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Captain Falcord Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.18 19:09:00 - [1] Edited by: Captain Falcord on 18/05/2008 19:09:45 We killed a cyclone in 2 rifters and 1 griffin. Since we're all pretty new we were happy to have popped it ourselves. When it got down we asked the typical "who's got the killmail" but nobody had it. The guy had self-destructed! Please CCP fix this and give us kill mails when hitting a target that self-destructs, just like when it gets concorded. We would have loved to get a proof from that kill.
DasDizzy Violent Vikings Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.18 20:01:00 - [2] i fully endorse this idea In federate gallente, armor tanks YOU
Fist1	Posted - 2008.05.18 20:04:00 - [3] lol the only reason to self destruct is so you don't get the kill mail durrrrrrrrrr
Alex Salas BROTHERHOOD OF SPARTA Dominatus Phasmatis	Posted - 2008.05.18 20:06:00 - [4] Isn't the concept of a killmail, that you killed him? Not in the process of.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.05.18 20:11:00 - [5] Ahh… time to dust of that good old Planetside saying: If you didn't manage to kill the guy, it wasn't your kill. Why should you get any rewards (of sorts) for not actually killing someone?
ghosttr Amarr Explora Empire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.18 20:26:00 - [6] Self-destructs should not be possible during pew pew then. I think that if someone self destructs you should at least get the kill mail, either that or i dont get a killmail and i get his lootz My Blog
Captain Falcord Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.18 20:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Alex Salas Isn't the concept of a killmail, that you killed him? Not in the process of. Concord? Originally by: Tippia Ahhà time to dust of that good old Planetside saying: If you didn't manage to kill the guy, it wasn't your kill. Why should you get any rewards (of sorts) for not actually killing someone? If you are able to pin someone down, tank/avoid his fire, and break his tank, you fully deserve the killmail. If you forced a guy to self-destruct, you killed him. Period. He just had to surrender and LOSE sooner.
Hennry Fromer radiated space gerbils Shadow Donkeys	Posted - 2008.05.18 20:54:00 - [8] Be careful what you ask for, they could issue a kill mail now. It would go to the person that got the kill shot, the person using self destruct, and you would have a new problem. The next thread would be about mean victims that will not share mail, can't ccp make them?
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.05.18 20:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Captain Falcord If you are able to pin someone down, tank/avoid his fire, and break his tank, you fully deserve the killmail. …but you didn't actually manage to kill him, so no killmail for you.
cal nereus Koshaku Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.05.18 20:59:00 - [10] I believe this was the purpose of the self-destruct: if defeat is inevitable, just hurt the other guys' pride by denying them the kill-mail. It does suck for those who went to all the trouble of putting the enemy in that hopeless situation, but the bottom line is you didn't get the kill, regardless of the effort that went into the attempt. If anything, the guy who died is the one who gets the kill-mail, because he dealt the killing blow. --- Join BH-DL Skills
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.05.18 21:04:00 - [11] You killed him to annoy him. He self-destructed to annoy you. You're annoyed thus he wins. ---- Infiniband can do more than just prevent lag
loony thezoon	Posted - 2008.05.18 23:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Adonis 4174 You killed him to annoy him. He self-destructed to annoy you. You're annoyed thus he wins. You win the thread. qft
Faife Noctiscion Twilight Trade Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.19 00:11:00 - [13] just throwing this out there, not sure if anyone else brought it up, but if you want a killmail you should actually kill him? just saying.
Javiir Soban Caldari Amarrian Religious Reformation Society Exalted	Posted - 2008.05.19 01:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Adonis 4174 You killed him to annoy him. He self-destructed to annoy you. You're annoyed thus he wins. Would you like a kill mail for this thread --- --- --- --- --- My views don't reflect those of my corporation, and definitely not those of my alliance as I don't have an alliance :p .
Ellie Stone Caldari az2ogaming Corporation	Posted - 2008.05.19 01:18:00 - [15] Perhaps I am a little bias but anything that increases the use of Killboards gets our endorsement. Joking aside though, this is a grey area. If you were going to have been able to kill the player had they not self-destructed then credit for the kill is fair enough, however the problem comes in how you calculate if this was the case if you are a database that generates the Killmails. So, taking this into account I think it should stay as it is. Hope this view doesn't result in loss of business ----------------------------------------------------- Az2o Gaming - Hosting Dynamic Killboards
Constance Harme	Posted - 2008.05.19 02:15:00 - [16] Originally by: cal nereus I believe this was the purpose of the self-destruct: if defeat is inevitable, just hurt the other guys' pride by denying them the kill-mail. Or in some rare cases, denying them a carrier/dreadnought.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.05.19 02:38:00 - [17] Originally by: Fist1 lol the only reason to self destruct is so you don't get the kill mail durrrrrrrrrr or no loot, kill mails can be faked, that and when you blow up their mothership, well theres at least 10bil down the drain i really wouldnt mind not having a killmail if you don't have a mothership anymore
Jmanis Catharg Caldari Stickler inc	Posted - 2008.05.19 02:45:00 - [18] Posting in a "My E-Peen got damaged" thread.
