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Enidia	Posted - 2004.05.01 10:58:00 - [1] ------------------------------------------------------------ Channelname: Local Listener: Enidia Session started: 2004.05.01 10:24:05 ------------------------------------------------------------ [ 2004.05.01 10:24:11 ] Enidia > problem? [ 2004.05.01 10:24:38 ] Nache1 > you have 4 min to leave [ 2004.05.01 10:26:05 ] Enidia > but im not finshed sightseeing [ 2004.05.01 10:26:44 ] Enidia > whats your problem anyway? [ 2004.05.01 10:27:45 ] Enidia > ok i tell you what [ 2004.05.01 10:27:58 ] Enidia > answer three questions of mine [ 2004.05.01 10:28:07 ] Enidia > YES or NO only [ 2004.05.01 10:28:14 ] Enidia > and one bonus quesiton at the end [ 2004.05.01 10:28:17 ] Enidia > then i'll leave [ 2004.05.01 10:28:47 ] Enidia > k? [ 2004.05.01 10:29:07 ] Nache1 > sorry time is up , you are now kos [ 2004.05.01 10:29:34 ] Enidia > kos? dont you even talk or you're all just friefers and pirates? [ 2004.05.01 10:30:06 ] Nache1 > you were given 5 min to leave you didnt , so now your kos [ 2004.05.01 10:30:22 ] Enidia > um can you not talk for yourself? [ 2004.05.01 10:31:25 ] Nache1 > I am talking , but what Im saying isnt geting to you [ 2004.05.01 10:31:43 ] Enidia > answer what i ask you then [ 2004.05.01 10:32:01 ] Nache1 > sorry end of talking [ 2004.05.01 10:32:02 ] Enidia > simple as that and i'll leave [ 2004.05.01 10:33:11 ] Enidia > the choice is yours, talk to me and i'll leave, dont and i'll stay, and the decision is yours, prove you are not pirates and griefers [ 2004.05.01 10:34:17 ] Nache1 > hmm maybe I dont make myself clear ........you had 5 min to leave ( you didnt ) , you will be kos ( kill on sight to all of Jqa alliance ) and you still didnt leave . I inforce the rules of the space , if you cant handle that then get a good clone !! [ 2004.05.01 10:34:38 ] Enidia > whats JQA? [ 2004.05.01 10:35:04 ] Nache1 > JQA alliance [ 2004.05.01 10:35:09 ] Nache1 > JQA conts [ 2004.05.01 10:35:15 ] Enidia > what do you do? threaten people? [ 2004.05.01 10:35:17 ] Nache1 > we control this conts [ 2004.05.01 10:35:27 ] Nache1 > no I kill people [ 2004.05.01 10:35:38 ] Nache1 > if they dont listen to the rules [ 2004.05.01 10:35:45 ] Enidia > whoose rules? [ 2004.05.01 10:35:47 ] Enidia > your rules? [ 2004.05.01 10:35:58 ] Enidia > what makes your rules special over anyone elses? [ 2004.05.01 10:36:01 ] Nache1 > JQA Alliance rules [ 2004.05.01 10:36:35 ] Enidia > did JQA build the stargate here? [ 2004.05.01 10:36:54 ] Nache1 > Im done talking , if I dont get you theres 300+ others that will [ 2004.05.01 10:36:56 ] Enidia > huh? did you build the stations? [ 2004.05.01 10:37:15 ] Enidia > so why should i not move free through something you dont really own [ 2004.05.01 10:38:15 ] Enidia > you think you own this constellation, but you dont really do you, cause im still here :) [ 2004.05.01 10:44:01 ] Enidia > can i join JQA? [ 2004.05.01 10:44:16 ] Enidia > i want to threaten people too Sorry to sound very newbish, but i really dont see how anyone can stop me exploring unless they can lock gates. Can stargates be locked? I actually found it quite funny, i was being threatened with death, yet, you dont really die in eve so isn't that a bit pointless? Anyway, got more sightseeing to do, i set my clone deep in 'their' space, hehe pod away! Lets see if it makes any difference...
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2004.05.01 11:08:00 - [2] Who/what are/is this JQA alliance? ----------------------------------------------
Tal Mordin	Posted - 2004.05.01 11:10:00 - [3] Just Qids Alliance? Never heard of.
