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Scilent Enigma
Vae Victis Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.21 23:12:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Scilent Enigma
I guess reprocessing my poor Cheetah before it is defiled and train for the Amarr Covert Ops is the only thing left to do... 
Why in the world would you want to get rid of a cov ops that goes as fast as an interceptor? Plus going 800+ms cloaked is no joke. 
Take a look at the probe please, take a good look. No stats, however uber they may be, is worth flying a ship that looks like that..
I am very disappointed, I spent the first few months of my EVE career in a probe and I learned to hate the model in so many ways it isn't even funny anymore. And now CCP is changing one of my absolute favorite ships into that... that... I'm not even going to type it... |
Tek'a Rain
Collegium Mechanicae Holding
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Posted - 2008.05.21 23:18:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Zeba
No stats or slots were changed on any of the cov ops just the model. My Cheeta still goes 7000ms on sisi strait from the mirror.
Sad forever. I must go and polish my Helios.. and weep. Changing it into a flying banana AND leaving it as a Failure of the CreoDron Line.. sigh.. |
XLR Eight
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.05.21 23:34:00 -
[63]
Make this small change please on the hulls:
Maulus <--> Imicus
(sisi)Helios <--> Keres
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Lord Barrow
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Posted - 2008.05.21 23:42:00 -
[64]
i like the new helios  |
Zeba
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.05.21 23:46:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Tek'a Rain
Originally by: Zeba
No stats or slots were changed on any of the cov ops just the model. My Cheeta still goes 7000ms on sisi strait from the mirror.
Sad forever. I must go and polish my Helios.. and weep. Changing it into a flying banana AND leaving it as a Failure of the CreoDron Line.. sigh..
Heh. Yeah I understand. If it wasn't for the fact that the new premium Cheeta model is simply gorgeous I would probaly be upset too. Imho all the little details like the antenna and solar panels coating the premium cheetas hull make it look like a true Minmatar cov ops that was cobbled together from odd parts. The Vigil model looks far too clean really to be Minmatar. Classic Cheeta is kinda meh though I'll admit.
inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan |
Suffen
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Posted - 2008.05.22 00:34:00 -
[66]
WUH. I want to ride the magnate instead... i dont like the new helios ICK
can someone show me how the magnate-looking covert ops looks like now :D?
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.05.22 01:44:00 -
[67]
oh well. I guess I can be glad my Buzzard didn't suddenly get changed to the griffin hull... 
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Kil'Roy
The Rat Patrol
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Posted - 2008.05.22 05:40:00 -
[68]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
As I said in another thread on exactly this topic:
"The Maulus based Helios model and Vigil based Cheetah models are both essentially wrong. They aren't Tech II version of the astrometrics frigates. With the introduction of the Magnate as the long missing Amarr frigate, we can right all these wrongs and fix them to be based from their correct predecessors."
Whilst I can understand that some people prefer X ship model over Y, the Helios and Cheetah were using the wrong models. Now they aren't. You can argue the pros and cons of their looks back and forth all you want, but unless there's a technical reason for changing them back, they will stay as Imicus/Helios, Probe/Cheetah, Magnate/Anathema and Heron/Buzzard.
Ships in game will update to show the Imicus hull when Empyrean Age is released, and invention will now use the Imicus for building Helios'. And similarly for the Probe/Cheetah.
Why can' you do us Minmatar CovOps pilots a "Favor" and Make the Probe based upon the Cheetah model, but only the T1 version?
Basicly, Swap the T1 probe and Vigil models, and Leave the Cheetah as it is?
I don't like the idea of spending so much time in this ship and grown to like only to have it's model changed. I don't fly the T1 versions.
Leave the Cheetah alone and change the Probe's model
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Kil'Roy
The Rat Patrol
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Posted - 2008.05.22 05:42:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
oh well. I guess I can be glad my Buzzard didn't suddenly get changed to the griffin hull...
Don't hold your breath, the Caldari Electroic Attack Ship is based upon the Griffin model.
I'm sure that will get ignored though. 
