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Yorlock
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Posted - 2008.05.30 02:08:00 -
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OK, an idea I have on the subject, is a stiff ISK fine and possibly security standing/fation standing loss on some sort of sliding scale based on how fast and how chronic their corp hopping is.
Concord and their factions should both frown upon cowardice.so maybe the devs can come up withf the sliding scale ISK fine (they pay, and pay ALOT to leave or close a war declared corp, and they more often they do it, the bigger the hit)
Losing items from hanger because you left corp or corp lost a war dec just makes it way too easy to prey on one month old players. ( or lets say you took a 2 week vacation and lost a battleship and 2 HAC from your hanger because your corp lost a war that you didnt take part in. I dont think I would care for that at all) This would make game open to massive griefing by opportunistic players looking to farm weaker corps for profits. I mean, they do that now, but material gains should come from ships destroyed and looted, and financial settlements from the corp funds, not seized from the individual players hangers.
I tend to favor the fine, sec /faction standing loss.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.05.30 02:42:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 30/05/2008 02:43:37
* Start off in NPC corp- Skills for a 1 man corp built into players.
* After 2 months, moved into your own one man corp for free - NPC corp is off limits. This corp is wardeccable.
* Free to remain in your one man corp - or indeed join a player corp. Locked into this corp for 7 days then free to join who you want.
* Player ellects to stay in his corp - and gets along fine.
* Player ellects to join another corp - gets along fine
* Player ellects to join another corp - hates it - leaves or is booted into his one man corp - locked into the one man corp for 7 days. Wardec is transferd if applicable to the one man corp.
Whilst being locked into a one man corp for 7 days each time you want to change corps is not particulaly pleasent - It encourages corp loyalty, and discourages random corp hopping (whilst still allowing people to mvoe about)
Corp hoppers to avoid eardecs will carry the war with them to their one man corp - and after it runs out will be wardeccable in their one man corp.
It also deals with people hiding in NPC corps for the purposes of hauling, scouintg, loot thieving, mission invading , suicide ganking, etc without facing any consequences.
SKUNK
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Gwydion Telcontar
Ixion Defence Systems
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.30 05:05:00 -
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Isn't the solution exceedingly simple? Just make it so you can't leave a corp for 7 days after joining. A week is not too long for people to endure, and the aggressor corp can wardec the new corp for atleast 1 cycle.
That will stop the new corp every day bull*, but will still allow legitimate changing of corps.
Who the heck would ever need to join a new corp every day anyway except expoiters?
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El'Niaga
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.05.30 07:13:00 -
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Rather than fighting folks that don't want to, why not find some folks that do?
Otherwise move your lazy *** to low sec or 0.0 and shoot at will.
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Ki An
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.05.30 07:19:00 -
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 Originally by: El'Niaga
Rather than fighting folks that don't want to, why not find some folks that do?
Otherwise move your lazy *** to low sec or 0.0 and shoot at will.
No, we'd much rather mercilessly hunt people who say that we are lazy ass griefers who should go to low sec or 0.0.
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Brother Welcome
Icarus' Wings
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Posted - 2008.05.30 09:52:00 -
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Edited by: Brother Welcome on 30/05/2008 09:53:03
Originally by: M'ing Pai
I don't think any 'just cause' is necessary, because that opens up the mechanics to subjective opinions regarding what constitutes 'just cause'.
You captured my meaning: why should there be any need for a cause? I like a straight answer. We decced X because they annoyed us, we decced Y because they were easy kills for phat lewt. Nexa showed that not all decs are the latter, but many are. So what?
Originally by: M'ing Pai
No, carebears should be offended by themselves for putting their stake in a very Darwinian game...
If EVE were really 'Darwinian' then any tactic that contributed to survival would be a valid tactic.
Originally by: M'ing Pai
The only failure in the mechanics I see is that a group of people can set up 4 alt corporations and make themselves immune from wardecs from 1 corp for a measly 8 million ISK.
