can afford. Otherwise, it wouldn't be so special if everyone has it.
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Falbala
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Posted - 2004.05.01 03:53:00 -
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Before my two monthes break, I didn't encounter any difficulty to get 2 implants, except the time investment of course.
Since then, my Thorax has been destroyed in a standard kill mission (a thief and 4 escorts), so it makes mission running much more dangerous. Yes, I could say no to the kill mission and get the standing back running other missions but I prefer finish my BS first before doing missions again.
Actually, if you don't have high gunnery and fight skills, a good ship equipped for battle and such, missions are not very rewarding. So less people are doing them which explains why implants are rare, thus more expensive.
I just hope Shiva will bring something (it should) to those who don't have scientific or fighting skills, or this char will have to go to biomass. Missions were supposed to be for those with social skills but in fact it is for high perception/willpower players, others can't compete. And this kind of players are already busy in pvp, npc hunting and such.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.05.01 04:17:00 -
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That's all bs, I did 400+ missions for 2 highest lvl3 fed navy agents, got only some bp that nobody needs. I got up to 9+ standing with my agent, and stopped doing missions cos it's a waste of my time.
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Sochin
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Posted - 2004.05.01 04:34:00 -
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ahhh didn't know that.
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Allaina
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Posted - 2004.05.01 04:44:00 -
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A few observations regarding the prices of basic implants:
If they were really "too expensive" they wouldn't sell at that price. Why are they going for so much? Because the people that want them can make more money doing other things than slogging through hundreds and thousands (if you include lowerlevel missions) to get the ones they want.
How about this, instead of *****ing about them being "only basic" think of it this way.... they are also the second best implants in the game! Actually, since the difference between the best and the worst implant is only 1 silly little attrib point maybe they should be called basic and "slightly less basic" or how about standard and "only a little less standard".
Why should everyone be able to afford the 2nd best of any item in the game? The 2nd best amarr battleship is running 50-60mil right now and I dare say it's easier to get one of those than an implant.
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Falbala
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Posted - 2004.05.01 04:44:00 -
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Some have troubles getting implants others get many a week... Missions are not very rewarding so people just do this more for T2 tools than anything else. Yes they give reward, but if you mine omber in 0.6 instead you get more isks for less risk.
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Xavier Cardde
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Posted - 2004.05.01 04:55:00 -
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implants be fine...quit *****ing or get the cash...
if they were any lower EVERYONE would have them....and guess what? you dont need them.
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Zen Jakkaru
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Posted - 2004.05.01 04:56:00 -
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Looks like this guy wants his cake and eat it too. 
Nobody is forcing me to buy implants
however at their current price its impossible for me to buy and afford them without selling the assets I have.
So you petitioned because although its possible to buy implants, you would have to sell the assets you currently own.. correct?
Great thinking!Maybe i'll petition the fact that i have to sell my jaspet to buy a Battleship.100,000,000 ISK is way overpriced, and to be honest i don't see why i should part with my hard earned jaspet just so i can own a Tempest.
Har-de-fraggin'-har-har!
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TimeKeepr
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Posted - 2004.05.01 05:37:00 -
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As far as skill training goes, the high price of implants separates those who dont play much at all from those who are much more active in the game. And this I like, since it puts me at an advantage to other players who dont play much, and thus dont have implants.
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Muthsera
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Posted - 2004.05.01 05:59:00 -
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I think you all is really missing the point.
This is called player enviroment.
You can drive the prices on implants as high as you want.
Becus it doesn't have any real alternative.
So we're actually forced to pay that price if we're to get a implant.
You don't really have a choice.
If you want to have a higher training curve.
Your forced at some point to buy one.
It's not really an option to do or not to do.
Your really need one.
Or you'll lose out.
And no one in they're right mind wants to lose out on training time.
And saying that an implant should be rare is bull..
I ask you.. Whould anyone of you like to go whitout one?
If not. I suddest you shut the **** up.
And let us complain about the prices.
If you think it's ok at that price.
Fine.. no problem. But don't say a damn **** to someone who think it's to high.
Becus not everyone has the same means to aquire one as a you do.
SoonÖ
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.05.01 07:22:00 -
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implants = optional. don't want to pay for one? don't buy one.
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Allaina
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Posted - 2004.05.01 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Muthsera
I think you all is really missing the point.
This is called player enviroment.
You can drive the prices on implants as high as you want.
Seems you grasped the point with that.
Originally by: Muthsera
Becus it doesn't have any real alternative.
So we're actually forced to pay that price if we're to get a implant.
And lost it with that.
Originally by: Muthsera
You don't really have a choice.
1. Run your own missions and get implants yourself.
2. Don't own implants.
3. Pay the higher prices.
Originally by: Muthsera
If you want to have a higher training curve.
Your forced at some point to buy one.
It's not really an option to do or not to do.
Your really need one.
Or you'll lose out.
And no one in they're right mind wants to lose out on training time.
I don't own an implant. I guess I suck and I'm not having fun cause according to you I really need one.
Originally by: Muthsera
And saying that an implant should be rare is bull..
I ask you.. Whould anyone of you like to go whitout one?
Have already told you I am without one. I also don't own my own station, titan, or any lvl2 Battleship and I've been playing since launch.
Originally by: Muthsera
If not. I suddest you shut the **** up.
And let us complain about the prices.
If you think it's ok at that price.
Fine.. no problem. But don't say a damn **** to someone who think it's to high.
Becus not everyone has the same means to aquire one as a you do.
So, because you think the price is too high we lose our right to debate you on the subject? Let me turn your quote around for a second:
Originally by: Allaina
If you think it's too high at that price.
Fine.. no problem. But don't say a damn **** to someone who think it's fine.
becus not everyone has the same want to have everything handed to him as you do.
That pretty much sums it up from the "it's fine" crowd.
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Nybbas
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Posted - 2004.05.01 08:12:00 -
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ROFL this is hillarious, so these OPTIONAL items, that you in NO way need to suceed in this game, I had a full set, for a little while, until i was podded, then i decided, i am too n00b to keep all that isk in my head, and unless i wanted to go total carebear, i better make a fortune before buying them, come on these items are amazing, they give you more training time, they are incredibly unique. How can you possibly expect them to sell for cheaper? they are high quality elite items, out there for the very rich, and its one of the few ways to get very rich from running agent missions. Its like whining cuz you can have rare large 425 railguns, and tachyons, because they cost as much as your battleship, and you cant get any to drop after farming for hours. And to the people who got their rating up to 9 and didnt get any implants, maybe you should check out what agents give out implants, and try to switch it up? use your heads people. These items arn't meant for everyone and their mother to have a full set. Luxury item. Great to have, kick in the nuts to lose.
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Therax
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Posted - 2004.05.01 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dentali
Edited by: Dentali on 01/05/2004 00:38:19
As we all know a good implant (basic) can run for approximately anywhere between 12-20 million isk a piece. I personally, along with a few others, think that is an outrageous price to pay for something that is a basic model.
The word basic refers to the item within that class of items, it doesnt mean basic implants are basic items it means its a basic type of the class implant, which is a class of advanced items.
-Morbeis
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YuuKnow
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Posted - 2004.05.01 08:59:00 -
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Heh,
skills are like money in this game, even more important that isk, and anything that boost the rate a players gains skills always be well worth the price.
Personally I'm glad to see that the market it adjusting well to the decreased supply. Supply and demand is the law. Implants get nerfed and frequencies go down, implant prices go up.
Doesn't bother me a bit. As long as I'm still making money. 
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