Alexandra Belani	Posted - 2004.05.01 11:18:00 - [4] Contact Chris Reed ingame. Hes a reasonable chap from the JQA Alliance. Like this sig? Check out my sig shoppe.. Zen Jakkaru - "Alexandra Belani (Most sexy terr
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2004.05.01 11:20:00 - [5] The JQA alliance claim space in Syndicate; I believe its a pretty open spot though, with pirates and miners and bounty hunters and assorted bravos all doing the neutron tango around the stargates. My respect to Enidia for holding her ground though. (If this chatlog had gone on longer it would have been a candidate for another Riz video) JF Public Forum
dabster	Posted - 2004.05.01 12:19:00 - [6] That Nache1 dude sure knows how to make his alliance look nublar and cute ___________________________ Chicks dig Brutor's
Grim Fandango	Posted - 2004.05.01 12:39:00 - [7] Just send them my way, a few more or less doesn't matter Funny how people claim to want to hunt you for the rest of their days (or yours for that matter)... Pay or die
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.05.01 13:32:00 - [8] Myself I'd like to see some alliance policy evolving, these KOS are thrown around like people are trying to meet a quota. Are there any that keep their KOS to their claimed space and the vicinity or is this archacronym of bland going to stay galaxy wide for the sake of fraghagging? We're KOS by the remnants of the ORS, embarassing little story, either way we didn't get shot at in the Outer Ring, yes I know they're not considered to be in control of it. We're not even shot at in the Cloud Ring or Syndicate but in Tash-Murkon. What is your purpose, what do you stand to gain and what are you defending with a galaxy wide KOS??? Convert Stations
Leitari	Posted - 2004.05.01 13:32:00 - [9] hmmmm looks like some good times can be had there..... perhaps we'll pay you a visit.... Here, Only the silent survive.
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.05.01 14:07:00 - [10] KOS list is a joke anyway...nobody checks it EVER. I like my DNKOS better anyway, at least i remember it...
Enidia	Posted - 2004.05.01 14:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Leitari hmmmm looks like some good times can be had there..... perhaps we'll pay you a visit.... That would be very kind of you Mr Leitari! System: S-U8A4 Constellation: JQV5-9 Region: Syndicate Look for the tough guys, grabbing their crotches and threating explorers in their shuttles. Originally by: Danton Marcellus Myself I'd like to see some alliance policy evolving, these KOS are thrown around like people are trying to meet a quota. Yes I agree, it's actually very childish, all i get from them are 'you're kos, you will die!!' 5 million times If you guys wanna kill me, then kill me! I actually enjoy moving about, and you wont stop me because you can't, I wont let you boss me about.
Judicator	Posted - 2004.05.01 14:16:00 - [12] Originally by: Leitari hmmmm looks like some good times can be had there..... perhaps we'll pay you a visit.... You read my mind -------------------------
Ezra	Posted - 2004.05.01 14:54:00 - [13] Edited by: Ezra on 01/05/2004 14:55:15 What to NORAD or AA say about this supposed "JQA Alliance" in their territory, threatening people that pass through? ------------ Ezra Cornell pe0n, Xanadu Corporation
Leitari	Posted - 2004.05.01 15:15:00 - [14] Edited by: Leitari on 01/05/2004 15:16:30 Originally by: Enidia Originally by: Leitari hmmmm looks like some good times can be had there..... perhaps we'll pay you a visit.... That would be very kind of you Mr Leitari! System: S-U8A4 Constellation: JQV5-9 Region: Syndicate Look for the tough guys, grabbing their crotches and threating explorers in their shuttles. Then its a date Maybe we could make a picknick out of this, I'll bring teh red wine..... mmmm.... red wine......mmmm Here, Only the silent survive.
