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Tippia
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Posted - 2008.05.17 08:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Gwendion
And you go into PvP without an MWD because...
You do realise that there are ships that effectively can't fit an MWD, don't you? As in "if you fit one, you go slower than using an AB" or as in "if you fit one, you cannot fit anything else".
Most notably, this happens with things like blockade runners – you know, those ships that are (supposedly) purpose-built to be quick enough to avoind these kinds of things….
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Tippia
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Posted - 2008.05.17 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
What do you mean? You can fit a blockade runner with a MWD, and very fast they are too. I'm not sure what you mean by "slower then with an AB". Are you fitting a 1Mn MWD to a blockade runner or something?
I said "some".
Go take a look at the Crane, for instance. With all skills maxed out, it has a PG of 150 – and with one exception, 150 PG is also what all 10MN warpdrives require to run (the one exception "only" sets you back 135, which leaves very little to fit everything else you need).
So yes, in this case, you have to choose between either a 10MN AB, or a 1MN MWD. Naturally, the AB is faster – giving you a less-than-stellar top speed of 850m/s.
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Tippia
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School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.17 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
The Crane is a blockade runner in name only. It's a terrible ship. It's fat, slow, heavy and, as you rightly point out, needs an implant or fitting mod to fit a MWD.
Exactly. And the Crapne is still miles ahead of normal indys. Again, the point is: it's easy to say "fit MWD", but it's not always a usable solution.
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Tippia
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Posted - 2008.05.17 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
The problem is the Crane, not HICs.
Oh, absolutely – it's just that the knee-jerk "fit MWD" counter-argument makes me cringe.
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Tippia
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School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.17 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
The other blockade runners don't have this issue. Therefore the problem is the Crane, not Blockade runners.
Well, the Prowler can be a pretty tight fit as well, but I supposed that depends on whether you want to tank it or not (admittedly, one of the main points of the BRs is that you're supposed to run instead).
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Tippia
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School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.17 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Avoheja
My corpmate runs a 5-jump, heavily camped lowsec route in Molden Heath regularly... in a Crane. He has no problem hauling things like +4 implants, BPCs, NPC Pos Fuels and other similarly expensive goods to be jumped down to our nullsec home. Crane is fine imo.
Ye…e…es? Your point being?
I'm willing to bet that he isn't using an MWD to get out of bubbles either, which was the entire issue.
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Tippia
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School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.17 13:43:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 17/05/2008 13:45:46
Originally by: Havohej
No. It wasn't. 30km Infinipoint != bubbles.
Onoz! I called one thing something else (both of which were unrelated to the issue at hand).
The issue of the quoted chain was the use of MWDs, and that Cranes can't use them to get out of a hictor's range. Anecdotal evidence of a buddy using a Crane does not have anything to do with that.
Now, admittedly, this quote chain is a side-track to the thread itself, but if you want to comment on the main issue (infinipoints), then you shouldn't quote a discussion about the limitations of Crane/MWD combos. Quoting in context is good for you.
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Tippia
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School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.17 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Avoheja
If he's not using an MWD, then guess what? He's getting past that Phobos ANOTHER way.
…which further proves my entire point: that the knee-jerk "fit MWD" answer won't work for all ships. Quote:
As to 'both of which' being 'unrelated to the issue at hand', the topic of the thread is the 30km infinipoint. Not bubbles.
…and the topic of the quote chain is about Cranes not being able to fit MWDs. The comment about the low-sec buddy in question didn't really add anything to that debate, and had no real point in that context.
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Tippia
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School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.17 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Avoheja
On the contrary. My 'real point in that context' is that it's irrelevant whether it can fit the MWD or not - it can get past the HIC.
Good, then you've answered the question I posed on the last page. Glad we sorted that out.
Just to be contrary though ( ), I would argue that going 2.5km/s (or nearly 600m/s cloaked) is far better than 850m/s in the open…
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School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.17 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
I have used it so often, carrying a total of over 4-5b in it..the rigs are peanuts. Enjoy the biggest cargo of all blockaderunners.
Using rigs… which gives the "biggest cargo" award to the Prowler.
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Tippia
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School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.17 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
That's not the point. I would fit a Prowler with 2x inertia in the lows and two polys or one poly and a hyperspatial vel. optimizer, not with cargorigs.
The Crane has the highest base cargo of all blockaderunners, and while comparing them i always asume a fit for best survivability.
…well, my (admittedly nitpicking) point was that you can't both claim MWD capability and best cargo. Just as you can rig the Crane to overcome its PG weakness, you can mod the other BRs to overcome theirs (such as having slightly less cargo).
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