(... stuff about comparing incarna to previous expansions ... )
I mean seriously. What exactly are you defending here?

We haven't had a genuine expansion since Apocrypha and its fairly easy to compare what we get now with what we had before:

This is what an expansion looks like

This is what we got this summer

Incarna

It doesn't matter how much you spin it: 2.5% over 30 months is still flat as hell.

This argument doesn't work since the client has the option to turn off the loading of station environment.

Me again..

LINKAGE HERE!

LINKAGE THERE!

LINKAGE EVERY WHERE!

GRAPHS!

NUMBERS!

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You guys are all mathematical geniuses, how come you are all still playing EVE?

Shouldn't you be analyzing the stock exchange - with all that brain power?

Eve has died ever year I've been playing. Every expansion has been the expansion that will kill Eve. Every patch is the final straw that will break the camel's back. Every promise is a lie, and every suggestion is a promise, and no plan may ever change.

When the sky does finally fall, my ship will come down with it, and not a moment sooner.

i prefer a healthy 2.5% over a boom of 25% with the associated problems on a setup thats not supposed to grow that fast ;)

Really, when the argument gets to the point where you find yourself saying things as dumb as this

Yes, I agree, saying that 2.5% growth isn't actually growth is pretty dumb.

I do as well, that's why I didn't actually say it. I also think that lying about what people have actually said is even dumber.

0.8% annual growth is as near to flat as makes no difference - especially when the trend this year isn't growth but contraction. It is definitely an unacceptable growth rate when the amount of resources that have been expended on these ill-considered, unwanted, shamefully wasteful expansions (Dominion, Tyrannis, Incarna) is taken into account.

I do as well, that's why I didn't actually say it. I also think that lying about what people have actually said is even dumber.

unacceptable growth rate when the amount of resources that have been expended on these ill-considered, unwanted, shamefully wasteful expansions (Dominion, Tyrannis, Incarna) is taken into account.

you are indeed totally right with that aspect.
for once, i've been saying for YEARS that i dont need no walking in stations
and that the focus should be on spaceships - however the community of whine,
the same people making posts about how eve is dying now etc.
where the same ones that a year ago, half a year ago etc.
have been bitching about CCP not delivering walking in stations...
if i was to make any wishes about what should be done

we talk about supercap rebalance
(not the nerf everything to **** way that alot of people are crying for,
more in making shield / armor more even, and adding NEW SHIPS / Weapons
in roles that allow them to efficiently attack supercapitals). we'd talk about adding PVP and PVE content (New Ships, new Modules, more INTERACTIVE stuff todo)

... and this discussion here isn't about that, is it now?

what you should be focusing your questions on to CCP is.

how come that walking in station is so hard to implement?, Earth & Beyond had that from their launch before eve was in beta.
are people at CCP so inept at programming or have they any programmers left?

we talk about supercap rebalance
(not the nerf everything to **** way that alot of people are crying for,
more in making shield / armor more even, and adding NEW SHIPS / Weapons
in roles that allow them to efficiently attack supercapitals). we'd talk about adding PVP and PVE content (New Ships, new Modules, more INTERACTIVE stuff todo)

Yep fully agree. I want Exodus scale expansions with entire new ship classes, professions, meaningful iteration on earlier unfinished content and stuff you can genuinely get excited about. Thats why I made the comparison between Exodus and Incarna. The difference in content and feature-density is shocking absolutely shocking.

Eve players are amazingly short sighted, at times. As we speak, CCP is working on something never before done in gaming: A cross platform, cross genre network of players. Dust 514, if even remotely successful, will be groundbreaking for a number of reasons, not the least of which will be the logistic complexity it adds to Eve, and already complex game. Literally, CCP will have created the first complete sci-fi war simulation ever conceived.

And yet I am almost entirely uninterested in Dust 514 because its been revealed its a MicroTransaction Greed model thing from the ground up and CCP have demonstrated through NeX in Eve they don't have the faintest idea how to deliver such a thing in a way that doesn't insult the intelligence of gamers.

Pay to play per round of Dust ammo? No thanks.

At this point I'm extremely anti-Dust because not only does the proposed payment model fairly reek of money-grubbing profiteering but because it has the potential of corrupting the Eve sovereignty system into a pay-to-win obscenity also.

You can say "hell jade you just don't like change!" and I'll reply: "I don't like change where subscription turns to pay to win and damages the integrity of an established game universe no."

Bottom line. I don't like Pay to win for Eve. I don't like it in Dust either. I don't like the NeX shop and I consider all these things regressive and bad for the game.

Dust 514 will have a system exactly like we have in Eve. Everything you can pay cash for can be bought by simply earning the isk in game. CCP even admits that some Dust players will be spending most of their time playing the market, just we do now in Eve. Dust starts you with free isk and you earn more by playing. It is no different than Eve...except that you start with money already.
Knee jerk reactions have a habit of making you look silly.

I think you are making a lot of assumptions there, but fair enough, so am I. Ultimately we won't know how they intend to run Dust until it roles out but as I said, judging from the NeX experience I don't have a good feeling about the business model.