Enidia	Posted - 2004.05.01 15:38:00 - [15] Originally by: Leitari Then its a date Maybe we could make a picknick out of this, I'll bring teh red wine..... mmmm.... red wine......mmmm Enidia blushes
Shintoko Akahoshi	Posted - 2004.05.01 18:02:00 - [16] Nope, stargates cannot be locked. These folks can (assuming they feel like it) chase you around and camp the gates, though, to try and gank you. Feel free to contact me in game, though, and I can give you some tips on avoiding these things... Good job standing up to these folks, too, by the way! There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense
Leno	Posted - 2004.05.01 20:39:00 - [17] ok sence no one else seems to want to explain this to u, here is basically how it works: Alliances in 0.0 space camp gates and keep people out of the space that they "claim" so as to keep people out for various reasons. These reasons are ussually like to keep u from mining the valuble minerals there that they want for themselves, or to keep scouts out for any type of attack. There are many alliances in 0.0 space, this alliance this guy is part of sounds like a bunch of nobodys in my opinion and i would bet that they dont have 300+ ppl. In the end they dont want u flying in that space b/c they have worked hard to secure it, and want to keep it safe to mine and so forth, and if u want to explore, feel free, but dont be upset if ppl want to kill u, ur in 0.0 space and are a risk of breaking their security. --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
Shintoko Akahoshi	Posted - 2004.05.01 21:58:00 - [18] She raises some really good points about ownership of the stargates and stations, though. Most alliances that spring up in 0.0 do so because of the infrastructure already there which (ic, at least) has presumably been put in at least partially by public funding. In the case of JQA, for instance, I have occasionally put in at various stations to buy trade goods. These stations were built (and are owned) by corporations like Ishukone that really have nothing to do with the space-closing alliances that have formed on those areas. When I visited to buy trade goods, Ishukone was happy to have me dock and buy goods, while various JQA folks were at the same time showering me with threats. I can understand an alliances desire for security, and to prevent people from "strip mining" "their" minerals, but most of these alliances operate with an entirely too heavy hand. There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense
Ronyo Dae'Loki	Posted - 2004.05.01 22:15:00 - [19] Wait... JQA Alliance? In Syndicate? I thought another little alliance had sprung up, 3rd or something. So... who's claiming Syndicate these days, really? Or are different groups just claiming constellations? ------------- My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants. I <3 ( . Y . )
Kin Hanyerec	Posted - 2004.05.01 23:26:00 - [20] Edited by: Kin Hanyerec on 01/05/2004 23:31:55 well any alliance that will try to close to everyone the syndicate region will have serious problems with FA, NORAD, and Arcadia alliances that need to go through syndicate from their claimed space to empire Originally by: Ezra Edited by: Ezra on 01/05/2004 14:55:15 What to NORAD or AA say about this supposed "JQA Alliance" in their territory, threatening people that pass through? i think they arent aware of that yet. It may end with a war if JQA doesn't contact those alliances asap
BARONFS	Posted - 2004.05.01 23:39:00 - [21] JQA and 3rd mission are small alliances, jqa seems to have problems with control, they have a choke (xs-xay) that is rarely ever camped, and they don't have enough people online to actualy protect what they have. 3rd mission on the other hand has a small region which they constantly camp and while they do this, they seem quite freindly (to my experience at least). I can go on with details, but if you want details eve-mail me and i might get back to you. To those of FA, N.O.R.A.D. etc. they pose no threat at present as thier space is away from pf and fd.
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.05.01 23:47:00 - [22] JQA claims the JQV5-5 constellation, hence the name and possibly also MK7-A0. They do have a good presence there most times and the claims are quite modest, we still don't recognize claims to sovereign systems but some are easier than others to tolerate. I seriously doubt any of the mentioned alliances would have a problem with these people unless of course seeking it for problems sake. The JQA do battle frequently with the 5-10 rogue outfits roaming Pirates Alley, the stretch from Orvolle to Pertnineere and as such gets all the hassle they need. A word of advice to the vigilante thinking about going there teaching them manners, it may not be them at all you get to lecture. Convert Stations
Airpizza	Posted - 2004.05.02 03:24:00 - [23] THere are containers around the sg's leading into the space saying the rules. Not our fault u didnt follow em
Liz Bathory	Posted - 2004.05.02 04:27:00 - [24] what of those of us that don't recognise any alliance's right to claim space? or to restrict travel in said sapce? I don't recognise any such territorial claims space should be free for all to travel, as they wish
Jezzebell	Posted - 2004.05.02 04:36:00 - [25] Oh look!!! ANOTHER alliance, wonder how long before this one is torn to shreds by CA or M0o or Corp 1 or Zombie (take your pick) or perhaps Cow or teddybears will put you out of our misery, hell with n00bs like that one guarding the area its even possible that Xetic may come up and gank you. _______________________________ "Hey, watch this!"
