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Tyrelia Sako	Posted - 2008.05.18 13:44:00 - [1] I'm planning on getting an Eagle in the near future, but before that I was thinking about flying a Moa in pvp to get a feeling of it. I searched the forums but couldn't find any recent Moa setups. If you have a nice pvp fit on a Moa please feel free to post it here -Tyrelia Sako
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.18 14:39:00 - [2] its because the moa looks horrible... >.>
Darth Kanharn	Posted - 2008.05.18 14:45:00 - [3] Very True, I loved my Moa as a Ship and what it could do, But it looks like a box with legs lol
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.18 15:07:00 - [4] Originally by: Darth Kanharn Very True, I loved my Moa as a Ship and what it could do, But it looks like a box with legs lol You forgot the turkey's head sticking out of the box. _______________ ReiAyanami> We bring you tidings of AARRRRRRRRR
Swiftness Caldari VMF-214 Blacksheep	Posted - 2008.05.18 15:22:00 - [5] If you want to use it a la eagle : his : 250mm rails meds : sensor/tracking mods, maybe a mwd lows : MFS , whatever On the other hand if you plan on actually killing stuff with it , you'd better use close range guns (prolly blasters), a scram and some sort of tank
Inoue Zael Sa'ju Kal	Posted - 2008.05.18 15:25:00 - [6] Heres a beagle of awesomeness: Hi: heavy electron blaster II Mid: Mwd II, web II, disruptor II, LSE II Low: 3x MFS II, DC II Go forth and blasterize
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.05.18 15:36:00 - [7] Problem you've got when blasterizing, is that the Thorax does that so much better. When sniping... well, you're trading fire with larger ships, which considerably more range in the first place, and ... actually because you're further off, you're also easier to hit. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service	Posted - 2008.05.18 17:15:00 - [8] Originally by: James Lyrus Problem you've got when blasterizing, is that the Thorax does that so much better. Which is the problem of the Moa in a nutshell. There is nothing it can do that another ship cannot do better. Even anti-frigate support. A Rail Thorax, a Vexor, or Light Assault Crapacal will do better anit-frig support AND still be useful against larger ships. "Oh but the Moa can pop frigs from like 150km away! Like no other cruiser can do that!" True, but who cares about a frig 150km away, or even 50km away. Frigs can barely target past disruptor range much less shoot that far. (Granted some of the EAFs could be a problem, but they are not common enough to warrant a dedicated frig sniper.) Unless you can alpha the frig (not likely with 550 volley damage) it will just warp off. "Oh but you'll have tacklers holding the frigs in place!" Really? Then there is no point for the Moa because the tackler can just pop the frig. The Moa just plain sucks for a tier 3 cruiser. Only the Maller comes close to the Moa's level of suckiness. But at least the Maller can tank well. Moa can't even do that with only 4 midslots. It's tank is range, and that tank breaks rather easily. Taxman IV: Rogue Agent
Arvald Caldari The School 0f Fine Arts	Posted - 2008.05.18 17:37:00 - [9] Edited by: Arvald on 18/05/2008 17:37:33 [Moa 2, snipermoa] Type-D Power Core Modification: Reaction Control Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II F-12 Nonlinear Tracking Processor, Optimal Range F-12 Nonlinear Tracking Processor, Optimal Range F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Speed 250mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Caldari Navy Iron Charge M 250mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Caldari Navy Iron Charge M 250mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Caldari Navy Iron Charge M 250mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Caldari Navy Iron Charge M [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [Moa 2, blastermoa] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Warp Disruptor II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Heavy Ion Blaster I, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster I, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster I, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster I, Antimatter Charge M 'Malkuth' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Torrent Assault Missile 'Malkuth' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Torrent Assault Missile [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [Moa 2, lolmoa] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Large Shield Booster II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Originally by: Liang Nuren There are no dangerous ships, there are dangerous people. IIRC, you are one of them.
