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Rin Kaeda
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.05.20 15:22:00 -
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Erm wtf? WHY god WHY!
New Helios
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Ximen
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Posted - 2008.05.20 15:25:00 -
[2]
Anathema has been changed to the magnate model too.. looks very nice.
But yeah imicus is the worst model to look at :/
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Daan Sai
HAZCON Inc
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Posted - 2008.05.20 15:31:00 -
[3]
My guess is it makes the T1/T2 frigates with scanning bonuses consistent at last.
Magnate is welcome too!
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Toolivus
Verdant Inquiries
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Posted - 2008.05.20 15:32:00 -
[4]
Lucky it cloaks.
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THEHUNTER123
Minmatar
Dawn of Fire
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.05.20 15:34:00 -
[5]
ew
I suck at sigs sum1 make me 1 =( |
Daan Sai
HAZCON Inc
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Posted - 2008.05.20 15:35:00 -
[6]
Frankly, the Maulus hull helios looked worse. Now the Maulus/Keres makes sense as a progression as does the Imicus/Helios.
Cloaking ships don't need to look good :)
Excellent fix! Thanks.
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Rin Kaeda
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.05.20 15:35:00 -
[7]
I'm seriously considering NOT flying any Helios' anymore, it's just way too UGLY now :(
I can understand the "need to standardise" but still... :(
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Gaogan
Gallente
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.05.20 15:53:00 -
[8]
WTF is this talk of standardization? The Helios is based on the T1 electronics frig, which is the Maulus. Why the hell wouldn't it look like one?
Don't take away my insectoid frigate!
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Rin Kaeda
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:14:00 -
[9]
 Originally by: Gaogan
WTF is this talk of standardization? The Helios is based on the T1 electronics frig, which is the Maulus. Why the hell wouldn't it look like one?
Don't take away my insectoid frigate!
Sadly the T1 astro frig for Gallente IS Imicus :(
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Thanos Draicon
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:15:00 -
[10]
LMFAO. 
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Hey I have an idea:
"Let's not endure any more of your spam for the weekend!"
Enjoy your time away from our forums.
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Daan Sai
HAZCON Inc
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:18:00 -
[11]
The Keres is the T2 Maulus.
Also, did they muck around with the minmatar Cheetah as well, make it a probe hull?
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Avalira
Caldari
Pax Minor Expiscor Pario Addo
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:20:00 -
[12]
Please tell me this is a joke  .
/me trains for Amarr cov-ops.
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Gaogan
Gallente
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:22:00 -
[13]
Originally by: Gaogan
WTF is this talk of standardization? The Helios is based on the T1 electronics frig, which is the Maulus. Why the hell wouldn't it look like one?
Don't take away my insectoid frigate!
So what? Not every race HAS a T1 frig with a scan bonus. If anything, it is the Imicus that has the wrong bonus, not the Helios that has the wrong hull. Every race's cov ops is based on the T1 frig described as the Ewar ship and that has a bonus to ewar mods, which for Gallente is the Maulus.
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Rin Kaeda
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gaogan
So what? Not every race HAS a T1 frig with a scan bonus. If anything, it is the Imicus that has the wrong bonus, not the Helios that has the wrong hull. Every race's cov ops is based on the T1 frig described as the Ewar ship and that has a bonus to ewar mods, which for Gallente is the Maulus.
Yes they actually do now, I refer you Sir to Amarr Magnate the "so called lost sixth frigate", which is being introduced into game now in Empyrean Age expansion.
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr
Game-Over
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:34:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Daan Sai
Also, did they muck around with the minmatar Cheetah as well, make it a probe hull?
Yup.
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Von Druid
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:35:00 -
[16]
Edited by: Von Druid on 20/05/2008 16:36:12
Originally by: Daan Sai
The Keres is the T2 Maulus.
Also, did they muck around with the minmatar Cheetah as well, make it a probe hull?
Yeah, it was changed to use the Probe Hull.