Kerosene	Posted - 2004.05.02 04:43:00 - [26] Since no-one else has responded, I'll respond unnofficially. JQA and 3rd Front are the active alliances in syndicate. As you've guessed they are up and coming alliances. I believe I can speak for both alliances when I say that we're trying to carve out a niche in syndicate. Generally people can explore, look around, npc hunt or whatever but mining tends to tick the alliances off because there are very few high end ores there. Both alliances have, and will work together very well and why we've not merged yet is beyond me. Both alliances are still growing, that's why maybe the KOS thing is being banded around a little too readily but with lots of pirate corporations around (Killer Clowns, Corp 1, DNA just to name 3) we have to be quite vigilant at all times. Disclaimer: I'm in 3rd Front alliance, my views may not represent JQA :) In regards to the chatlog, maybe that was a little heavy handed but you were being a bit*****y and non-compliant. If you'd tried being a bit more diplomatic then I'm sure it would have been sorted. [ 2004.05.01 10:24:11 ] Enidia > problem? [ 2004.05.01 10:24:38 ] Nache1 > you have 4 min to leave [ 2004.05.01 10:26:05 ] Enidia > but im not finshed sightseeing [ 2004.05.01 10:26:44 ] Enidia > whats your problem anyway? That sets the tone completely for the response you'd get.
Kerosene	Posted - 2004.05.02 04:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Jezzebell Oh look!!! ANOTHER alliance, wonder how long before this one is torn to shreds by CA or M0o or Corp 1 or Zombie (take your pick) or perhaps Cow or teddybears will put you out of our misery, hell with n00bs like that one guarding the area its even possible that Xetic may come up and gank you. They keep trying...
Shintoko Akahoshi	Posted - 2004.05.02 05:47:00 - [28] Originally by: Airpizza THere are containers around the sg's leading into the space saying the rules. Not our fault u didnt follow em Funny, that. First time I ever went up into that area of space (to pick up some cargo I'd already purchased) I saw the cans and followed their instructions. I called out my intentions in local and went about my business. The folks in local declared that I was KOS for being in "their" space, regardless of what I was doing. That sort of behavior doesn't really encourage people to follow your "rules"... There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense
Righteous Fury	Posted - 2004.05.02 05:53:00 - [29] yays for more unknown alliance bull****, KOS really means nothing these days. After all, they have to catch you first.
Avernus	Posted - 2004.05.02 08:07:00 - [30] Edited by: Avernus on 02/05/2004 08:11:13 Bah, was going to write about my experience with them, but will just say that I'm not impressed with JQA's social skills.
Gan Ning	Posted - 2004.05.02 08:35:00 - [31] Never heard of JQA, I hope their 30 secs of fame wont cause the naughty pvp corps and alliances to roll on in there and kill them all for fun... Oh well, good luck all, and well done to the newbie for being brave.
Winnux	Posted - 2004.05.02 10:35:00 - [32] Actually, what's your point? I saw two idiots whining to eachother, wasting eachothers time. First idiot who tries to preach his view on EVE. Other idiot who goes along in the discussion. Ok, how do we deal with this crap? An example: [ 2004.05.01 10:24:38 ] Nache1 > you have 5 min to leave Give a fair warning. If he's smart enough he'll turn back. If he wants trouble he'll stay. [ 2004.05.01 10:26:05 ] Enidia > but im not finshed sightseeing [ 2004.05.01 10:26:44 ] Enidia > whats your problem anyway? [ 2004.05.01 10:27:45 ] Enidia > ok i tell you what [ 2004.05.01 10:27:58 ] Enidia > answer three questions of mine [ 2004.05.01 10:28:07 ] Enidia > YES or NO only [ 2004.05.01 10:28:14 ] Enidia > and one bonus quesiton at the end [ 2004.05.01 10:28:17 ] Enidia > then i'll leave [ 2004.05.01 10:28:47 ] Enidia > k? He wants trouble, so starts his preaching. [ 2004.05.01 10:29:07 ] Nache1 > Time is up Time up, is time up. End of discussion. KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM Set corpstanding to -0.0 for player and move on. Problem solved Don't waste to much words on these fellas, they just keep on coming back cause they wanna be semi-intellectual bullsh*t talkers who believe space should be free for all and no one can dictate what they can or can't do. Solution: don't dictate, just shoot. Are you a pirate cause of this or a griever? Hell no, you just keep the virmen out of your region. You warned him, period. He choose to ignore it and must deal with consequences of that decision. Don't whine about death, kos or other crap, just do it. If you have to spend 10 mins on each idiot who comes around who wants to tell you what he thinks about you, you can just log on to read chats all day long. Only real reason people understand in the end is repression. But be ready to deal with the counterattacks, if you can't, then you're probably not ready to own territory anyway.
