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Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.18 08:09:00 - [31] Originally by: kworld Edited by: kworld on 18/05/2008 02:39:27 The People that are complaing about Empyrean Age are prob the people with no lives at all that want to spend another 5 years doing the same thing well so what im sick of all the crying on the forums about it and i bet a lot of other people feel the same way, Get over it or quit eve that simple because this patch is going to happen so end the moaning threads. meh whatever. being a merc (in my case), means that stuff will always be the same: some guy pays to blow ** up, we blow up, and we collect the contract fees after we blow enough ** up. not seeing it changing in the foreseeable future (Empyrean Age). actually, the ensuing chaos will be healthy for business. what worries me more is how will be the new ships and how balanced will be the navy issue ships. --- Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.05.18 08:56:00 - [32] What is there to complain about? A direct hit to one of the core defining aspects of this game, the player driven universe. Hell yeah! Bring it on!
Jakus Cemendur Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.18 09:09:00 - [33] Originally by: Jack Gilligan Not going to do that, mate. By excluding alliances from faction warfare, here is what's going to happen: 1. Existing empire players will be lured to places they are vulnerable with little consequence (lowsec) by the content. They will be going to static areas that are well known. 2. They will be fodder for existing pirates AND alliance players ****ed off by their exclusion from faction warfare. Griefing these people will be done as a statement, and indeed, as a method of in game protest. 3. Within weeks if not days everything involved in this expansion becomes irrelevant because the empire carebears who DONT pvp in the existing game (because they are too inexperienced or don't like it) realize that they aren't protected by CONCORD and will repeatedly DIE horribly to pirates if they engage in faction warfare. 4. This could be mitigated if alliances were brought in. Want this to be a bridge to real pvp? What better than to have empire players already have standings towards pvp 0.0 alliances based on the fact that they are supporting the faction that an alliance decides to throw in with? This would be a given, since any alliance wanting to participate in faction warfare would naturally be penalized for shooting blues declared to the same faction in the battle areas... All in all, I hate to say it, but CCP has made a huge blunder with this expansion. They are literally doing a Star Wars Galaxies here, they are adding something based on a target audience that doesn't exist... They are making a pvp expansion aimed at those who DONT pvp, who aren't READY for pvp, and those who will NEVER pvp, while thumbing their noses at those who... PVP. What would be more productive would be to deal with the players CCP has, instead of the players they wish they had. Fact of the matter is, there is a certain percentage who will NEVER leave empire, and who will NEVER want to pvp. Only way they can change that is to alter pvp so that it alienates those who do pvp. This expansion is a step in that direction. What CCP needs to do is add things for those who won't pvp under any circumstances, and for those who live under the current alliance system who only want to pvp. This expansion satisfies neither. Well actually I PvP, am I'm looking forward to this expansion immensley. I don't have the time to do the whole 0.0 thing, that was one of the big reasons I left the alliance I was part of. With FW there will be the chance for small gang PvP without spending hours roaming round looking for people to fight. I will love that, and I'm sure there will be other PvPers who will love it for the same reason. I'm sure there will be lots of pirates camping the low sec areas and podding newbs, but it's not restricted to low sec, and it won't just be newbs taking part. With the help of the PvPers who will play FW, those newbs won't remain newbs for much longer. And frankly the whole "0.0 alliances are going to grief people playing FW to protest being exlcuded" probably highlights why CCP excluded alliances in the first place, because it would be alliance players massacering people getting into PvP and so ironically denying themselves new recruits. I mean the whole point of FW is to try and get more people into PvP, which can only be a good thing for 0.0 alliances as people playing FW look to move onto the end game of EVE as you will, 0.0.