Originally by: Gaogan
So what? Not every race HAS a T1 frig with a scan bonus. If anything, it is the Imicus that has the wrong bonus, not the Helios that has the wrong hull. Every race's cov ops is based on the T1 frig described as the Ewar ship and that has a bonus to ewar mods, which for Gallente is the Maulus.
All races now have a t1 frig with a scan time bonus, leading to covert ops, and a t1 frig with bonuses to their racial electronic warfare device, leading to the t2 electronic warfare frigs.
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Pharuan
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:44:00 -
[17]
This is great, that means that you should now be able to field 3 light drones and do the damage of six right?
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Mioelnir
Minmatar
KULT Production
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:44:00 -
[18]
I'm sure I'll regret asking for it, but has anyone a pic of the new Cheetah?
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Reten Kip
Innovaneer Technologies
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:53:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Rin Kaeda
Erm wtf? WHY god WHY!
New Helios
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! There is no ship uglier than the Imicus! I guess it's time for a career change...
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:54:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: Daan Sai
Also, did they muck around with the minmatar Cheetah as well, make it a probe hull?
Yup.
Ok, that sucks. The Probe hull is "cute" but the Vigil model looks like a CovOps should look.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 20/05/2008 16:57:50
Edited by: MotherMoon on 20/05/2008 16:57:42
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: Daan Sai
Also, did they muck around with the minmatar Cheetah as well, make it a probe hull?
Yup.
FINALLY! I'm so glad the devs finally listened to me!
edit: uhoh don't hate me people :P
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Bronson Hughes
The. Conspiracy
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Posted - 2008.05.20 17:10:00 -
[22]
Okay, now we just need to get CCP to fix the skins on the Hawk and Harpy; they've been reversed since they were released.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.05.20 17:27:00 -
[23]
Originally by: MotherMoon
Edited by: MotherMoon on 20/05/2008 16:57:50
Edited by: MotherMoon on 20/05/2008 16:57:42
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: Daan Sai
Also, did they muck around with the minmatar Cheetah as well, make it a probe hull?
Yup.
FINALLY! I'm so glad the devs finally listened to me!
edit: uhoh don't hate me people :P
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.20 17:33:00 -
[24]
Dear god no. CCP, please change this back. I trained my alt for a Helios just so I could have the best looking covops. Please do not exchange it for an ugly Imicus variant.
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Shionoya Risa
The Xenodus Initiative.
Overclockers Podpilot Services
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Posted - 2008.05.20 19:47:00 -
[25]
Haha. Epic.
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ChalSto
LOCKDOWN.
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Posted - 2008.05.20 21:41:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Rin Kaeda
Erm wtf? WHY god WHY!
Becouse they had no idea how to nerf gallente again.....so graphics-nerf then....
Evil will allways triumph, becouse Good is dumb
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Ethaet
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.21 00:40:00 -
[27]
NO!!!.....
WHY?
WHY CCP WHY?
This sucks, the old helios was possibly the best looking frig in the game, now look at it
Can I get my gallente frig 5 skill reimbursed?
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Lothris Andastar
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Posted - 2008.05.21 00:46:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Ethaet
NO!!!.....
WHY?
WHY CCP WHY?
This sucks, the old helios was possibly the best looking frig in the game, now look at it
Can I get my gallente frig 5 skill reimbursed?
*Rolleyes*
It cloaks so it could look like a big p***s for all I care. (Wait dont the Amarr get that already?)
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Kynes Harkonnen
HAZCON Inc
YTMND.
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Posted - 2008.05.21 06:20:00 -
[29]
The new Helios looks awesome! This whole cov ops hull thing is one of the changes I've wanted for so long, and has actually restored some of my faith in CCP's devs! lol Can we get pics of the anathema and cheetah too?
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Rin Kaeda
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.05.21 07:46:00 -
[30]
Well I've already decided to spend the 9 or so days to read Amarr Frigate V to get my hands on the Anathema (Magnate) , no point flying in space unless you can't do it in style :)
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mucklavee
Minmatar
The Shadow Order
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.21 09:11:00 -
[31]
yeah i was kinda upset when i found out the cheetah was changed to the probe hull it looked way better as the vigil, now if i want to step in the cov ops i will be stepping into a ship that looks like a mentally challenged jawa built out of legos or train up for the buzzard or anathema
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Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Fleetyards
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2008.05.21 10:32:00 -
[32]
I for one am very happy as the Magnate modell absolutely kicks ass. Even more so in the black and silver Khanid colors. I love it!