Nache1	Posted - 2004.05.02 11:12:00 - [33] Edited by: Nache1 on 02/05/2004 11:17:47 Well here is the first part of that local chat . [ 2004.05.01 09:58:43 ] Nache1 > Hi Enidia , what can we help you with today ? [ 2004.05.01 10:22:07 ] Nache1 > Enidia , how can we help you ? this is Jqa controled space [ 2004.05.01 10:22:33 ] Enidia > im sightseeing [ 2004.05.01 10:23:12 ] Nache1 > sorry no sightseeing , please leave , you have 5 min to leave [ 2004.05.01 10:23:24 ] Nache1 > other wise you will be kos [ 2004.05.01 10:24:11 ] Enidia > problem? [ 2004.05.01 10:24:36 ] Nache1 > you have 4 min to leave [ 2004.05.01 10:26:07 ] Enidia > but im not finshed sightseeing [ 2004.05.01 10:26:47 ] Enidia > whats you problem anyway? [ 2004.05.01 10:27:47 ] Enidia > ok i tell you what [ 2004.05.01 10:28:00 ] Enidia > answer three questions of mine [ 2004.05.01 10:28:09 ] Enidia > YES or NO only [ 2004.05.01 10:28:16 ] Enidia > and one bonus quesiton at the end [ 2004.05.01 10:28:21 ] Enidia > then i'll leave [ 2004.05.01 10:28:49 ] Enidia > k? [ 2004.05.01 10:29:04 ] Nache1 > sorry time is up , you are now kos [ 2004.05.01 10:29:37 ] Enidia > kos? dont you even talk or you're all just friefers and pirates? [ 2004.05.01 10:30:03 ] Nache1 > you were given 5 min to leave you didnt , so now your kos [ 2004.05.01 10:30:24 ] Enidia > um can you not talk for yourself? [ 2004.05.01 10:31:23 ] Nache1 > I am talking , but what Im saying isnt geting to you [ 2004.05.01 10:31:46 ] Enidia > answer what i ask you then [ 2004.05.01 10:31:58 ] Nache1 > sorry end of talking [ 2004.05.01 10:32:04 ] Enidia > simple as that and i'll leave [ 2004.05.01 10:33:13 ] Enidia > the choice is yours, talk to me and i'll leave, dont and i'll stay, and the decision is yours, prove you are not pirates and griefers [ 2004.05.01 10:34:15 ] Nache1 > hmm maybe I dont make myself clear ........you had 5 min to leave ( you didnt ) , you will be kos ( kill on sight to all of Jqa alliance ) and you still didnt leave . I inforce the rules of the space , if you cant handle that then get a good clone !! [ 2004.05.01 10:34:40 ] Enidia > whats JQA? [ 2004.05.01 10:35:01 ] Nache1 > JQA alliance [ 2004.05.01 10:35:07 ] Nache1 > JQA conts [ 2004.05.01 10:35:14 ] Nache1 > we control this conts [ 2004.05.01 10:35:17 ] Enidia > what do you do? threaten people? [ 2004.05.01 10:35:24 ] Nache1 > no I kill people [ 2004.05.01 10:35:36 ] Nache1 > if they dont listen to the rules [ 2004.05.01 10:35:47 ] Enidia > whoose rules? [ 2004.05.01 10:35:52 ] Enidia > your rules? [ 2004.05.01 10:35:59 ] Nache1 > JQA Alliance rules [ 2004.05.01 10:36:00 ] Enidia > what makes your rules special over anyone elses? [ 2004.05.01 10:36:37 ] Enidia > did JQA build the stargate here? So there is the whole chat now , not just a part of it . You are right Winnux .