Would avoiding a war-dec be okay if it cost more than 8million?
Originally by: Nexa Necis
0.0 is no different than Empire, meaning, that a lot of people die unprepared or unwilling to fight in 0.0 just like in Empire.
Credo.
Originally by: Nexa Necis
Your system is equally failed since another corp can dec the corp paying the tithes to the first corp that dec'd them. What if 5 corps dec them?
I was hoping using a %age would cover this. First dec = 10% of 100%. Second dec = 10% of 90% or 9%. Third dec = 10% of 81% or 8.1%. A better algorithm would somehow do the calculation simultaneously, so that first corp becomes disenchanted with second corp for reducing their cut.
Originally by: Nexa Necis
If you're unskilled, then you probably shouldn't smack talk to people, you shouldn't brag about your officer fitted CNR in local, you shouldn't have a POS you cant defend, and you shouldn't be in a corp named "Destructors of DOOM!!!".
Agreed on that :) We will have to agree to disagree about relative skill levels to the extent that experience and conjecture leads me to reason that most often high-sec war-deccers are better at PvP than their targets, whose skills lie in other areas.
What are your thoughts on dialling up the cost to avoid decs? Or would you support some kind of cooldown on jumping? Or...?
-BW
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.05.30 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Brother Welcome
I was hoping using a %age would cover this. First dec = 10% of 100%. Second dec = 10% of 90% or 9%. Third dec = 10% of 81% or 8.1%. A better algorithm would somehow do the calculation simultaneously, so that first corp becomes disenchanted with second corp for reducing their cut.
Again, the problem is still going to be the "exploiters" who dec a corp with alt corps or something like that.
Then you will also have a situation were war decs will be going crazy if people are guaranteed cash from a corp. There's no practical way to impliment it or make it work in Eve. You can see in your seperate thread a ton of reasons why it wouldn't work.
Originally by: Brother Welcome
We will have to agree to disagree about relative skill levels to the extent that experience and conjecture leads me to reason that most often high-sec war-deccers are better at PvP than their targets, whose skills lie in other areas.
I think you're wrong here again. Tons of 0.0 denizens were carebears in Empire. Just because they transitioned to 0.0 doesn't mean they aquire pvp skills as a rite of passage.
It just means they latched on to a group who has some 0.0 space open for them to use. Moving to low sec or 0.0 does not translate into more skills pvp or otherwise. I mean I sit and watch in alliance chat where you have the same bunch of people who "X" for gang and the same bunch of people who ignore it and keep ratting or mining. They never help pvp and they've been in 0.0 for 2 years.
Originally by: Brother Welcome
What are your thoughts on dialling up the cost to avoid decs? Or would you support some kind of cooldown on jumping? Or...?
Dialing up the costs makes no sense. As I said, people will not pay 20mil to save a 300mil ship. I've seen it tons of times. They would pay 100mil to exploit and avoid a war, but they wont pay a 50mil surrender fee. I'd say 90% of the people we dec do not even try to negotiate. Even when I attempt to offer it to them.
They usually do the same pattern.
Smack talk.
Get war dec'd.
Convo me in an attempt to explain why it's lame for us to dec them and how we will either never kill them, or will be killed by their friends.
I keep the war active.
They smack some more.
They get located.
They get killed.
More smack.
They quit corp or jump to a new one or have the corp jump into an alliance.
Get war dec'd again.
Threaten to petition.
Log out and train a long skill.
We call it the Carebear Playbook in our corp chat.
CCP has a free way to avoid a war dec, NPC corps.
As I have said, I think there needs to be something put in place to prevent the exploitive corp jumping but something that is also fair to the normal player just swapping corps for whatever reason.
I think people should be able to jump out of corp when a war is active. When people jump to NPC corps, that's fine. Again, my only concern is the ones creating the placeholder alt corps to swap to.
