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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.05 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: James Lyrus on 05/06/2008 09:26:00
 Originally by: Amastat
Edited by: Amastat on 05/06/2008 06:31:09
(Good Skills + Implants + Eos * Information Warfare Links) + ((Fleet * Evil Minons) * Good Skills + Falcons) = 100% Pure WIN, Cultivated from the Fiery Pits of Hell
And it's this that makes me laugh every time I see a 'OMG EOS SUCKS' whine. In a world where there's also people whining about Falcons, it seems a remarkable number haven't managed to connect the 'electronic warfare defense, offense and range Eos' with this.
But for missioning, it's a bit crap, don't bother. (Much like the other fleet commands)
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achoura
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Posted - 2008.06.05 10:58:00 -
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What i think most ppl here saying warfare link are conveniently forgetting (or more likely don't know from not flying the dam ship) is the hereditary low cpu of gallente ship is only compounded here making it virtually impossible to fit 3 links (like the thing is "built" for) and a survivable fleet setup. If you get something like that post it for the rest of eve plz (faction still wont fit).
The second thing they're forgetting is a falcon can jam superbly, it's not a secret how ott that ship is currently, it doesn't need a command ship boosting it to be lethal. If you take cruiser out with a couple falcons why would any sane fc drag a slow arsed bc that they don't need along and increase their chance of being caught?
CCP boosted ecm to the point where the eos lost it's role (practically), they then realised this and reduced the ewar command mods to compensate in place of reducing the ecm mods instead, moved a mid to a low then decided not to adjust the cpu accordingly.
There are player in eve who flew this ship from day one, there is a reason experienced players of several years all decided to stop flying the sae ship at the same time.
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Gypsio III
Bambooule
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Posted - 2008.06.05 11:07:00 -
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Edited by: Gypsio III on 05/06/2008 11:08:39
Is the fool above me seriously trying to argue that, because Falcons are so powerful, something that boosts them - and the defence to them - even further is worthless? 
The Info links are great. They're certainly far better than the Shield ones.
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Theron Gyrow
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.05 11:16:00 -
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Info links may very well be useful, but is the rather minor boost to those that the Eos gives worth the otherwise inferior abilities? Nothing prevents fitting those links to Damnation, Claymore or Vulture, you know.
(At absolutely maxed skills and the relevant mindlink, the boosts are:
2.75% to range
3.8% to ECCM
2.75% to ECM and TP
1.79% to damp
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2008.06.05 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 05/06/2008 12:35:39
the eos is worth it once you max out the warfare links which is the intended use for the ship besides staying alive.
It was never meant to do damage, and especially not as much as it's field command ship equivalent, the astarte, which is why the eos was dmg nerfed and tank buffed.
same goes for any other fleet command ship. fly it as intended or use the field command ship instead.
therion: the racial 12% bonus (cmd ship IV) to each fitted link with otherwise maxed warfare link skills is _not_ a small bonus, it is a quite significant one that merits using the info links on an eos rather than on another fcs. the whole purpose of the racial ship bonus is so that you can't just use whatever link you choose on just any fcs with same efficiency, you will have to cross train to get the true benefit of each type of link.
furthermore if you want to do it right, then fit a command processor too and a skirmish or armor link along with the 3 info links for optimal performance.
as for the eos tanking abilities, well, the eos tanks nicely but the whole point of it's slightly weaker tank is it's links. when used right your fleet will jam the enemy and thus a lot of your tank will be ecm, so that you don't have to bring the raw tankage like the damnation or vulture does. like the minmatarr speed links, it's a different way to do battle, but a fun one if you use it right. allthough the eos has actually had it's links nerfed a while back because the links were too powerful, it would be foolish to put 3 info links on anything but an eos. you'll risk crippling whatever fleet you bring with you if you put it on a vulture claymore or damnation as the primary links. it's like putting autocannons on a megathron, looks spiffy but the damage doesn't.
but offcourse still if you care at all about your fleet you'll still bring a few logistics to sustain the command ship and the rest of the fleet, so you do not loose the bonuses in the middle of the fight.
but you can't expect to fly an eos into battle, not using the info links, not having an ecm squadron to take advantage of the bonus and jam the targets, and just expect it to tank like a damnation, it's just not happening.
the whole discussion about fleet command ships vs field command ships damage wise is void, they have different roles use them according to that. i know many would like for the fleet command ship to just tank more and still do same damage as field command ship but that's just not happening, if you want the fleet command benefit you'll have to bite the lemon and train up the charisma based warfare link skills under the leadership skill category. or pick the field command ship which is oriented towards pure damage.