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Josslyn
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Posted - 2008.05.22 06:08:00 -
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you do realize that the Heron (which is what the buzzard is based on) is the caldari t1 astro frig? It was the only one that was correct so to speak.
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Rod Houseman
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Posted - 2008.05.22 06:14:00 -
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The original helios at least had some do-dads attached to it to make it look more advanced. This new helios is just an imicus with a new skin, please glue on some thingamabobs to this boring looking ship.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.22 07:07:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Rod Houseman
The original helios at least had some do-dads attached to it to make it look more advanced. This new helios is just an imicus with a new skin, please glue on some thingamabobs to this boring looking ship.
THIS
I want my probe is have green windows and things all over it.
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Huan CK
Koshaku
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:28:00 -
[73]
WTF!!!
Where is my BOBA FATT SLYTE HELIOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UBAH SHIP, UBAH!!
Imicus for cov-ops = FUBAR!!
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Jack Gilligan
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.22 13:40:00 -
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If people like their ships the way they currently look, why change it? Why deliberately force the use of a ship model people don't like, especially since this has been in the game for some time?
Wouldn't Dev time be better used for other, more meaningful things, such as, ohh.. fixing lag and desync rather than making cosmetic changes that will only **** people off?
My opinions are my own and do not reflect those of my corporation or alliance. |
Esk'natia
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:50:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Esk''natia on 22/05/2008 14:52:23
lol I just think the Dev's want to abuse the Gallente players see how many they can make cry.
NOS nurf - ok fair enough >>
Damp balance - needed, but gzz... overkill for the recons >>
The original trinity domi colours - fail, but fix'd >>
Now this lol..
Though i do follow the logic so just another thing we have to live with.
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opps sorry no idea why my alt is now my defulat. 
*add stuff here* |
Suboran
Victory Not Vengeance
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.22 15:52:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: Daan Sai
Also, did they muck around with the minmatar Cheetah as well, make it a probe hull?
Yup.
Please NOOO!!
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Sar Ferredj
Universal Mining Inc
Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.05.22 17:59:00 -
[77]
I think CCP devs do not like gallenteans chars in game . . .
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Malena Panic
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.22 19:28:00 -
[78]
I for one think the Imicus looks pretty cool. Different cool from the Helios, sure, it's kind of a Terry Gilliam aesthetic as opposed to Moebius.
Thumbs up from me.
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Kuzya Morozov
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.23 02:37:00 -
[79]
Wait, so they do this? But not the command ship hull change?
Nighthawk - Dark Drake hull
Eos - Green myrm
Sleip - silver cane
etc.
I'm mad.
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Josslyn
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Posted - 2008.05.23 02:49:00 -
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they didn't change the CS's hull designs because you idiots all missed one important part of about all of this
INVENTION
We had 2 ships based on the malus, 2 on the vigil, and 2 on the crucifier, and only one on the heron
the changed are not only cosmetic, they also alter which ships you need, making things the way they should be. I suspect they wanted to fix this awhile ago but with a amarr astro frig they decided to wait.
This is the real reason models were changed
Changing the field Command ships to the tier 2 ships would make invention much more expensive, as the hulls themselves are usually 10-20m more expensive than tier 1. If they were to change it they would need to buff them and rework some of them to bring them inline with cost. I think this would cool as hell, but suspect we'll get brand new cs's before they change the current ones.
tl;dr: fixes invention holes, and its a freaking model change. At least none of them look as bad as the moa
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Kil'Roy
The Rat Patrol
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Posted - 2008.05.23 03:09:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Josslyn
they didn't change the CS's hull designs because you idiots....
Tuned out right after that.
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Kuzya Morozov
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.23 03:25:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Josslyn
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To put this in a nice way, thank you for the explanation. But I still think it would look way cooler.
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Josslyn
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Posted - 2008.05.23 03:35:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Josslyn on 23/05/2008 03:35:30
Originally by: Kil'Roy
Originally by: Josslyn
they didn't change the CS's hull designs because you idiots....