I think a 7 day hold on joining/leaving a corp is a good idea. If you're already in a corp for 7 days you can leave it. If you jump into a new corp you're stuck there for at least 7 days before you can jump out again. When you jump out you're stuck in an NPC corp for 7 days.
Any legitimate player wanting to swap corps should have no problems waiting 7 days.
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Brother Welcome
Icarus' Wings
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Posted - 2008.05.30 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Brother Welcome on 30/05/2008 19:41:34
Originally by: Nexa Necis
Moving to low sec or 0.0 does not translate into more skills pvp or otherwise. I mean I sit and watch in alliance chat where you have the same bunch of people who "X" for gang and the same bunch of people who ignore it and keep ratting or mining. They never help pvp and they've been in 0.0 for 2 years.
Actually that's true. I'll stand by my point that the deal with 0.0 is clearer to players, but agree with you that 0.0 doesn't translate into PvP skills for all players.
Originally by: Nexa Necis
Dialing up the costs makes no sense. As I said, people will not pay 20mil to save a 300mil ship. I've seen it tons of times. They would pay 100mil to exploit and avoid a war, but they wont pay a 50mil surrender fee. I'd say 90% of the people we dec do not even try to negotiate. Even when I attempt to offer it to them.
A formal system is likely to change this. Players will feel more comfortable doing it, and they'll know for sure that if they pay they will be free from the dec. Of course, the deccers could go to their alts or an alt-corp and re-dec... TBH I think it sucks that CCP hasn't made all alts in an account members of the same 'family' so that such things carry over. Sure you can have multiple accounts, but that issue applies intractably to a lot of things.
Perhaps payment could be for spans of time like 7-days? I don't see how it would hurt to at least build this option into the contracts system. Those who would use it would use it, and it does no harm to those who do not.
Originally by: Nexa Necis
I think a 7 day hold on joining/leaving a corp is a good idea. If you're already in a corp for 7 days you can leave it. If you jump into a new corp you're stuck there for at least 7 days before you can jump out again. When you jump out you're stuck in an NPC corp for 7 days.
Any legitimate player wanting to swap corps should have no problems waiting 7 days.
I quite like the 7-days idea. No obvious abuse comes to mind. The only downside for CCP is how some players feel if they are forced to sit in a station and train for a week. Denial of play may be a quit point. I suppose they'd just get out their alts...
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Shadow Joy
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Posted - 2008.05.31 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: Shadow Joy on 31/05/2008 01:47:12
Originally by: Brother Welcome
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I quite like the 7-days idea. No obvious abuse comes to mind. The only downside for CCP is how some players feel if they are forced to sit in a station and train for a week. Denial of play may be a quit point. I suppose they'd just get out their alts...
It may be a quit point, but it isn't griefing. Important distinction.
Let's face it - EVE is full of things that may cause someone to quit. And that is how it should be.
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Newbear
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Posted - 2008.05.31 06:25:00 -
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As the self declared carebear representative for all of eve, I blame ccp for this problem. Game mechanics should be changed so war decs are more expensive and immedate, perhaps 1m per hour doubling every 3 hours. This satisfies the empire pie's need for easy kills as a moral booster.
Now that I have solved the problem with pvp, ccp should also provide us bears with war dec immunities that we can buy from concord with the same escilating cost. Like that tv show survivor! Make war an isk sink to counter all the insurance payouts.
Click here for my High Security POS Service
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Ki An
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.05.31 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Newbear
As the self declared carebear representative for all of eve, I blame ccp for this problem. Game mechanics should be changed so war decs are more expensive and immedate, perhaps 1m per hour doubling every 3 hours. This satisfies the empire pie's need for easy kills as a moral booster.
Now that I have solved the problem with pvp, ccp should also provide us bears with war dec immunities that we can buy from concord with the same escilating cost. Like that tv show survivor! Make war an isk sink to counter all the insurance payouts.
Get out!
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Kambien
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Posted - 2008.05.31 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Newbear
Now that I have solved the problem with pvp, ccp should also provide us bears with war dec immunities that we can buy from concord with the same escilating cost. Like that tv show survivor! Make war an isk sink to counter all the insurance payouts.