Hanneshannes	Posted - 2008.05.18 17:45:00 - [10] Originally by: Darth Kanharn Very True, I loved my Moa as a Ship and what it could do, But it looks like a box with legs lol It reminds me of a dinosaur. When I was using one to run missions with, I named it Spacedino :D

Minsuki Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.05.19 05:13:00 - [11] Edited by: Minsuki on 19/05/2008 05:15:04 Ion blasters x 5 loaded with null, whatever mwd, web, point, LSE MFS x 2, PDS, DCII Rigs: EM, thermal, kinetic shield resist (2 Mil apiece at market) Drones to taste. Web something, then kite it at the edge of webrange. 7km optimal on blasters is no laughing matter. tbh, if they gave the merlin a third gun, and moved that utility high on the moa and ferox to a mid, that'd entirely fix the caldari hybrid line.
Arkanjuca Caldari Tropa de Elite	Posted - 2008.05.19 05:44:00 - [12] Edited by: Arkanjuca on 19/05/2008 05:45:02 Originally by: Minsuki Edited by: Minsuki on 19/05/2008 05:15:04 Ion blasters x 5 loaded with null, whatever mwd, web, point, LSE MFS x 2, PDS, DCII Rigs: EM, thermal, kinetic shield resist (2 Mil apiece at market) Drones to taste. Web something, then kite it at the edge of webrange. 7km optimal on blasters is no laughing matter. tbh, if they gave the merlin a third gun, and moved that utility high on the moa and ferox to a mid, that'd entirely fix the caldari hybrid line. sorry to disapoint you, but the moa has only 4 gun slots :( when i used that ship, i fitted it with dampeners and kept the range at about 60km, so i could use better damaging ammo... but that was before the damp nerf :( -- Whatever works for you...
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.05.19 05:59:00 - [13] Originally by: Arkanjuca sorry to disapoint you, but the moa has only 4 gun slots :( loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.05.19 06:08:00 - [14] Originally by: Arkanjuca sorry to disapoint you, but the moa has only 4 gun slots :( when i used that ship, i fitted it with dampeners and kept the range at about 60km, so i could use better damaging ammo... but that was before the damp nerf :( Your Moa dealer hates you. I recommend turning him in to the authorities. -Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved.
Caius Sivaris Dark Nexxus	Posted - 2008.05.19 06:32:00 - [15] Originally by: Arkanjuca sorry to disapoint you, but the moa has only 4 gun slots :( when i used that ship, i fitted it with dampeners and kept the range at about 60km, so i could use better damaging ammo... but that was before the damp nerf :( Thank you for your wonderful insight but the ship has been changed since the damp nerf, and got 5 guns as stated in the posted setups.
Ivan Kinsikor Amarr Void Engineers	Posted - 2008.05.19 06:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Lance Fighter its because the moa looks horrible... >.> Because obviously the Caladari have such great looking ships in general ---------------------------------------- *****es don't know 'bout my nano'd Titan ----------------------------------------
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.05.19 06:55:00 - [17] Edited by: Ishina Fel on 19/05/2008 06:55:52 Originally by: Arkanjuca sorry to disapoint you, but the moa has only 4 gun slots :( Ahahahaha. No. ----------------------------- [Moa, does not suck] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Foxfire Rocket Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Core Defence Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x3 ------------------------------------------- This Moa tanks 40% better than a generic blaster Thorax. Thorax does 20% more damage and can scram/web. Or: Thorax does 10% less damage and can scram/web and ECM. All in all, this Moa is pretty decent, if you take it for gang work - considering it has to stand up against the king of short-range gank. For solo it's useless, admittedly.
