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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Haakon Jarl
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
The above numbers are not very encouraging to my eyes.
People with terminal cancer who are not allowed to die is even less encouraging.
Yeah.
And?
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Haakon Jarl
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Haakon Jarl
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
The above numbers are not very encouraging to my eyes.
People with terminal cancer who are not allowed to die is even less encouraging.
Yeah.
And?
'and?'
It seams pretty ******** to use the suffering of whales as an example when you dont give a damn about actual humans suffering. Unless of corse you think whales are more worth than humans
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Haakon Jarl
'and?'
It seams pretty ******** to use the suffering of whales as an example when you dont give a damn about actual humans suffering. Unless of corse you think whales are more worth than humans
Where did I say or suggest I did not care about human suffering?
Besides, those are two unrelated issues. Being for or against whaling in no way implies a position on human suffering.
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Haakon Jarl
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: Haakon Jarl on 20/05/2008 16:40:03
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Where did I say or suggest I did not care about human suffering?
You didn't. But what I do see is countless of thread appearing all over the internets about people who are 'concerned' about whales suffering yet not a single one about people with terminal cancer of other nasty diseases.
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Besides, those are two unrelated issues. Being for or against whaling in no way implies a position on human suffering.
Well that al depends on your reasons doesn't it?
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kyrall
Presumably the vet didn't use enough to kill it quickly in that case, but even with the right amount it wouldn't die quickly. I guess my point is that there isn't such a thing as a "nice" death, and often the most "humane" death can seem brutal to people that don't deal with death a lot, like the majority of humans! These are things that everyone likes to have an opinion on, but are really best left to the experts.
Dunno about that. I had to get my dog put down a few years ago (had a fatal somethingorother illness), and I was there when they did it. They use an overdose of anaesthetic, and he basically went to sleep. Seemed quite happy about it, bless 'im. Seemed a lot more humane than shooting him with an exploding harpoon from a distance, although admittedly I'm no expert in these things...
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Avalira
Caldari
Pax Minor Expiscor Pario Addo
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Posted - 2008.05.20 17:07:00 -
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Why not inject the whale with something that puts it in a deep sleep? That way it doesn't feel anything. Just have to make sure nothing is left when selling the meat.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.20 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Avalira
Why not inject the whale with something that puts it in a deep sleep? That way it doesn't feel anything. Just have to make sure nothing is left when selling the meat.
I'm guessing you'd need a serious amount of some serious drugs to anaesthetise a whale to death. Not exactly economic  |
Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.05.20 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 20/05/2008 17:51:00
Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Avalira
Why not inject the whale with something that puts it in a deep sleep? That way it doesn't feel anything. Just have to make sure nothing is left when selling the meat.
I'm guessing you'd need a serious amount of some serious drugs to anaesthetise a whale to death. Not exactly economic
Not to mention many whales sink when they die. They need to have something stuck in them to pull them to the boat (IIRC some whales float when dead, I think one of the reason the Right Whale got its name was because it floated when dead making it the "right" whale to hunt).
But yeah, for a 70,000 kilo animal I think you would need gallons of anesthetic. Delivery and cost would likely be a problem.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.05.21 13:56:00 -
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I can understand why people would want to hunt whales now days, but that does not mean I like the idea. I just believe that whales are just a little to smart for us to go kill, but I guess if the population is not allowed to be depleted then I guess I have to be fine with it.
The one thing that I hope that does not occur in the whaling industry is baiting.
I hope that anyone whaling does not use sonar to attract whales to get killed, like the dolphin slaughters used in Imperators' video post.
Using sonar to attract whales or other mammals is called baiting. Here in the states it is illegal to bait animals you are hunting. For example you are not allowed to lay salt licks or corn feed out to attract deer to kill.
This would be akin to saying, "hey doggy doggy come here little guy", and when he come you go thud as a crowbar splits its skull. Just not cool.
In defense of the individuals that eat whale, there are societies that eat little puppies, and trust me watching a little puppy get gutted while still alive is not so cool either. People just need to realize that their ancestors that started these "traditions" tended to felt pain from their deaths, revere the animals for sustaining their personal lives, and the hunting cycle was one of the preeminent causes of the religious experience in indigenous peoples.
Slade
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