Easier way to do this is make the war dec something both sides can bid on 1m for corp lvl and 10m for alliance lvl. All bids are taken by concord, even the losers. I mean you are paying for concord to look the other way , seems it should be the highest bidder gets what they want.
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Brother Welcome
Icarus' Wings
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Posted - 2008.05.31 08:54:00 -
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Edited by: Brother Welcome on 31/05/2008 08:54:34
Originally by: Shadow Joy
Edited by: Shadow Joy on 31/05/2008 01:47:12
Originally by: Brother Welcome
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I quite like the 7-days idea. No obvious abuse comes to mind. The only downside for CCP is how some players feel if they are forced to sit in a station and train for a week. Denial of play may be a quit point. I suppose they'd just get out their alts...
It may be a quit point, but it isn't griefing. Important distinction.
Let's face it - EVE is full of things that may cause someone to quit. And that is how it should be.
Would there be any issues with players corps want to get rid of? For example on day 1 a newly joined player smacks corpmates and steals some corp loot. (Yes, I know corp was too trusting, just go with the example.)
Corp wants to get rid of them, but can't for 7-days. Players can individually squelch the smack, but I think corp might still have the problem of going to their POSes and ensuring nothing is left lying around for the next 6-days.
You almost want a corp sin-bin: some kind of title that strips all privileges including access to corp POSes.
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Woodwraith
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2008.05.31 09:09:00 -
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This may have come up already, but my glasses aren't conducive to reading the whole thing.
have a cooldown timer on corp swaps,
from corp A you can release roles and jump into corp B, as is the current mechanic...
but once in, your stuck for some agreed upon amount of time before you can go to another,
it would let people move around the community in a reasonable manner, but you couldnt just air hockey it around the alt list.
im sure a dev could come up with a clever little note about how you cant leave yet until human resources straightens out your health benefits or some such...
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Kelenar
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.01 01:59:00 -
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I feel your pain Nexa--EVE uni keeps running away back to their stations...among other things.
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Patri Andari
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Posted - 2008.06.01 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kelenar
I feel your pain Nexa--EVE uni keeps running away back to their stations...among other things.
Just a thought or two:
Why do high sec pvp corps try to establish such warm and cozy relationships with each other?
Why do they arrange to absorb each other into alliances or agree to Naps?
Why do they not see that they are in fact competitors?
Nexia, when is the las time you war deced Privateers, Sex Panthers, MDK, Veto, Idle Guns, Cruel Intentions, Racketeers or any other noted PVP/merc corp? I bet the PVP would be fabulous. If good PVP is what you guys truly want, why have all these man-love agreements? Fight each other. Good pvp, good loot and no one will corp jump for fear they will be slammed on the forums. But then again I suppose you might actually risk loosing and that is bad for ego and business.
Stop crying about a lack of will to fight. There are plenty of willing targets out there. If you start decing REAL pvp corps instead of tongue kissing them you might find what you claim to be looking for. I suspect what you a truly looking for is not good pvp but easy kills. Hell I would pay war dec fees to see you fight any of the above named corps provided you show up.
Patri
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M'ing Pai
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.06.01 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Patri Andari
Wah... sniff...
Just a thought or two:
Your blathering has nothing to do with the subject of the thread.
Wardecs are a risk you take for forming a corporation: deal with it.
Or don't, and cry more.
Also, post with your main.
If this is your main, blathering in a thread about wardec mechanics from behind the shield of the School of Applied Knowledge is as laughable as smacktalking from within the safety of a station. You have no idea what you're talking about, and obviously have no stake in this at all.
In short, STFU.
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Patri Andari
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Posted - 2008.06.01 21:25:00 -
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Edited by: Patri Andari on 01/06/2008 21:26:57
Originally by: M'ing Pai
Just a thought or two:
Your blathering has nothing to do with the subject of the thread.