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Pirokobo
Orion Academy
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.06.05 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: Pirokobo on 05/06/2008 12:53:27
Even in the fleet command category, there are ships that do the Eos's job better then it does. Specifically, the Damnation.
Skip command ships unless you're planning to use them for their intended purpose. HACs and battleships are more then adequate for firepower.
In the Eos's case, both the Ishtar and the Domi are a better investment if you're just looking for a big bad drone boat on less then a carrier budget.
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Theron Gyrow
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.05 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
therion: the racial 12% bonus (cmd ship IV) to each fitted link with otherwise maxed warfare link skills is _not_ a small bonus, it is a quite significant one that merits using the info links on an eos rather than on another fcs.
The numbers above were the improvements a max-skilled Eos with mindlink gives over another fcs, and I have to confess that I'd consider those pretty small bonuses. Given that the bonuses will stay in the field much longer in any other fcs, I don't really see the reason to use Eos.
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Kusha'an
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.05 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: konkord
Now I wouldnt have believed it if I hadn't tried it myself but hear this out.
Myrmi can solo ANY level 4 mission with ease, with a passive tank. Fit your ship, thusly.
RIGS x 3 core field purger I
Lows = ALL Shield Power Relay II
Mids = All large shield extender (best named) + 1 invuln field (best you can afford or tech II if you can fit with skills
Highs = anything you like really.
This gives you, dependant on your skills, between 500 - 1000 DPS tank. I quite literally set off my myrm orbiting something, aggress then AFK for 30 minutes in missions such as blockade etc.
Ok, so it's not the most exciting ship setup, also pvp it's beyond rubbish because it cannot tackle and is pretty slow. But this is reliable if you want to run level 4's for income to fund a pvp habit. It's superb, its reliable, and it's my ship of choice.
Missions like Blockade will kill your drones while you're eating a sandwich.
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2008.06.05 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 05/06/2008 14:04:51
Originally by: Theron Gyrow
Originally by: 7shining7one7
therion: the racial 12% bonus (cmd ship IV) to each fitted link with otherwise maxed warfare link skills is _not_ a small bonus, it is a quite significant one that merits using the info links on an eos rather than on another fcs.
The numbers above were the improvements a max-skilled Eos with mindlink gives over another fcs, and I have to confess that I'd consider those pretty small bonuses. Given that the bonuses will stay in the field much longer in any other fcs, I don't really see the reason to use Eos.
very good point allthough i can't help but feel we are discussing apples and oranges here.
you are arguing surviveability whereas i'm arguing overall bonus benefit.
clearly the damnation with info warfare links fitted has higher survivability and less reliance on logistics, but on the other hand the eos with it's added racial bonus has a much higher ecm benefit for the fleet and thusly the fleet should be able to jam the other fleet that bit more so that it evens out but offcourse relies more on logistics in cases where the jams don't go through, which makes it more risky to bring in a info link eos because it can go down faster than a damnation.
however all being fair i think due to the info link bonus being to ecm and due to ecm being a very powerful battle neutralizer the eos's tank or lack thereof as compared to the damnation, is appropriate. So i guess flying the eos is a little more ballsy, for better or for worse.
i guess that's what i'm saying theron. your argument is sound, we're just talking about / looking at two slightly different aspects of it.
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Tracy Lord
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Posted - 2008.06.11 12:18:00 -
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EOS tanks great and it delivers pretty ok damage with the rail/drones. If your good at making groups of drones and launch them in groups depending on what you are facing its a great ship. If you fight a fast ship you use 3 heavy web drones and 2 medium ECM drones and you got him pretty soon in your ship web, then you dock the web drones and launch perhaps 3xHammer II or 3x Heavy. You need to be good at making groups of drones and have drone skills to fully appriciate this ship. Its a sneaky ship that is hard to fight against if the pilot is pretty much a veteran. I wouldnt use it for missions though. |
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