Nicholas Barker MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.05.18 09:12:00 - [34] Originally by: Scopa Outta Perhaps if you checked the alliance rankings and counted the number of people that are actually in alliances, you'd realize that a relatively small % of the eve population is actually at this so-called "end game." If you actually paid attention to the dev communications, you'd realize that they want to get MORE people to said "end game." funny thing is 0.0 is actually safer than low sec. ---
Augeas	Posted - 2008.05.18 09:33:00 - [35] Quote: And frankly the whole "0.0 alliances are going to grief people playing FW to protest being exlcuded" probably highlights why CCP excluded alliances in the first place, because it would be alliance players massacering people getting into PvP and so ironically denying themselves new recruits. I mean the whole point of FW is to try and get more people into PvP, which can only be a good thing for 0.0 alliances as people playing FW look to move onto the end game of EVE as you will, 0.0. Lowsec is the endgame. 0.0 is carebear heaven, with the odd smattering of blob.
Granmethedon III The Wild Hunt Pure.	Posted - 2008.05.18 09:37:00 - [36] Here's the thing; CCP have said themselves that they're trying to use this as a way to get more people into 0.0; it's a bridge between the two. So why are they forcing the people already there to have to leave their 0.0 alliance in order to take part? If anything, all that will happen is the 0.0 population will decrease as the people who want smaller gang pvp join faction warfare; and those who don't want to pvp will continue to not want to pvp and be completely unaffected. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Your optimism is an inspiration to us all... I think I just trolled against my own company though...
Chavette'd'Bling	Posted - 2008.05.18 09:48:00 - [37] Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Well actually I PvP, think you missed his point right there .
Jakus Cemendur Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.18 09:52:00 - [38] Originally by: Chavette'd'Bling Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Well actually I PvP, think you missed his point right there . Well what I got from his post was that because there will be lots of new people taking part in PvP because of FW that they will be put off by the ganks etc. by low sec pirates. My counter point was that there will likely be enough PvPers interested in FW to be able to deal with low sec pirates, or at least make them less of a problem. Plus with experienced PvPers taking art in FW they can help teach those new to PvP and help make them better at it, resulting in more competent PvPers, and then you've got more people able to deal with low sec pirates. ------
Something Random Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.05.18 09:56:00 - [39] 0.0 alliances already have there own factional warfare with each other. This expansion is to bring a little flavour of the warfare 0.0 alliances enjoy currently to the mission runners and young characters in empire. An offering up of the so called carebears to come and try the war thing and actually see what its like. Why cant you understand that ? Its only going to be good for the game in the end as it acts as a first stepping stone into the pond of pvp which all of you claim to want to see more of. The content available to 0.0 players is vast, you have your toys alreaqdy and have been enjoying them for years now. Just look forward to your new recruits, already versed in the dark arts through the struggle for their chosen empire. The only people who genuinely lose out are the role playing alliances who obviously would love to join the fray. These guys i feel sorry for but im sure their imagination can find themselves a role to play in the end. I cant wait to see how it all pans out really. It has the potential to be a very exciting edition to the game.
Chavette'd'Bling	Posted - 2008.05.18 10:05:00 - [40] Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Originally by: Chavette'd'Bling Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Well actually I PvP, think you missed his point right there . Well what I got from his post was that because there will be lots of new people taking part in PvP because of FW that they will be put off by the ganks etc. by low sec pirates. My counter point was that there will likely be enough PvPers interested in FW to be able to deal with low sec pirates, or at least make them less of a problem. Plus with experienced PvPers taking art in FW they can help teach those new to PvP and help make them better at it, resulting in more competent PvPers, and then you've got more people able to deal with low sec pirates. What i read in his post was that CCP have spent a lot of time and energy developing this to encourage people to PvP, this is where it fails there are people in eve who will never ever PvP ever no mater how enticing it is. if they did want top pvp ther e have been factions doing pvp since day one why didnt they join them ? because they dont want to pvp.