Quite the contrary. OP wants war targets that do not run away and for some reason can not solve this problem. I point out what should be an obvious solution. Taking my advice might save some of those tears.
Originally by: M'ing Pai
Wardecs are a risk you take for forming a corporation: deal with it. Or don't, and cry more.
Corp jumpers are a risk you take when you wardec a corp unwilling or unprepared to fight : deal with it. Pot< > Kettle. Or don't and post more tearful post like this.
Originally by: M'ing Pai
Also, post with your main.
If this is your main, blathering in a thread about wardec mechanics from behind the shield of the School of Applied Knowledge is as laughable as smacktalking from within the safety of a station. You have no idea what you're talking about, and obviously have no stake in this at all.
In short, STFU.
I post with my alt because my main has far too much at stake then to risk being ganked by an awesome player (god that name sucks. over compensating for something that is lacking much?) I am an industrialist and I have a stake in high sec wardecs. More importantly you keep throwing out that "Post with your main" garbage to avoid answering questions. Oh and BTW who the hell was talking to you anyway fanboi?
I tell you what, you post with your miner or research alt that way people who want to know can tell how you make your isk, cause it damned sure ain't from PvP if the killboards are to be believed. 
lol: proof of M'ing Pai's Awesomeness.
Patri
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Ki An
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.06.01 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Patri Andari
Quite the contrary. OP wants war targets that do not run away and for some reason can not solve this problem. I point out what should be an obvious solution. Taking my advice might save some of those tears.
You're quite conveniently missing the point entirelly, as I figure might be your goal. The OP is talking about a broken mechanic, and how we can attempt to make do with ingame means in order to correct said mechanic. It has nothing to do with him wanting fights or targets or anything of the like.
Originally by: Patri Andari
Corp jumpers are a risk you take when you wardec a corp unwilling or unprepared to fight : deal with it. Pot< > Kettle. Or don't and post more tearful post like this.
It is true that we have to constantly work around corp jumpers. That is why this thread exists. If you read the OP, it is a proposal to help combat the steady stream of misguided individuals who think this game has consentual PvP.
Originally by: Patri Andari
I post with my alt because my main has far too much at stake then to risk being ganked by an awesome player (god that name sucks. over compensating for something that is lacking much?) I am an industrialist and I have a stake in high sec wardecs. More importantly you keep throwing out that "Post with your main" garbage to avoid answering questions. Oh and BTW who the hell was talking to you anyway fanboi?
You are posting with an alt in order to escape consequences for your actions. Much like the corp jumpers in question in this thread are using a broken mechanic to avoid all consequences for their actions. By posting with an alt you are in fact highlighting the problem quite well.
Originally by: Patri Andari
I tell you what, you post with your miner or research alt that way people who want to know can tell how you make your isk, cause it damned sure ain't from PvP if the killboards are to be believed.
Do you have a PvP alt? If so, post with him.
Originally by: Patri Andari
lol: proof of M'ing Pai's Awesomeness.
You're sure able to use a lot of big words for being so stupid.
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Patri Andari
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Posted - 2008.06.01 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An
You're quite conveniently missing the point entirelly, as I figure might be your goal. The OP is talking about a broken mechanic, and how we can attempt to make do with ingame means in order to correct said mechanic. It has nothing to do with him wanting fights or targets or anything of the like.
Developers never said this was a broken mechanic. You are no developer just a whiner. Forgive me if I do not accept your characterization of this situation. Until they rule on the issue I see it as open to opinion.
Originally by: Ki An
It is true that we have to constantly work around corp jumpers. That is why this thread exists. If you read the OP, it is a proposal to help combat the steady stream of misguided individuals who think this game has consentual PvP.
I detect some spark of brainwaves with that statement. I applaud the OP for offering a suggestion to solve the "problem." All I did was offer some questions and another possible answer to the problem. Dec who you want. But if your track record shows you avoid true PvP corps at all cost and instead Nap them, you have very little to complain about. I hope you are prepared for an answer that does not give you unfettered access to PvP without restrictions. War decs that can not be avoided at all lead to fat happy high sec pirates and carebears that flee. Hmmm sounds like low sec. You listening Mc Fly?