Tuned out right after that.
what? bad grammar maybe? I thought the rest of the sentence makes sense
oh wait, you're the guy who wanted the dev's to do us a favor and keep them the same, then raged when they weren't going to fix the buzzard, the only one they got right
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.23 03:47:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Josslyn
they didn't change the CS's hull designs because you idiots all missed one important part of about all of this
INVENTION
We had 2 ships based on the malus, 2 on the vigil, and 2 on the crucifier, and only one on the heron
the changed are not only cosmetic, they also alter which ships you need, making things the way they should be. I suspect they wanted to fix this awhile ago but with a amarr astro frig they decided to wait.
1) The difference between the T1 ewar frigate and T1 astrometrics frigate is trivial, so this is not a relevant reason.
2) If it absolutely has to be fixed for invention reasons, change the required ship but keep the model the same. Who cares if it is inconsistent, it's the end result of keeping the current TQ models that matters.
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Nareg Maxence
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.05.23 04:25:00 -
[85]
Can we at least get the skin greenish and please please put some antennas on it??
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Nareg Maxence
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.05.23 05:03:00 -
[86]
Switch around the maulus and the imicus models. FIXED!! Don't take away bug-helios pls..
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Josslyn
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Posted - 2008.05.23 05:38:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Reten Kip
Originally by: CCP Atropos
As I said in another thread on exactly this topic:
"The Maulus based Helios model and Vigil based Cheetah models are both essentially wrong. They aren't Tech II version of the astrometrics frigates. With the introduction of the Magnate as the long missing Amarr frigate, we can right all these wrongs and fix them to be based from their correct predecessors."
Whilst I can understand that some people prefer X ship model over Y, the Helios and Cheetah were using the wrong models. Now they aren't. You can argue the pros and cons of their looks back and forth all you want, but unless there's a technical reason for changing them back, they will stay as Imicus/Helios, Probe/Cheetah, Magnate/Anathema and Heron/Buzzard.
Ships in game will update to show the Imicus hull when Empyrean Age is released, and invention will now use the Imicus for building Helios'. And similarly for the Probe/Cheetah.
All the covops ships are basically the same, so the only reason to choose one over another is looks. Now that you've nerfed the Helios into the grave, can I have my points spent on Gallente Frigate V applied to Amarr Frigate V instead?
If you think that, you obviously spent zero time researching covops to find which ones are the best.
Helios: Easiest to fit, pretty fast, decent cargo bay, but only has 2 highs, so it cant do the Cloak/Probe/Offline Cyno
Buzzard: Lots of CPU, not enough mids. Goes pretty slow, hard to fit
Anathema: Pretty easy to fit, 3 highs, lots of cap.
Cheetah: Fastest, biggest hold, but also the hardest to fit
The cheetah/anathema are the best for speed/fitting reasons
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Kil'Roy
The Rat Patrol
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Posted - 2008.05.23 06:33:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Josslyn
Edited by: Josslyn on 23/05/2008 03:35:30
Originally by: Kil'Roy
Originally by: Josslyn
they didn't change the CS's hull designs because you idiots....
Tuned out right after that.
what? bad grammar maybe? I thought the rest of the sentence makes sense
oh wait, you're the guy who wanted the dev's to do us a favor and keep them the same, then raged when they weren't going to fix the buzzard, the only one they got right
I suggest you re-read and turn on your sarcasism detector...Linky
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Cyber Claw
InNova Tech Inc
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.05.23 07:03:00 -
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/sigh, i could live with the ugly ship model, and 2 highs were ok, when 5 mids had a use, but now, omg it gets 10% damage bonus for its 1 drone, wtb amarr frig skillbook
I don't care who you are, or where you come from, or what you want, but if you threaten my COFFEE, I'll kill you.
"He's dead, Jim." -a doctor, not a miracle worker |
gpfault
Haunted House
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Posted - 2008.05.23 07:33:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Nareg Maxence
Switch around the maulus and the imicus models. FIXED!! Don't take away bug-helios pls..
I like this idea, I can count the number of people I've seen flying a maulus on one hand.
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