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Mistress Milana
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.06 00:05:00 -
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I am trying to learn pvp but thought RvB might be worth it. What do you think? Will I learn alot about pvp mechanics? Will people teach me how to fit ships? I want to ultimately be good at soloing and small gangs in low or nullsec. |
Draco Rosso
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2012.03.06 03:26:00 -
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yes |
Xpaulusx
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.03.06 04:23:00 -
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RvB is probably one the most convenient ways to start PvPing. Buy yourself a bunch of Rifters and read this: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/wensley/The_Rifter_Guide_Solo_PvP.pdf |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
580
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Posted - 2012.03.06 04:25:00 -
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absolutely, yes. We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
Deanne Sheriff
Big Japan
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Posted - 2012.03.06 04:38:00 -
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I wonder how much they paid for that EVE Online advert? |
Derth Ramir
Hellion Evolution
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Posted - 2012.03.06 05:41:00 -
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Deanne Sheriff wrote:I wonder how much they paid for that EVE Online advert?
Probably not at all. Most likely ccp and one their attempts to bring in more people. |
Deen Wispa
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.06 05:56:00 -
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RvB is fun if you want on demand pew.
If, however, you
a) are turned off by contrived environments (can't be podded, it's hisec arranged fights) b) dislike blob warfare (gotta love those rifter blobs they got going on) c) aspire to be a solid combat pilot in truly dangerous situations
then you need to look at other options than RVB.
If you want to learn how to solo or do small gang in non-controlled environment, RvB is not the place to do it.
Otherwise, RVB is a solid institution for the market it serves.
If you want Empire and FW space enhanced, Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66900&find=unread |
Xi 'xar
Mise en Abyme
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Posted - 2012.03.06 07:13:00 -
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RvB is good fun and can teach you a lot. Agony Unleashed courses are also excellent and are relatively cheap. The best thing however, is just to fit up a few T1 frigates and get out there and give it a go. http://reduplication.wordpress.com/category/explore-low-sec/ http://reduplication.wordpress.com/category/live-low-sec/ http://mrsnypes.blogspot.com/2010/07/burnt-lands.html
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2012.03.06 08:16:00 -
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Best thing about RvB is the immediate, 23/7 easy access to PvP. Most of the time all you need to do is undock, and it's on.
It's mostly small ships so not everything you learn is directly applicable elsewhere, but you'll still learn a lot about ship-to-ship combat and it's great fun. Outside RvB, however, most of PvP is not about ship-to-ship combat, it's about the preparations, being aware of events outside grid and trying to control the unknown factors.
RvB is also very casual, however, and doesn't really constitute a complete Eve experience, people come and go so the ties between corp members are rather loose. |
Stacy Blackoak
Der Tobende Mob
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Posted - 2012.03.06 13:40:00 -
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The best people you will ever meet in Eve. Go for it. |
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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
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Posted - 2012.03.06 13:59:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:If you want to learn how to solo or do small gang in non-controlled environment, RvB is not the place to do it.
You can always ask for - and receive - 1vs1 to the death or only to the hull, something that might be hard to come by elsewhere.
As for controlled environment, yes, there is a certain truth to it, but on the other hand, with a perma-war going on (and usually 3rd party wardecs on top of that) you will probably get at least SOME situational awareness... I guess its more of the baby-step-approach as opposed to the jump-into-the-cold-water-approach.
Unbanned since 2011.10.20. |
Kingwood
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.03.06 14:37:00 -
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Xi 'xar wrote:RvB is good fun and can teach you a lot. Agony Unleashed courses are also excellent and are relatively cheap. The best thing however, is just to fit up a few T1 frigates and get out there and give it a go.
Agony will only teach you how to roll with dual Falcons every fight they're in. |
Kirith Vespira
Border Zone Excursions
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:34:00 -
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I was in RvB for a while when blob tactics ruled, but overall it was a good experience. |
Ahrieman
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:14:00 -
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Derth Ramir wrote:Deanne Sheriff wrote:I wonder how much they paid for that EVE Online advert? Probably not at all. Most likely ccp and one their attempts to bring in more people.
From what I've heard, nothing at all. I think it's a great move by CCP to advertise ways for brand new players to find pvp corps. The hardest thing for a new player trying to start pvping is finding a corp that will take them and have action/opportunities for pvp once there. Sig tanking is the new black |
Deen Wispa
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:12:00 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:If you want to learn how to solo or do small gang in non-controlled environment, RvB is not the place to do it. You can always ask for - and receive - 1vs1 to the death or only to the hull, something that might be hard to come by elsewhere.