dabster	Posted - 2004.05.02 11:30:00 - [34] [ 2004.05.01 09:58:43 ] Nache1 > Hi Enidia , what can we help you with today ? [ 2004.05.01 10:22:07 ] Nache1 > Enidia , how can we help you ? this is Jqa controled space [ 2004.05.01 10:22:33 ] Enidia > im sightseeing That did a helluva difference actually, now Enidia looks like the arrogant one instead ___________________________ Chicks dig Brutor's
Recnac	Posted - 2004.05.02 12:23:00 - [35] Edited by: Recnac on 02/05/2004 12:28:26 the alliance is no secret, feel free to pop into the jqa forums over at http://www.trippin.34sp.com/eve/ and as for people that wander down, they are always asked to leave in the best possible manner, but those that dont start off with the smack talk and thats where the fun starts for us, like everyone else we are just trying to make the most out of eve
Ithildin	Posted - 2004.05.02 12:36:00 - [36] Originally by: Liz Bathory what of those of us that don't recognise any alliance's right to claim space? or to restrict travel in said sapce? I don't recognise any such territorial claims space should be free for all to travel, as they wish Then by all means do recognise that it's 0.0 space, where anything goes. Alliances are different from other people because they give you a warning first, generally. Bah, it's not about recognition of territorial claims. If you do not recognise someones claims to a region, then by all means ignore their commands and go there! Do not complain to anyone about getting shot down, though. You invited it. If you do not recognise someones claim to space, you do not recognise your own right to travel there safely, either. So, if you dislike people grouping into alliances so that they might claim a region of space and reap the rewards there, please do write that in Bio. Makes all that time waiting for a response unnecessary, so an alliance patrol may just shoot on sight. Oh, and KOS lists are all fine and well, but to go around telling people "you are on KOS list" is rather funny. Just shoot them down if you put warning beacons at entry gates to your space. -- If TC causes you discomfort that you feel is unwarranted or may be outside TC's current contract - contact me, please.
Zeraph Dregamon	Posted - 2004.05.02 13:19:00 - [37] Originally by: Negotiator KOS list is a joke anyway...nobody checks it EVER. I like my DNKOS better anyway, at least i remember it... GH-SC
Elal Deril	Posted - 2004.05.02 17:29:00 - [38] Edited by: Elal Deril on 02/05/2004 17:30:24 Quote: Funny, that. First time I ever went up into that area of space (to pick up some cargo I'd already purchased) I saw the cans and followed their instructions. I called out my intentions in local and went about my business. The folks in local declared that I was KOS for being in "their" space, regardless of what I was doing. That sort of behavior doesn't really encourage people to follow your "rules"... Really Funny... That... I remeber your arriving. You were asked 3 times what your intentions were, you refused 2 convo invites, and then were a little rude and off when asked to leave the system. So as for your little 2p's worth I would keep quite, I would consider you more rude than Enida Just trying to enjoy the game and make it safe for the innocents.....
Nafri	Posted - 2004.05.02 17:44:00 - [39] Originally by: Elal Deril Edited by: Elal Deril on 02/05/2004 17:30:24 Quote: Funny, that. First time I ever went up into that area of space (to pick up some cargo I'd already purchased) I saw the cans and followed their instructions. I called out my intentions in local and went about my business. The folks in local declared that I was KOS for being in "their" space, regardless of what I was doing. That sort of behavior doesn't really encourage people to follow your "rules"... Really Funny... That... I remeber your arriving. You were asked 3 times what your intentions were, you refused 2 convo invites, and then were a little rude and off when asked to leave the system. So as for your little 2p's worth I would keep quite, I would consider you more rude than Enida you never met me in space gallente boy Wanna fly with me?