Originally by: Ki An
You are posting with an alt in order to escape consequences for your actions.
Much like the corp jumpers in question in this thread are using a broken mechanic to avoid all consequences for their actions. By posting with an alt you are in fact highlighting the problem quite well.
Are you a Role Player or just a fool. There are no "consequences" one should be expected to incur from posting on this forum other then those imposed by CCP. People post with alts because griefers like you decide on who next to dec by what is said in forums. You do know this is a game right? You do know those corp jumpers pay a subscription to CCP also right? You do have at least a high school education right? Whats next? a proposed mechanic to eject wartargets from stations? I guess you would only support that if they are carebears. Tool
Originally by: Ki An
Do you have a PvP alt? If so, post with him.
Do you have a non- pvp alt? Post with him, tough guy. No on second thought I freaking dare you to reveal all your alts on this forum. Not up to that? Until you do, STFU and stop judging me for not wanting to be griefed.
Originally by: Ki An
You're sure able to use a lot of big words for being so stupid.
I thought my word selection was quite average. Some people are easily impressed I guess
Patri
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Janus Cohen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.02 02:50:00 -
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Edited by: Janus Cohen on 02/06/2008 02:52:12
Well. Most people who are interested in carebearing should be in 0.0 sec. Everyone knows with folks like Nexa running around that it is tons safer. I think people in high sec. are just too lazy to jump to 0.0 sec. But to all those who say a character must stay in a corp during a wardec are foolish. What if you want to fire someone for something? Any good CEO would never give up his right to fire someone........
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Ki An
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.06.02 08:11:00 -
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You seem a bit agitated, Patri. Calm down.
Originally by: Patri Andari
Developers never said this was a broken mechanic. You are no developer just a whiner. Forgive me if I do not accept your characterization of this situation. Until they rule on the issue I see it as open to opinion.
They have said that they are "looking into it" thus at least acknowledging that it's worth looking at. That I see it as a broken mechanic is just a matter of common sense. One side pays to wage war. The other side jumps corp, paying significantly less, to avoid war. The final outcome is that it is much MUCH cheaper to avoid war through jumping corp than it is to dec people. This isn't just a matter of 'griefer' vs 'carebear', as examples have shown that even so called 'griefer' corps will abuse this mechanic and render all merc corps useless.
Originally by: Patri Andari
I detect some spark of brainwaves with that statement. I applaud the OP for offering a suggestion to solve the "problem." All I did was offer some questions and another possible answer to the problem. Dec who you want. But if your track record shows you avoid true PvP corps at all cost and instead Nap them, you have very little to complain about. I hope you are prepared for an answer that does not give you unfettered access to PvP without restrictions. War decs that can not be avoided at all lead to fat happy high sec pirates and carebears that flee. Hmmm sounds like low sec. You listening Mc Fly?
You are saying that Eve players should have a right to play this competitive pvp game without risk for pvp. Yeah, I'm listening, chump. I just think you're an idiot.
Originally by: Patri Andari
Are you a Role Player or just a fool. There are no "consequences" one should be expected to incur from posting on this forum other then those imposed by CCP. People post with alts because griefers like you decide on who next to dec by what is said in forums.
Are you saying that getting decced for smacking on the forums isn't a consequence? Have you studied English at all? It's the very defenition of a consequence. It's got nothing to do with 'griefers' (boy, you like that word, don't you?) and everything to do with speaking only if you are able to back up what you are saying. In RL you can get away with saying almost anything, but in Eve you can expect to get smacked around if you open your mouth when you shouldn't have.