Now recruiting! |
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CCP Atropos
C C P
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Posted - 2008.05.21 10:53:00 -
[33]
As I said in another thread on exactly this topic:
"The Maulus based Helios model and Vigil based Cheetah models are both essentially wrong. They aren't Tech II version of the astrometrics frigates. With the introduction of the Magnate as the long missing Amarr frigate, we can right all these wrongs and fix them to be based from their correct predecessors."
Whilst I can understand that some people prefer X ship model over Y, the Helios and Cheetah were using the wrong models. Now they aren't. You can argue the pros and cons of their looks back and forth all you want, but unless there's a technical reason for changing them back, they will stay as Imicus/Helios, Probe/Cheetah, Magnate/Anathema and Heron/Buzzard.
Ships in game will update to show the Imicus hull when Empyrean Age is released, and invention will now use the Imicus for building Helios'. And similarly for the Probe/Cheetah.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.21 11:13:00 -
[34]
any chance of doing us a favor and getting the cool spiky dish on the cheetah added to the hyena now that the model is gone?
just say it's the web senor amp
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XLR Eight
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.05.21 11:46:00 -
[35]
Edited by: XLR Eight on 21/05/2008 11:49:09
Originally by: CCP Atropos
"The Maulus based Helios model and Vigil based Cheetah models are both essentially wrong. They aren't Tech II version of the astrometrics frigates. With the introduction of the Magnate as the long missing Amarr frigate, we can right all these wrongs and fix them to be based from their correct predecessors."
Isn't there another simple solution to keep everyone happy? Like switching the hulls between the Maulus <-> Imicus and that way we could keep the Helios?
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Daan Sai
HAZCON Inc
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Posted - 2008.05.21 12:49:00 -
[36]
Not really, as the Keres is still there. You'd have to swap both Maulus/Keres and Imicus/Helios to keep consistent.
One problem may be that of these 4 Gal ships the Helios may actually be the most used, by older chars who have trained up CovOps and cloaking IV, and has thus invested a bit of effort in getting a Helios.
BTW I think that I am liking the T2 imicus hull helios a lot, very clean design.
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matt way
Southern Cross Incorporated
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.21 13:29:00 -
[37]
This change makes me sad I loved my Helios..
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Scouteye
Locasta Tactical
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Posted - 2008.05.21 14:00:00 -
[38]
What does this mean for a fitted helios etc in a hanger after the patch.
Will we wake up and find the hull changed but the same module layout or a differant module layout?
I'm thinking of people with rigs fitted for a specific fit the hull is no longer capable of.
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Shionoya Risa
The Xenodus Initiative.
Overclockers Podpilot Services
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Posted - 2008.05.21 14:08:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Scouteye
What does this mean for a fitted Helios etc in a hanger after the patch.
You get an ugly ship instead of a decent looking one. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.21 15:20:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 21/05/2008 15:23:06
Originally by: CCP Atropos
As I said in another thread on exactly this topic:
"The Maulus based Helios model and Vigil based Cheetah models are both essentially wrong. They aren't Tech II version of the astrometrics frigates. With the introduction of the Magnate as the long missing Amarr frigate, we can right all these wrongs and fix them to be based from their correct predecessors."
And the point we're trying to make is that they were "wrong", but wrong in a GOOD way. Who cares if it's inconsistent, it's no more inconsistent than the Nighthawk/Onyx being based on railboat hulls, the Eos using the Brutix hull instead of the Myrmidon, etc. The inconsistency is entirely a benefit, we get a much better looking model, and there are no balance issues caused by the difference in T1 hull. It's not like we're talking about the Maulus hull giving 500% more dps than the Imicus hull, making them inconsistent and unbalanced, the two options are exactly the same balance-wise.