Certainly. Though, I find the pervasive culture of KM whoring plus RvB blobbing is too much for most new combat pilots to resist. For a new pilot learning the ropes, it can create a false sense that you actually know what you're doing. So they almost always go with the blob and kill whatever rather than wanting to challenge themselves and grow as a combat pilot.
I did recruit one guy who had a short stint in RVB and like the rest of his KB, he was purely looking for 1v1 and avoided the blobfest. But I think he's more the exception than the rule If you want Empire and FW space enhanced, Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66900&find=unread |
Dirk Magnum
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:28:00 -
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I left RvB about five months ago after spending more than a year on the Blue side. No one corp can give you the complete Eve experience, but RvB covers a lot of ground and is great for casual players. They also do roams in Low Sec and sometimes in Null, and they get wardecced from time to time as well. The T1 frigate swarms are just one aspect of RvB PVP, and the most conveniently accessable. It's also a great way to learn to FC, if you participate in all the various PvP options RvP has going.
I highly recommend them for new players wanting to get into PVP, definitely. Older players getting burned out with whatever they've been doing in-game should also give RvB a look. It was a giant in-game morale boost for me when I joined. Didn't even feel butthurt when I clumsily lost my Arazu within five minutes of first arriving in the home system. My mistake for thinking newbs in frigates would be pushovers. "For example, if you are thinking about selling a Republic Fleet Firetail as a regular Firetail, be sure that the market volume is high on regular Firetails and that there are plenty of buy/sell contracts for Republic Fleet Firetails. [...] The players most interested in Republic Fleet Firetails are going to be players flying regular ones."-á -- PB |
Faith Lincoln
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.07 11:16:00 -
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I joined RvB some days ago. Since then I joined 2 fleets and chatted with some of the ppl there. Sure it's too early to call it a success, but I've much fun and already started to lern a lot.
Not all of what I learned whay taught on purpose but some mistakes I made were soo obvious that I got it myself. But I don't think I'd noticed if I'd tried to have solo pvp.
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Valerius Anthar
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:02:00 -
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I've been in it for about two days so far. It's been pretty fun, only issue I've noticed so far is the killmail whoring culture where people are encouraged to blob to get in on a virtual killmail. In all fairness though, there are an awful lot of anti-frig fits as can be expected, especially on other faction frigs and assault frigs, which makes roaming around without a blob in a standard Incursus or Rifter quite dangerous. I expect I'll be blobbing for a few weeks or so until I have the isk/skills to fly something that won't get ripped apart by Drams or Comets, etc. |
Sinderblock
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:44:00 -
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Valerius Anthar wrote:I've been in it for about two days so far. It's been pretty fun, only issue I've noticed so far is the killmail whoring culture where people are encouraged to blob to get in on a virtual killmail. In all fairness though, there are an awful lot of anti-frig fits as can be expected, especially on other faction frigs and assault frigs, which makes roaming around without a blob in a standard Incursus or Rifter quite dangerous. I expect I'll be blobbing for a few weeks or so until I have the isk/skills to fly something that won't get ripped apart by Drams or Comets, etc.
Recently reactivated after a few years off and am considering doing the red vs. blue thing again. The thing that kind of turned me off to it the last time I played is the large numbers of really expensive ships that were roaming around. Is this still the case (it is hard not to blob when you are undocking a merlin vs jags or drams)? Also are the sides balanced at the moment or does one of the sides need more numbers? |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
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Posted - 2012.03.07 19:34:00 -
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RvB isn't bad for people to get started in pvp as it teaches you getting used to lose ships.
I'm pretty sure you can also learn a few basics beyond that, but when I used to have an alt in it, it was usually a mindless frig and cruiser meatgrinder.
At the time I checked it out it was usually red getting slaughtered and blue looting the field all day long - so the whole thing about FCs adjusting their fleets to keep fights balanced didn't really work at that time. This may ebb and flow and the opposite may be the case today, but it certainly didn't change in a short-time period as you'd expect if FCs matched their fleets against each other. morons- sting like a butterfly and-ápost like a bee. |
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Soporo
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Posted - 2012.03.08 03:38:00 -
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To Op: Yes. Random, possibly helpfull, unsolicited advice forthcoming.