Iridescent Moon Caldari Iridescent Dawn	Posted - 2008.05.19 03:06:00 - [19] no
Zobiana	Posted - 2008.05.19 03:34:00 - [20] Self destruct is there for a reason, to prevent YOU from getting a reward from ganking someone. If you can't kill them within the 2 minutes it takes to self destruct... oh well. Z
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.05.19 04:02:00 - [21] I honestly have no idea why Self Destruct was instituted. I doubt it was so you could stop someone from getting the killmail though. It was probably simply because 'we're a space game, we've got to have it.' The only time I ever use it is to pod-jump somewhere. And I've not done that in a long time. Frankly if you're under fire you shouldn't be able to initiate self-destruct. _______ Pirating 101: A Basic Course
Fist1	Posted - 2008.05.19 04:52:00 - [22] Edited by: Fist1 on 19/05/2008 04:52:17 Originally by: Zobiana Self destruct is there for a reason, to prevent YOU from getting a reward from ganking someone. If you can't kill them within the 2 minutes it takes to self destruct... oh well. Z If you gank them and cannot kill them in 2 minuets, you suck as a ganker and don't deserve the kill mail end thread/
Winterblink Body Count Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.19 04:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Adonis 4174 You killed him to annoy him. He self-destructed to annoy you. You're annoyed thus he wins. Post of the week right here :) warp drive active \| nature vraie
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.19 06:05:00 - [24] I think self destruct is legal if you are target jammed from start and have to sit there for 10 minutes watcing your ship run out of hitpoints Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
Captain Falcord Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.19 11:39:00 - [25] Edited by: Captain Falcord on 19/05/2008 11:39:09 Originally by: Fist1 Edited by: Fist1 on 19/05/2008 04:52:17 Originally by: Zobiana Self destruct is there for a reason, to prevent YOU from getting a reward from ganking someone. If you can't kill them within the 2 minutes it takes to self destruct... oh well. Z If you gank them and cannot kill them in 2 minuets, you suck as a ganker and don't deserve the kill mail end thread/ That depends. If you kill a dreadnought in your t1 frig (comical example) Doesn't matter if you spend 3 hours, you're a hero. And what I don't like is the fact that concord-helped kills get killmails and self-destruct ones don't. Either remove ones or introduce the other.
Braaage eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.05.19 11:42:00 - [26] Why should you be able to self destruct when being blown apart? Remove the ability to self destruct when under fire (dons tin foil hat and flame suit). -- All about POSs, Outposts, Exploration, Mining, Invention, EVE Database + much more!!
Johnny Gurkha Maleficus Cruentus Interfeci	Posted - 2008.05.19 11:43:00 - [27] We had a -10 Hyperion jump into high sec just to stop us getting the KM. **** happens, move on, find another victim... MCI Recruitment
Captain Falcord Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.19 11:45:00 - [28] Originally by: Adonis 4174 You killed him to annoy him. He self-destructed to annoy you. You're annoyed thus he wins. Good one :) Just wanted to make clear me and my friends are not annoyed, and I'm not whining in any way, just discussing a game feature we don't like. We sincerely don't care about that cyclone killmail, we know we killed it and we had a lot of fun. We would have liked to have that proof, as a hunting trophy, but world is not ending if we don't get it.
Sunbird Huy Yarrtards With Epeen	Posted - 2008.05.19 11:53:00 - [29] self destruct's should have a separate killboard, centralised with CCP's server, and with ships and people that were shooting it when it popped... and have that list come with the most shameful self-destructs, like top ten with weekly edition...at least some recompense for the pvp-ers that put effort of aggroing the victim.
Ioci Gallente Ioci Exploration	Posted - 2008.05.19 11:55:00 - [30] Originally by: Ethaet The entire point of self destructing is to deny the mail/loot. It should stay that way. Don't like it? Bring more dps. ] Oddly enough, that's the reason I like SD. 11 man blobs popping my mission Drake don't deserve KM's. I've never gotten the whole mail farming crap to begin with so if I don't get one, I really don't care. It would suck to be the OP but knowing how well gank me factor works and that the Cyclone was no doubt jammed, set up to rat and never had a chance, I can't feel that bad.

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