Originally by: Patri Andari
You do know this is a game right? You do know those corp jumpers pay a subscription to CCP also right? You do have at least a high school education right? Whats next? a proposed mechanic to eject wartargets from stations? I guess you would only support that if they are carebears. Tool
Yep, I know it's a game. You do know it's a competitive pvp game, right? Paying subscription money doesn't allow you to play a different game than me. It allows you the same rights and privilages that I have. You are asking for a whole heap of extra rights. Go back to WoW.
Originally by: Patri Andari
Do you have a non- pvp alt? Post with him, tough guy. No on second thought I freaking dare you to reveal all your alts on this forum. Not up to that? Until you do, STFU and stop judging me for not wanting to be griefed.
I'm merely calling you on the fact that you post with an alt in order to smack on the forums without fear of consequences. This is my main. You may dec him if you don't like what I write.
Originally by: Patri Andari
I thought my word selection was quite average. Some people are easily impressed I guess
I'm frankly amazed that you are able to spell 'impressed' with a seventh grade education.
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Moren87
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Posted - 2008.06.02 09:11:00 -
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Average Age 12
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Patri Andari
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Posted - 2008.06.02 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Patri Andari
I detect some spark of brainwaves with that statement. I applaud the OP for offering a suggestion to solve the "problem." All I did was offer some questions and another possible answer to the problem. Dec who you want. But if your track record shows you avoid true PvP corps at all cost and instead Nap them, you have very little to complain about. I hope you are prepared for an answer that does not give you unfettered access to PvP without restrictions. War decs that can not be avoided at all lead to fat happy high sec pirates and carebears that flee. Hmmm sounds like low sec. You listening Mc Fly?
You are saying that Eve players should have a right to play this competitive pvp game without risk for pvp. Yeah, I'm listening, chump. I just think you're an idiot.
You did not address a single issue in my post. Instead you hurl insults and change the subject. War is far too easy to wager and maintain. That mechanic is also being look into as we speak. You seem to think that a change which restricts corp jumpers is coming and you may be correct. What you fail to see is that the change will also most likely reign in GREIFER corps that overuse the war dec system. Thank GOD the Devs are smarter than you. They actualy care to see the game stay around a while.
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Patri Andari
Do you have a non- pvp alt? Post with him, tough guy. No on second thought I freaking dare you to reveal all your alts on this forum. Not up to that? Until you do, STFU and stop judging me for not wanting to be griefed.
I'm merely calling you on the fact that you post with an alt in order to smack on the forums without fear of consequences. This is my main. You may dec him if you don't like what I write.
No! what you did was cowardly back away from the challenge. I submit that your "main" has nothing to loose. I do not have a true PvP alt, only industrial types. I could make one just to satisfy your childish request, but would you then please please please post with one of your industrial alts? Being in the game as long as you have you should have quite a few. Until you do, I will ignore your request mkay?
Patri
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ShadowMaiden
Metal Machine
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Posted - 2008.06.02 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: ShadowMaiden on 02/06/2008 12:13:35
Ok I'll bite
Currently corp hopping to avoid wars is not an exploit but how about his - Had a guy other day isolated from his backup, all his exits covered. He quits corp, undocks and travels back to his HQ, where he promptly rejoins his Corporation. Now if that isn't playing the system I don't know what is.
The only problem with introducing penalties for corp hopping is that you need to incentivise staying in a corp(esp one that is currently at war).
Here's my proposed changes for you to flame at will
- If you leave a corp, you can't join a new one (or make a new) for 24 hours, can't rejoin the corp you left for 7 days (if that corp was in an Alliance, you can't join any corp in it for 7 days)
- Corp set up fees should be increased,at least 30-50 million.
- War dec fees for Corps vs Corps should be 20 million a week, but remove the stacking penalty (keep the 3 dec limit in place though)
- War dec fees for Alliances should be 100 mill a week. (If you're in an alliance you can afford it)
Corporations should not be throwaway entities, you should be made to work together, otherwise why be in one at all?
Laslty, to the carebear Alt parade, WAR DECCCING DOES NOT CONSTITUTE GRIEFING.