Make sure you have enough isk/ships/fittings BEFORE you join. If needed, pull up Red and Blue on EVE-Kill kb or somehting and check out basic t1 fits. Calculate what all you you want to fly (t1frig and t1cruiser or dessy), get 20 of them, bring them to relevant HQ + ammo+sundry, then put in app and nag daily until you get picked up. Oh, and get a decent mic that will work with EVE Voice, unlike my 10 dolla piece of sh*t.
Ie: don't be the guy in the pvp Ibis (true story actually) flying with the frig gang. I mean, props for balls and tenacity and all, but...
As for the other guys asking about faction stuff, t2 ships, inty's or other pimpness occuring: I didnt see hardly any of that at all, unless it was third party war stuff, then it was gloves off for the most part. Thing is, if you fly pimp, EVERY tom **** and harry in the region wants you on a t1 generated km to admire. Even in just a Harpy or lolGridWhatsThatHawk you get primaried sometimes. Leastways, that has been my experience.
Ps: If you DO fly pimpness, have few pvp skills and have tons of cash, join RedFed. Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H.L. Mencken |
Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
849
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Posted - 2012.03.08 10:52:00 -
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Broadly, yes.
To learn? No.
RvB is certainly an environment where you can learn PVP, but it will not teach you anything. You need to do that yourself.
My experience of RvB consisted of 3 groups of players:
- Meta 0 fit Rifters used in fleets to grind killmails. Failed to see the appeal of orbit @500 + F1 over and over again all day. Fleets are nothing but blob vs blob with someone inevitably whining that Red had a one more destroyer than blue, or blue had a cruiser, that's "worth" 4 Rifters, etc.
- Soloists who used out of corp booster alts and usually flew with slaves. 400mm AB Rifter tanking 10k damage and going 1500m/s? Yup.
- Small groups (3 to 4) guys looking for similar groupd to shoot. This was where I had most fun. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Valerius Anthar
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.03.08 13:28:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Broadly, yes.
To learn? No.
RvB is certainly an environment where you can learn PVP, but it will not teach you anything. You need to do that yourself.
My experience of RvB consisted of 3 groups of players:
- Meta 0 fit Rifters used in fleets to grind killmails. Failed to see the appeal of orbit @500 + F1 over and over again all day. Fleets are nothing but blob vs blob with someone inevitably whining that Red had a one more destroyer than blue, or blue had a cruiser, that's "worth" 4 Rifters, etc.
- Soloists who used out of corp booster alts and usually flew with slaves. 400mm AB Rifter tanking 10k damage and going 1500m/s? Yup.
- Small groups (3 to 4) guys looking for similar groups to shoot. This was where I had most fun. I'm told this has been lost in favour of fleets which, if true, would be sad.
This has been my experience so far.
Don't get me wrong, rifter mass blobs are fun as heck. And I've been having fun in the big fights most of the time. But as for learning anything really useful, not really. I mean, one could argue in nullsec they blob, but there's usually more thought into fleet composition, ranges, etc, and they're even larger, so coordination and fcing require alot of logistics.
The soloists are ok I guess, slightly annoying at times when they warp to 400 km off blue or red hq and expect 1v1s, but only in frigs! Invariably, they end up destroying everything until people realize how much cash he's sunk into that thing and brings along a similarly blinged out assault frigate.
Haven't found any small groups yet. Maybe in low sec there are some, got to watch out for some of the residents though, they have no restrictions on what kind of firepower they can bring to bear, so if you went out in your cheap RvB lolfrig it wouldn't do very well.
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Sinderblock
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.08 15:13:00 -
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Soporo wrote:To Op: Yes. As for the other guys asking about faction stuff, t2 ships, inty's or other pimpness occuring: I didnt see hardly any of that at all, unless it was third party war stuff, then it was gloves off for the most part. Thing is, if you fly pimp, EVERY tom **** and harry in the region wants you on a t1 generated km to admire. Even in just a Harpy or lolGridWhatsThatHawk you get primaried sometimes. Leastways, that has been my experience. Ps: If you DO fly pimpness, have few pvp skills and have tons of cash, join RedFed.
