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Zetaomega333
HIFI INDUSTRIAL
ROL.Citizens
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Posted - 2012.03.06 12:31:00 -
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Herd about this from a friend, Using a Myrmidon to soak belt rats with an active mining ganglink in it. Wondering if anyone has any fittings for one. |
Falkwen
Caldari Navy Operations
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
0
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Posted - 2012.03.06 12:41:00 -
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did you fall out with your friend? |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
Alliance not Found
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Posted - 2012.03.06 13:36:00 -
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The first question is, where are the belts you're trying to do this in? Most mining ships can happily handle the sort of rats you will see in most areas. Guristas and Serpentis in 0.5 might call for someone to tank them simply because of their ewar and the short range and relatively long lock time of barge class vessels.
The second question is, is there a better ship available? Obviously the Orca is the most obvious one because of its link bonus and its ore capacity but it's not necessarily suitable if you've just started a Power of 2 account and, having specced him in leadership, are going to have to wait for a considerable time before training beyond BCs.
Next question is how many are mining? Without the ore hold, corp hangar and ship maint of the Orca the only effect the Myrm will be having is to tank the spawn (which could perhaps be moved to another ship) and a small (initially) cycle time bonus. If you only have two ships in belt then the yield gain you get from fitting the second ship with miners will almost certainly outweigh the increase from the link.
If what you're aiming for is to run a full rack of links to increase tank...etc as well as improving yield then you probably won't have a tank so... |
Zetaomega333
HIFI INDUSTRIAL
ROL.Citizens
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Posted - 2012.03.06 13:41:00 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:The first question is, where are the belts you're trying to do this in? Most mining ships can happily handle the sort of rats you will see in most areas. Guristas and Serpentis in 0.5 might call for someone to tank them simply because of their ewar and the short range and relatively long lock time of barge class vessels.
The second question is, is there a better ship available? Obviously the Orca is the most obvious one because of its link bonus and its ore capacity but it's not necessarily suitable if you've just started a Power of 2 account and, having specced him in leadership, are going to have to wait for a considerable time before training beyond BCs.
Next question is how many are mining? Without the ore hold, corp hangar and ship maint of the Orca the only effect the Myrm will be having is to tank the spawn (which could perhaps be moved to another ship) and a small (initially) cycle time bonus. If you only have two ships in belt then the yield gain you get from fitting the second ship with miners will almost certainly outweigh the increase from the link.
If what you're aiming for is to run a full rack of links to increase tank...etc as well as improving yield then you probably won't have a tank so...
I mine in 0.0 With Sansha rats. I have one hulk and one Rat soaker in a Dom, I do not want to put him in an orca yet but that will be in the future if i do. Yes i know orcas are better, i can handle my own hauling with an ity 5. I have corp boosts when we are on together but often we arnt. So i was wondering for a fit where my myrm can soak rats and have a cycle time mining boost in the highs, a corpie told me about how he used to do it, so i figure **** while im sitting there useless soaking rats might as well boost. |
Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.06 16:40:00 -
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[Myrmidon, mining!?]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Co-Processor II
Command Processor I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Mining Foreman Link - Harvester Capacitor Efficiency II
Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II
Prototype Cloaking Device I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
This maybe? |
GeekWarrior
S0utherN Comfort
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.03.06 17:01:00 -
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soak belt rats? What language are we speaking here? |
Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2012.03.06 17:06:00 -
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GeekWarrior wrote:soak belt rats? What language are we speaking here?
Definitely not leet-speak but he asked and i delivered. |
Sir Lomax
Double-Down
Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2012.03.06 17:10:00 -
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GeekWarrior wrote:soak belt rats? What language are we speaking here?
Not sure if he is trolling or not, but I'll answer his question non the same.
Rats in 0.0 have cycles. Starting with a group of frigs and cruisers. Once they are killed a group of rats spawns slightly more powerful, and once those are killed the rats get progressivly stronger till you have 2 battle ships and 2 frigs, after these are killed the cycle resets, back to the low end damage/ship type.
So a "soak ship" would be a ship that doesn't kill the group of small rats and the miner just mines away while the soak ship holds the rats "intrest". Miners go along unmolested... soak ship gives boost... this can be done indefinatly because the rats will never shift targets.
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Asura Kai
Khanid Astrogeology Consortium
The Empiric Fleet Coalition
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Posted - 2012.03.07 10:40:00 -
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Might I suggest using Brutix instead of Myrmidon. More CPU and Tank. Currently I'm using this setup
Lowslot
Co-Processor II x1
Capacitor power relay II x1
Adaptive nano plating II x1
Damage Control II x1
Medium Armor Rep II x1
Medium slot
Command Processor 1 x2
Cap Recharger II x2
High slot
Seige Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II x1
Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optiz II x1
Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhance II x1
Prototype cloaking Device x1
Rig
Medium Aux Nano pump I x2
Medium Anti-explosive pump I x1
EHP is around 36k with sustained defense around 150. Cap Stable and low cost. You can swap out the Armor rig and armor plating for specific rat. |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.08 04:09:00 -
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if hes tanking sanshas, he may run into neuts, i dont know if sansha belt rats neut, its been a while since i last saw them, but fitting nos to that myrm/brutix and hitting the rats might not be a bad idea if hes really just sitting there,
im not sure if they orbit in range though,
[Myrmidon, Myrmidon fit]
Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization I
Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement I
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Command Processor I
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
N-Type Reflective Membrane I
N-Type Reflective Membrane I
N-Type Thermic Membrane I
Medium Armor Repairer II
Small Armor Repairer II
Co-Processor II
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Sansha (53 em+47therm)
45% cap stable with SAR + ab + neuts off, 260 dps tank @ 159 m/s
+ SAR 5 minutes of cap w/ 391 dps tank
+ neuts (12.6 km range) perma everything @ 391 dps tank + 333 m/s
Or drop the ab for another cap recharger and perma run both reppers with stability at 34%
and of course drones for whatever, maybe 3 web drones to keep a bs from wandering too far or a set of rep drone for the miners if they begin to take aggro. |
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