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service	Posted - 2008.05.19 07:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Ishina Fel This Moa tanks 40% better than a generic blaster Thorax. Thorax does 20% more damage and can scram/web. Or: Thorax does 10% less damage and can scram/web and ECM. Ishina, you are forgetting to mention that the Moa also caps out about 100% faster. Also forgetting to mention that you have to dump about 25mil+ in rigs into it to make it function on par with a generic non-rigged Thorax. Even for gang work, any other Tier 3 cruiser will still out-perform it. The Moa sucks. Taxman IV: Rogue Agent
Ruah Piskonit Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.19 08:21:00 - [19] Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff The Moa sucks. this ----
Arkanjuca Caldari Tropa de Elite	Posted - 2008.05.19 18:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Caius Sivaris Originally by: Arkanjuca sorry to disapoint you, but the moa has only 4 gun slots :( when i used that ship, i fitted it with dampeners and kept the range at about 60km, so i could use better damaging ammo... but that was before the damp nerf :( Thank you for your wonderful insight but the ship has been changed since the damp nerf, and got 5 guns as stated in the posted setups. oh god, i had that in mind, i knew about the ferox, omen and zealot but was in doubt about the moa, then as i was too lazy to open eve, i checked the item database: Item Database: Moa blame CCP webmasters! hides in a corner -- Whatever works for you...

Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.05.19 19:18:00 - [21] There are some terrible Moa fits on this page... Thorax killer: 3x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II 10MN MWD Web Scram Large Shield Extender II 5x Heavy Electron Blasters (do not gimp your crap dps or tank any more by trying to fit anything larger than heavy electrons). Medium Smartbomb (bye bye ECM drones) 3x whatever drones. Ive also swapped out the smart bomb for a heavy assault missile launcher (it does require advanced weapon upgrades IV). Its not easy flying a Moa - but its got such a bad reputation (namely from people flying it with the fits I see above) than you're guaranteed to get some fights. You can spend 9 mil in resistance rigs to boost its survivability. Yep I know you can rig a Thorax too - but the armor tanking cruiser rigs are way mroe expensive than shield tanking rigs. In my opinion the shield resistance rigs cost a mil more than tech 2 hardeners and are really worth it on the Moa. Don't use heavy neutrons or ions on the Moa - you gimp your dps and tank to get it to fit. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Mahn AlNouhm The Bastards	Posted - 2008.05.19 19:37:00 - [22] Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff Originally by: James Lyrus Problem you've got when blasterizing, is that the Thorax does that so much better. Which is the problem of the Moa in a nutshell. There is nothing it can do that another ship cannot do better. Even anti-frigate support. A Rail Thorax, a Vexor, or Light Assault Crapacal will do better anit-frig support AND still be useful against larger ships. "Oh but the Moa can pop frigs from like 150km away! Like no other cruiser can do that!" True, but who cares about a frig 150km away, or even 50km away. Frigs can barely target past disruptor range much less shoot that far. (Granted some of the EAFs could be a problem, but they are not common enough to warrant a dedicated frig sniper.) Unless you can alpha the frig (not likely with 550 volley damage) it will just warp off. "Oh but you'll have tacklers holding the frigs in place!" Really? Then there is no point for the Moa because the tackler can just pop the frig. The Moa just plain sucks for a tier 3 cruiser. Only the Maller comes close to the Moa's level of suckiness. But at least the Maller can tank well. Moa can't even do that with only 4 midslots. It's tank is range, and that tank breaks rather easily. And here, my man presents the entire problem with the sub-BS Caldari line of hybrid ships in a nutshell. There is nothing useful that they can do that can't be done more effectively by another ship. To fix the moa (and the rest of the long range sub-bs sized ships), do one of two things: 1. Make it much, much faster. Scratching the paint off of frigs from a million miles away is only useful if you can scratch paint for a long, long time. It needs to ability to dictate range more effectively than it can. A range advantage you have no hope of maintaining isn't of much use. OR 2. Increase the damage medium and small railguns do to the point where they are useful. Either increase the raw dps they deal, or make the alpha strike something that frigs fear. As is, a moa fit to utilize its bonuses will be ignored until everything else is dead. This is true, again, for all sub-bs sized caldari ships fit to maximize their racial advantage of range. . . .
Pax Empyrean	Posted - 2008.05.19 19:50:00 - [23] Could you rig a Moa to just go a bit faster and stay out of range? Blasters are basically a space knife, and sitting at 8km or so will keep you reasonably safe. I'm not saying that a Moa's a match for a Thorax (or a Rupture, or a stiff breeze for that matter), but if I had to try to take one on, that's how I'd do it. Kill the drones first and stay out of their blaster range. A couple rocket launchers would probably be a good idea.