This is good to hear. After looking over the killboards it appears frigs are the primary ship choice. Last time I was in Red Fed there weren't nearly as many participants and a lot of Wolfs, Jags, and other t2 ships were being flown around making it frustrating to fly cheaper stuff (to the point were I sold off all my t1 frigs except for a hand full of merlins . Looks like Red HQ is no longer in Halle so I'll be moving some stuff |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
298
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Posted - 2012.03.08 23:31:00 -
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I think there is some truth in allot of what has been said about rvb.
RvB was a great learning experience and allot of fun for me. And I may go back to it if fw gets stale again.
I mostly did the solo stuff. I would fly relatively expensive ships usually spending about 12 mil for t1 frigate. Although I didn't have pirate implants at the time, and I never used a booster alt for a solo fight. I did get allot of good solo fights when I was there against allot of very good pvpers.
It is true that the rvb environment is somewhat more sterile than the rest of the eve universe. However, that is good in allot of ways. It helps you focus in on how to fit and pilot your ship. This should be your first goal if you want to be a good pilot. You don't want to go looking for solo fights before you know what to do when you find one. Once you have the fitting and piloting down then you can go looking for solo fights in other parts of eve.
FW is really the only thing that comes close to rvb as far as getting allot of fights in a short amount of time. But rvb even beats fw out by a considerable margin when it comes to fights per hour. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
735
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Posted - 2012.03.09 00:02:00 -
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I have an alt in RvB, it owns and I'd highly suggest it. |
GenesisMike
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.09 01:10:00 -
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Everything people have already said is true. TBH it is what you make of it. There are plenty of ppl solo'n at all hours of the day and there are generally people on that are up for a small group run. Any fight.. be it arranged or not can be a learning experience if you make it that. People complain about arranged fights and such but what is the alternative... outnumbering/outclassing your opponent to the extent that there is no real danger? I've done that side of fighting and it seems to be more of a rush to land on grid knowing you are fairly equal in ship classes and it will come down to target calling and individuals utilizing their fits correctly (range and management of the field)
Since I have joined we have also had several 3rd party decks that were fun since usually getting decked by a Neutral RR Alliance is BS. In RVB within minutes we had a 40+ fleet ready to go. Had a blast chaging from RvB to RvB versus everyone else and everyone switching into their shiny ships. All in all RvB has offered regular fights with people of all skill ranges, good fc's who allow others to give it a go which really is fun too. Plus losing a ship in RvB won't get your corp mates rage logging for a few hours then complaining for the rest of the week. Give it a shot if you like.
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Dracoth Simertet
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.09 15:13:00 -
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It's really up to you if you learn from it, while RvB doesn't teach pvp if your the sort of person who likes to dive in and learn things the hard way then it will suit you.
What RvB is about is cheap quick access to pvp, it isn't perfect by any means but it's fun.
If you do join be sure to get all your stuff moved beforehand make some bookmarks/instawarps and put in your application and join the forums.
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Saladin Boneslash
EveMerc's
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Posted - 2012.03.09 16:02:00 -
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I was in RvB for a few weeks early in my career. I honestly didn't learn all that much regarding fleet tactics, or a lot of piloting skills that translate into the open pvp environment, but I did get a decent amount of fighting experience. And it was of some benefit in gaining situational awareness and learning a few things about gate mechanics.
The main benefit that it provided for me, though, was to help get over the nerves factor. While I still get a bit of 'the shakes" sometimes as I'm setting up for wormhole pvp, etc, my short experience in RvB helped me get used to losing ships and being in fights. Risking a T1 frigate in combat is not exactly the same as risking a 250 mill T2 cruiser, but it makes a nice stepping-stone between running missions and that open pvp environment. That in itself is a valuable bit, and I highly recommend a stint in RvB for anyone starting out in a pvp-focused career.
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cratais
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.10 12:49:00 -
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I joined rvb after applying to Agony and being told that I needed more pvp experiance guess 30 kills was to low but in the month or so I been in rvb my kill stats jumped up to 190 kills and 45 losses so while you won't learn any specialized fleet tactics since the typical rvb tactic is find enemy fleet jump into enemy fleet and blow stuff up while hoping your lucky enough to survive then after fights over its gf's in local with both sides going to their respective hq's reshipping and doing it all over again but it is a great place to up your kb stats so if you decide to one day head off to null sec what ever corp or alliance you decide to join can look at your kb and say wow this person isn't afraid of pvp and possibly getting blown up. |
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