Jakus Cemendur Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.18 10:40:00 - [41] Originally by: Chavette'd'Bling What i read in his post was that CCP have spent a lot of time and energy developing this to encourage people to PvP, this is where it fails there are people in eve who will never ever PvP ever no mater how enticing it is. if they did want top pvp ther e have been factions doing pvp since day one why didnt they join them ? because they dont want to pvp. Well of course there will never be those who will PvP, we can't expect everyone to do so. However I think FW will encourage those who are bored of missions(I mean they are really boring), but who are put off PvP/low sec by stories about pirate ganks etc. In FW there will be a lod of other people on their side in the area who can help them, and so help them work out how to beat those and get them into PvP. Plus with FW sounding like it will have missions that involve going into enemy territory it sounds like it will mean more fun missions. And frankly that's the main appeal of FW to mean, it sounds like it will be fun. Easy to find PvP involving small gangs and with some RP involved as well. I'm sure it won't be perfect, and will have it's problems, but I think it's a good thing. ------
Crunch Miasma	Posted - 2008.05.18 10:48:00 - [42] Originally by: Chavette'd'Bling What i read in his post was that CCP have spent a lot of time and energy developing this to encourage people to PvP, this is where it fails there are people in eve who will never ever PvP ever no mater how enticing it is. if they did want top pvp ther e have been factions doing pvp since day one why didnt they join them ? because they dont want to pvp. I can think of many possible reasons why someone might not want to join existing alliances but might still have an interest in PvP; for such people (including me, tbh) this expansion might be interesting. I agree with the "roleplayers have been shafted" sentiment though. At this time it seems like a costly choice is facing them, but for no clear reason. I haven't read any counter to the point that corporations can exceed an alliance in size, and still join. Is there one?
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2008.05.18 10:53:00 - [43] Originally by: kworld Edited by: kworld on 18/05/2008 02:39:27 The People that are complaing about Empyrean Age are prob the people with no lives at all that want to spend another 5 years doing the same thing well so what im sick of all the crying on the forums about it and i bet a lot of other people feel the same way, Get over it or quit eve that simple because this patch is going to happen so end the moaning threads. Whaa whaa whaa... Ur just as bad as te people complaining It might be awesome, hell i hope it is awesome, but this is ccp, so expect a ton of covered up (and usually also a lot of pointless) nerfs on top of the great factional warfare thingy. _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Ruah Piskonit Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.18 10:57:00 - [44] I still have not seen a proper defense of why exluding alliances is a good idea. . . ----
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.18 11:02:00 - [45] Originally by: Ruah Piskonit I still have not seen a proper defense of why exluding alliances is a good idea. . . The simple point that it upsets/annoys alliances should be sufficient. It is in my book. Frankly CCP needs to exclude any character that is in an NPC corp as well. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y Owing to lack of Eve-related content, signature removed. If you would like to discuss this, please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.18 11:05:00 - [46] Originally by: Ruah Piskonit I still have not seen a proper defense of why exluding alliances is a good idea. . . Cause there isn't one ________________ God is my Wingman
Futtbucker	Posted - 2008.05.18 11:15:00 - [47] what is complaing? The title scares me@
decoherance Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.05.18 11:55:00 - [48] Originally by: Chavette'd'Bling What i read in his post was that CCP have spent a lot of time and energy developing this to encourage people to PvP, this is where it fails there are people in eve who will never ever PvP ever no mater how enticing it is. if they did want top pvp ther e have been factions doing pvp since day one why didnt they join them ? because they dont want to pvp. Im a fairly new player. I want to pvp. I joined RedvsBlue and it was mostly purple ops and blobs, I didnt get much pvp, it was boring, I left. I joined a 0.0 corp, we got station camped 23/7, it was boring, I left. I joined a low sec corp, everyone wanted to be friends, I didnt get any pvp, it was boring, I left. So now I roam high sec baiting people or asking for 1vs1's. FW is for people like me, and there's a lot of us. The truth is, I dont want to go and join some big alliance to be at the bottom of the ladder, having to log on at certain times for op's only to wait around for hours before I can use use my warp scrambler for a few seconds before getting blown up. Being a tackler for some big alliance and working my way up the ranks over time dosnt appeal to me, whereas FW does. FW isnt for the big 0.0 alliances, its for the little man like myself to get into pvp without all the hassle.
