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Grapez Sky Net Industries Pure.	Posted - 2008.05.20 04:22:00 - [31] Originally by: Cpl Punnishment Edited by: Cpl Punnishment on 20/05/2008 02:48:11 I myself dabbled in Pacifism once.... Not in Nam of course... Awsome. I'd like to add that there's more than a few good points brought up here.
Captain Insomnia Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.20 04:32:00 - [32] Meat & Potatoes Drake setup (where nothing is turned that uses capacitor energy...), I can afk most lvl 4 missions with the whole zone aggro'd, especially if required resists are thermal/kinetic. On a side note, I only fly my drake anymore when I get bored in my Raven and want to plink plink stuff with my hybrid shooting alt... [Drake, Unf, unf] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Scourge Heavy Missile Drone Link Augmentor I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Hammerhead I x2 Hobgoblin I x1
Bartom Dekkar Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.05.20 04:43:00 - [33] As Akita said, it is a naming convention. Me, I would lend some credence to one of the folks who did much of the original research and promotion of passive tanking in the first place: Pottsey. If you really want to make a distinction between the original version of passive tanking and what you feel is the more "pure" version, I suggest doing as Akita does and call it a capless tank.
Leeluvv The Black Ops Black Core Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.20 22:45:00 - [34] My last post on this: "You donÆt heal faster with active hardeners; you take less damage big difference." Err, your recharge rate doesn't change when you turn the hardeners on, but you take less damage so the effect is that you heal faster. This is a simple example from what you typed, but your entire argument is full of inconsistencies like this and you don't even try to understand what I am saying, so I'll quit bothering. Lee == Sig to follow
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.05.20 23:50:00 - [35] Originally by: Hack WIlson i keep getting told to passive tank my drake but how? what is the difference between active and passive and how do i tell what modules are passive when i buy them? how do i use passive modules if they are not actively turned on etc lastly, what skills improve passive tanks? thanks alot A true passive tank is one that does not use cap to sustain itself. This is most commonly done by increasing shield HP through the use of sheild extenders, decreasing shield recharge time through the use of shield rechargers/sheild power relays/core defense field purgers, and increasing shield resistances through passive resistance boost modules. Most passive tanks are not really passive - they simply use shield recharge in the place of a booster and use active hardners. I prefer to call such a compromise "semi-active" because while the shield can be sustained forever with reasonable cap skills, capping out does dramatically harm your tank.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2008.05.21 06:58:00 - [36] Edited by: Pottsey on 21/05/2008 06:57:48 ô Originally by: Leeluvv My last post on this: You sound like you know your wrong and gave up. My post is not full of inconsistencies as I said the person with more resistance has less to heal. You donÆt heal faster in that 10% takes the same amount of time to heal if you have active or passive hardeners. But the one with more resistance has less. How is that inconsistent? Generally speaking it goes like this. Two pilots with the same setup and skills, one has active and one passive hardeners. The Pilot with higher resistance shields stabilise at 60% in combat. Guy with lower resistance shields stabilise at 50%. Combat over both heal at the same speed. Going form 60 to 100% takes the same amount of time for both pilots only one pilot will be behind as he starts from 50%. But technically both heal the same speed as both take the same amount of time to heal from 60 to 100%. One pilot has more to heal, but he still heals at the same speed as the other pilot. I understand you fully; itÆs you who doesnÆt appear to understand me. You telling me I am saying things that I am not. ô Originally by: Leeluvv you don't even try to understand what I am saying, so I'll quit bothering.ö I do understand, I donÆt agree. There is a diffrence from not trying to understand and not agreeing. I do understand what youÆre saying, your saying I want new definitions that mean all the original passive tanks are no longer classed as passive tanks. Anyone still using those passive tanks today are not really flying passive tanks. Can you not see the problem I have with that? Instead of explaining this you are just picking holes at my post that are not there. ôOriginally by: Derek Sigres A true passive tank is one that does not use cap to sustain itself.ö So the original true passive tanks are no longer passive tanks! The passive tanks that did all the passive tank research and worked out the formulas are not true passive tanks! The passive tanks that got into the news as passive tanks are not classed as passive tanks! The modules which for the most part are only found on passive tanks in the first few years now make todayÆs ships not a passive tanks? How can modules only found on true passive tanks in 2004/2005 make a ship not a passive tank in 2007? Passive tank means you heal passively. ThatÆs it. A passive tank does not mean 100% of all modules are cap free and passive. Any new definitions should not make the original passive tanks no longer be classed as passive tanks. ThatÆs just silly and wrong. ____ ôToo many times. Too many times have the addictions of man destroyed the progress of ages. History is about to fail us again, and deny us the right to walk among you once more.ö
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2008.05.21 09:50:00 - [37] Edited by: Pottsey on 21/05/2008 09:54:29 EDIT: This was a strange double post, it appeared hours after my first post when I wasnÆt at the computer. ____ ôToo many times. Too many times have the addictions of man destroyed the progress of ages. History is about to fail us again, and deny us the right to walk among you once more.ö
Slayed Toys R Us INT0XICATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:30:00 - [38] HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH OMG!!! hahahhahaahahaa ]
adriyel	Posted - 2008.05.22 21:27:00 - [39] Originally by: Pax Empyrean Passive tanking means not using shield boosters...but you won't have to worry about your capacitor running out while you fight. You sir, have never fought a curse. I'll let a proper Amarrian teach you Allah's way sometime. Either that or you've never flown a drake. Equally plausible. Ignore him. You use passive because it has massive sustained DPS tanking. It's just less flexible because you can't tackle/MWD without heavy sacrifices. Better for gang support. Or just in general being really annoying in gang PVP. Nothing to do with not activating modules, cap not mattering, or whatever other nonsense.
Kamen SRBI Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.05.23 20:26:00 - [40] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Passive means that no cap is used. Absolutely NO! Passive means that no shield booster is used while you maximize "Defence rating" (C) EFT. Due to SPR and lack of cap you may op to to use passive rez moduduls, but with good skills and a good setup (Subbing SPRs for PDU where needed) usually you end up with active hardeners. ------------------------------------------------ (Recruiting ad) SRBI regrutuju! Dodjite na nas javni SRBI kanal. Kontakt Soder/Me West

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