Minsuki Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.05.19 20:16:00 - [24] Edited by: Minsuki on 19/05/2008 20:19:01 Edited by: Minsuki on 19/05/2008 20:18:41 Originally by: Omarvelous There are some terrible Moa fits on this page... Don't use heavy neutrons or ions on the Moa - you gimp your dps and tank to get it to fit. Neutrons are impossible to fit, but ions let you use that 50% optimal, and as long as you use a pdu, the additional range of ions give you a real advantage over most thoraxes.
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.05.19 23:04:00 - [25] Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff Originally by: Ishina Fel This Moa tanks 40% better than a generic blaster Thorax. Thorax does 20% more damage and can scram/web. Or: Thorax does 10% less damage and can scram/web and ECM. Ishina, you are forgetting to mention that the Moa also caps out about 100% faster. Also forgetting to mention that you have to dump about 25mil+ in rigs into it to make it function on par with a generic non-rigged Thorax. Wrong. I compared it to a triple-rigged ion blaster Thorax with a 1600mm plate. If you want, I'll post the setup once I get back to the relevant computer.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.05.19 23:46:00 - [26] Originally by: Ivan Kinsikor Originally by: Lance Fighter its because the moa looks horrible... >.> Because obviously the Caladari have such great looking ships in general Sure we do. There's the Kestral - that actually looks like it might fly in a mostly straight line. The caracal doesn't make one want to rip out their eyes, the Drake, the Rokh reminds everyone of the Sulaco from Aliens and then you have the Pheonix and the Chimera. Basically, one ship per class is all we get for "ships that look cool". Interestingly enough this tends to square up pretty well with which ships are actually effective also.
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service	Posted - 2008.05.20 00:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Ishina Fel Wrong. I compared it to a triple-rigged ion blaster Thorax with a 1600mm plate. If you want, I'll post the setup once I get back to the relevant computer. Ummm... The Thorax has 3 rigs? With those comparative stats? I think I can go another day without seeing another fail-fit Thorax. Thanks for the offer though. Taxman IV: Rogue Agent
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.05.20 00:09:00 - [28] Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff Originally by: Ishina Fel Wrong. I compared it to a triple-rigged ion blaster Thorax with a 1600mm plate. If you want, I'll post the setup once I get back to the relevant computer. Ummm... The Thorax has 3 rigs? With those comparative stats? I think I can go another day without seeing another fail-fit Thorax. Thanks for the offer though. Rigs on a T1 cruiser are almost epic fail. Hell, even cheap rigs can DOUBLE the cost of a cruiser. . . Still, if it works for the situation, who am I to judge? That being said, sheild rigs, ESPECIALLY resist rigs are substantially cheaper than the armor alternative (thanks to the hoards of Caldari mission *****s I imagine). So, while a thorax may be better in most areas in comparison to a Moa, when you rig them the price factor is most decisively in the Moa's favor. But there seems to be much concern as to the usefullness of the Moa, and indeed it suffers from a similar problem as other Caldari rail platforms. You get all sorts of range and a tank buff only to be OutDPS's in the end by any Gallente ship. I can't say the ship has no role - sniping tackling frigs IS a useful task (just ask the guy desperatly trying to warp out while tackled if he thinks such a thing is important).
Sonderkommando	Posted - 2008.05.20 03:15:00 - [29] I think it looks more like a Fat Metal Chicken
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.05.20 05:17:00 - [30] Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff Originally by: Ishina Fel Wrong. I compared it to a triple-rigged ion blaster Thorax with a 1600mm plate. If you want, I'll post the setup once I get back to the relevant computer. Ummm... The Thorax has 3 rigs? With those comparative stats? I think I can go another day without seeing another fail-fit Thorax. Thanks for the offer though. ...Right. Stay in your happy little world then.



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