Kvaell Minmatar Terra Incognita Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.05.18 12:04:00 - [49] Originally by: Amastat The sooner the expansion, the sooner nonsense whine threads polluting the forums are gone - or at least the doomsday ones. If you have been following this forum for even a span over a few weeks, there is daily ridiculous whines on pretty much anything in the game. After the release the whiners will complain about something else. __________________________________________________ Terra Incognita, mare nostrum
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.18 12:08:00 - [50] Originally by: Ranger 1 Just relax, see what happens, use an alt to participate for now and assess how well or how badly faction warfare is implemented. Yep, thats right, actually help get things to the point where alliance participation is possible rather than throwing tantrums. This, this is what we should do. Thatis the short version of what I was saying in this thread. I will certainly throw an alt into faction warfare, RP it up as part of the militia and generally have a laugh and make this all work out. I will also be attacking Amarr militia pilots in low sec. This is not griefing, this is not a protest. It's role playing. The Amarr are my enemy, their militia is my enemy. See, Eve has non-consensual PvP and non-consensual RP, business as usual. Rockin'
Major Death Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.05.18 12:21:00 - [51] I envy the pirate corps who are going to have a turkey shoot when FW starts up. CCP did say they wanted to improve the game for Low Sec pirates! My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;) CCP say 'Shut up about bugs and eat your eye candy!'
kworld Gallente modro CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.05.18 13:25:00 - [52] Edited by: kworld on 18/05/2008 13:29:16 If anything this patch will bring noobs and pvpers together on the same side to fight. And why would people pirate in low sec and lose sec status when they can do it and not lose sec status after all people camp low sec to get action and well ccp is bringin the action without having to camp low sec. And no 0.0 alliacnes are going to suffer apart from losing there members get over it, people play the game for fun not for your enjoyement.
Jaden Corral Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.05.18 13:51:00 - [53] Originally by: Gwendion I say its perfect revenge for the cowardly tactics the Caldari used in the first war. Revenge for terrorism! Down with Caldari! And to indoctrinate their children from an early age spouting lies about this terrorist killing innocent Gallentaen and Caldarians alike as some sort of National Hero? Its disgusting. Disgusting. Cowardly? terrorism? the actions of the Gallente were little better, and at least we didn't come running for peace with our tails between our legs like some slaver hound the minute we thought we were in trouble, Tovil-Toba was and is a great hero of the state, he saved millions, and any Caldari killed during his attack on the Gallente homeworld would have gladly died in order to revenge Caldari Prime! Originally by: Havok Dryke The Gallente were just minding their own business, when the Caldari rammed a station into them. Shh! people aren't supposed to know! ------------------------------- http://www.save-evetv.com/
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.05.18 15:12:00 - [54] Originally by: kworld Edited by: kworld on 18/05/2008 02:39:27 The People that are complaing about Empyrean Age are prob the people with no lives at all that want to spend another 5 years doing the same thing well so what im sick of all the crying on the forums about it and i bet a lot of other people feel the same way, Get over it or quit eve that simple because this patch is going to happen so end the moaning threads. wtf do you care what people complain about or not. I'm tired of **asses like you complaining about what shouldn't be complained about... bucker off **hat. seems you have your own complaining to get over. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.
Feilamya Minmatar Pelennor Swarm	Posted - 2008.05.18 15:53:00 - [55] This expansion is not an expansion. It is a rollercoaster built into a sandbox. Spread the word. I don't want CCP to keep using the word "sandbox" in their presentations without feeling at least a little bit guilty for this latest crime they did to their own product and the community.
Idaeus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.19 03:51:00 - [56] Originally by: Jaden Corral Cowardly? terrorism? the actions of the Gallente were little better, and at least we didn't come running for peace with our tails between our legs like some slaver hound the minute we thought we were in trouble, Tovil-Toba was and is a great hero of the state, he saved millions, and any Caldari killed during his attack on the Gallente homeworld would have gladly died in order to revenge Caldari Prime! Considering the Gallente citizens and the troops the Gallente landed on Caldari Prime, it wasn't the massive orbital bombardment people keep trying to make it out to be. It was kinetic strikes against viable military targets in an effort to retake the planet. Unlike the Caldari strikes against CIVILIAN population centers.

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