SM.
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Ki An
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.06.02 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Ki An on 02/06/2008 13:27:27
Should I take your omission of the rest of my post as resignation on your part then Patri?
Originally by: Patri Andari
You did not address a single issue in my post. Instead you hurl insults and change the subject. War is far too easy to wager and maintain. That mechanic is also being look into as we speak. You seem to think that a change which restricts corp jumpers is coming and you may be correct. What you fail to see is that the change will also most likely reign in GREIFER corps that overuse the war dec system. Thank GOD the Devs are smarter than you. They actualy care to see the game stay around a while.
What is there to adress in that snippet except for what I did adress? It's basically the same old "Pick on targets that wants to fight" bogus that pops up from carebears like you from time to time. And, for the record, I did not insult you. I really think you are an idiot. That's just a statement of fact.
About the part where you claim the devs are looking to reign in the 'griefers', where have they stated as much? I can't find it anywhere, but you must have a nice link for me, right? The Devs are much smarter than me. I am smarter than you, though, and that's all that matters in this little tOt-a-tOt.
Originally by: Ki An
No! what you did was cowardly back away from the challenge. I submit that your "main" has nothing to loose. I do not have a true PvP alt, only industrial types. I could make one just to satisfy your childish request, but would you then please please please post with one of your industrial alts? Being in the game as long as you have you should have quite a few. Until you do, I will ignore your request mkay?
Ok, my alt is Maximillian Bayonette. Now you go.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Maximillian Bayonette
White Lion Manufacture and Salvage
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Posted - 2008.06.02 13:40:00 -
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Comfirming I am Ki's alt. In a deccable corp and everything.
Now, let's see you go, *****.
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Lugs Brannigan
Carebears Must Die Ltd.
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Posted - 2008.06.02 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Lugs Brannigan on 02/06/2008 13:42:30
Originally by: Ki An
Edited by: Ki An on 02/06/2008 13:27:27
Should I take your omission of the rest of my post as resignation on your part then Patri?
Originally by: Patri Andari
You did not address a single issue in my post. Instead you hurl insults and change the subject. War is far too easy to wager and maintain. That mechanic is also being look into as we speak. You seem to think that a change which restricts corp jumpers is coming and you may be correct. What you fail to see is that the change will also most likely reign in GREIFER corps that overuse the war dec system. Thank GOD the Devs are smarter than you. They actualy care to see the game stay around a while.
What is there to adress in that snippet except for what I did adress? It's basically the same old "Pick on targets that wants to fight" bogus that pops up from carebears like you from time to time. And, for the record, I did not insult you. I really think you are an idiot. That's just a statement of fact.
About the part where you claim the devs are looking to reign in the 'griefers', where have they stated as much? I can't find it anywhere, but you must have a nice link for me, right? The Devs are much smarter than me. I am smarter than you, though, and that's all that matters in this little tOt-a-tOt.
Originally by: Ki An
No! what you did was cowardly back away from the challenge. I submit that your "main" has nothing to loose. I do not have a true PvP alt, only industrial types. I could make one just to satisfy your childish request, but would you then please please please post with one of your industrial alts? Being in the game as long as you have you should have quite a few. Until you do, I will ignore your request mkay?
Ok, my alt is Maximillian Bayonette. Now you go.
Lol ,stop behaving like a self-righteous little prat who has to have the last word ffs
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Maximillian Bayonette
White Lion Manufacture and Salvage
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Posted - 2008.06.02 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lugs Brannigan
Lol ,stop behaving like a self-righteous little prat who has to have the last word ffs
Shhh... the grown-ups are talking.
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Matrix Skye
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Posted - 2008.06.02 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Matrix Skye on 02/06/2008 14:03:56
Originally by: Ki An
Now, let's see you go, *****.
Wow, you are tough in internet spacehip games. The army could use people like you .
Any player: "I disagree."
Ki An: "WAT!11? Who's your main so I can KICK HIS ASS NOW!!11!
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