Dexter Rast	Posted - 2004.05.02 18:13:00 - [40] to the individual explorer or rouge pirate, alliances dont mean anything, if in doubt shoot first and ask questions later, controling 0.0 space is all about firepower, rules etc.. dont make any difference, alliances dont have the ability to make law up in their supposed territory, so in the end it boils down to who has the firepower wins, the lone explorer doesnt realy have much to fear, KoS`s are handed out at a whim and your best bet is to treat everyone you come accross as KoS or RoS ---------------------------------------------
Valan	Posted - 2004.05.02 18:39:00 - [41] Edited by: Valan on 02/05/2004 18:46:32 Wrong thread
Shintoko Akahoshi	Posted - 2004.05.02 22:28:00 - [42] Originally by: Elal Deril Edited by: Elal Deril on 02/05/2004 17:30:24 Quote: Funny, that. First time I ever went up into that area of space (to pick up some cargo I'd already purchased) I saw the cans and followed their instructions. I called out my intentions in local and went about my business. The folks in local declared that I was KOS for being in "their" space, regardless of what I was doing. That sort of behavior doesn't really encourage people to follow your "rules"... Really Funny... That... I remeber your arriving. You were asked 3 times what your intentions were, you refused 2 convo invites, and then were a little rude and off when asked to leave the system. So as for your little 2p's worth I would keep quite, I would consider you more rude than Enida Nah, first time I went there I was the model of politeness and civility. After that experience, I reverted to "stay quiet and ignore the locals" mode... There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense
Beringe	Posted - 2004.05.03 00:34:00 - [43] JQA claims are modest, and out of the way. Honestly, if you don't like big alliances, you shouldn't have a problem with us. That is all. ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
Mitchello	Posted - 2004.05.03 03:21:00 - [44] JQA are pretty cool, they and LFC's allaince are currently in combat with Corp 1 and Killer Clowns. Nasty fighting all around :/
Miz Cenuij	Posted - 2004.05.03 06:23:00 - [45] 300? Bah, you wanna be in my shoes. Lol. "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Roy Faulker	Posted - 2004.05.03 07:12:00 - [46] Originally by: Kerosene Since no-one else has responded, I'll respond unnofficially. JQA and 3rd Front are the active alliances in syndicate. As you've guessed they are up and coming alliances. I believe I can speak for both alliances when I say that we're trying to carve out a niche in syndicate. Generally people can explore, look around, npc hunt or whatever but mining tends to tick the alliances off because there are very few high end ores there. Both alliances have, and will work together very well and why we've not merged yet is beyond me. Both alliances are still growing, that's why maybe the KOS thing is being banded around a little too readily but with lots of pirate corporations around (Killer Clowns, Corp 1, DNA just to name 3) we have to be quite vigilant at all times. Disclaimer: I'm in 3rd Front alliance, my views may not represent JQA :) In regards to the chatlog, maybe that was a little heavy handed but you were being a bit*****y and non-compliant. If you'd tried being a bit more diplomatic then I'm sure it would have been sorted. [ 2004.05.01 10:24:11 ] Enidia > problem? [ 2004.05.01 10:24:38 ] Nache1 > you have 4 min to leave [ 2004.05.01 10:26:05 ] Enidia > but im not finshed sightseeing [ 2004.05.01 10:26:44 ] Enidia > whats your problem anyway? That sets the tone completely for the response you'd get. As far as I am concerned you can all go choke on your own anti matter. You can kill others and others can kill you but your claims on moral relevance are all moot. Die!!!! you lazy laggards. ================================ Roy Faulker CEO InterPlanetary Defense Network ================================ Caldari Nationalist Death to the Gallente! Vince Aut Morire
agentsmitty	Posted - 2004.05.03 07:25:00 - [47] JQA are a great bunch of people, when me and 2 of my corp mates wandered into their space for some ninja mining they were polite and pointed us in the direction of an out of the way system with plenty of good ore. Good fortune JQA.
XeQtR	Posted - 2004.05.03 08:11:00 - [48] The JQA alliance right to that space lies simply in the fact that they can either A: Kill you if you trespass or B: Make you believe they can and thus keeping their space relativelly clean. Your right is to run around there avoiding them all day long if you want to. It's really that simple. No morals needed. No "did you build the stargate" questions needed. If they find you and kill you they'e in their right. If they don't, you win.
Randuin MaraL	Posted - 2004.05.03 12:50:00 - [49] Edited by: Randuin MaraL on 03/05/2004 13:04:02 Originally by: Enidia ...explorers in their shuttles.... Taken this, you exploring in a shuttle, plus the fact you show no corporation here in the forums (will have to check ingame then), I compute you are a) an experienced player or his alt -and/or- b) not simply sighseeing but intel gathering. Whatever, not my business, just wondered. Reading the rest of the stuff here ... I also wondered why there was talking about "4 minutes to leave", and then "5 minutes are over" (in what you quoted), dear explorer. Well, after reading the full log, we know why. You know what, I cheer to your nice PR spin attempt, was worth a try. But, as said, not my business. ____________________________________________________ Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die. MEDUSA veteran, Khumaak Award winner

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