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Whilst I can understand that some people prefer X ship model over Y, the Helios and Cheetah were using the wrong models. Now they aren't. You can argue the pros and cons of their looks back and forth all you want, but unless there's a technical reason for changing them back, they will stay as Imicus/Helios, Probe/Cheetah, Magnate/Anathema and Heron/Buzzard.
But why make the change? The majority of the players prefer the old model, and absolutely nothing is accomplished by changing them. If you don't change the stats of the ship, the looks are the only thing to talk about!
The simple fact is that all covert ops frigates are virtually identical in performance. The only real reason to prefer one over the other is for their appearance. In my case, I trained Gallente Frigate V because I wanted the existing Helios model. Nerfing it to a horribly ugly Imicus hull makes those two weeks a complete waste. Why needlessly annoy your paying customers like that?
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Pac SubCom
A.W.M
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Posted - 2008.05.21 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Pac SubCom on 21/05/2008 15:44:26
It is a good change. I'm looking forward to my new Cheetah! The Helios doesn't look too bad either now.
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Farrah Jun
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Posted - 2008.05.21 16:07:00 -
[42]
Well, guess I better cancel that 30 day maulus BPC run that I had to wait 20 days to get a slot on then....
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Rooker
Lysian Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.21 16:14:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Rooker on 21/05/2008 16:15:05
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Whilst I can understand that some people prefer X ship model over Y, the Helios and Cheetah were using the wrong models. Now they aren't. You can argue the pros and cons of their looks back and forth all you want, but unless there's a technical reason for changing them back, they will stay as Imicus/Helios, Probe/Cheetah, Magnate/Anathema and Heron/Buzzard.
Gahhh.... DIAF
WTS: Helios
WTB: Amarr Frigate skillbook 
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Central Research Nexus
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Posted - 2008.05.21 16:20:00 -
[44]
BPCs are a valid issue. Looks aren't. If you trained a ship specifically for the looks of it rather than the capabilities, you are a blithering fool and I would love to have all your stuff when you quit.
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Letrange
Chaosstorm Corporation
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2008.05.21 16:32:00 -
[45]
*sigh*
Please tell me you fixed the stats on the cheetah as well then. If it's based on the probe (which makes sense bonus wise) make it able to fly drones and have a bigger cargo bay (oh yea I really want that cargo bay for more probes).
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.05.21 16:48:00 -
[46]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
As I said in another thread on exactly this topic:
"The Maulus based Helios model and Vigil based Cheetah models are both essentially wrong. They aren't Tech II version of the astrometrics frigates. With the introduction of the Magnate as the long missing Amarr frigate, we can right all these wrongs and fix them to be based from their correct predecessors."
Whilst I can understand that some people prefer X ship model over Y, the Helios and Cheetah were using the wrong models. Now they aren't. You can argue the pros and cons of their looks back and forth all you want, but unless there's a technical reason for changing them back, they will stay as Imicus/Helios, Probe/Cheetah, Magnate/Anathema and Heron/Buzzard.
Ships in game will update to show the Imicus hull when Empyrean Age is released, and invention will now use the Imicus for building Helios'. And similarly for the Probe/Cheetah.
Well, I'm not -that- bothered by the change, more disappointed. You're making what is essentially a fluff change. You want consistency between the hulls of the T1 and T2 ship roles, at least in this case. I don't personally see this as important, but fine. And some people seem to like it. So since it sounds like a done deal, and most of the arguments against it have been given already, I'm just going to add one thing that I'm not sure has been mentioned:
You're bringing in one fluff consistency and losing another: the continuity of the last, what, three years?
Please consider this next time you think about such a change. It may seem silly, but it's a credit to your graphic design that players can become so attached to something as non-functional as the looks of ship that spends most of its time cloaked.
Thanks.
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Kagura Nikon
Infinity Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.21 16:52:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
BPCs are a valid issue. Looks aren't. If you trained a ship specifically for the looks of it rather than the capabilities, you are a blithering fool and I would love to have all your stuff when you quit.
the looks are the most important thing! ALWAYS! Only loosers pay attention on stats mainly.
You buy a car 90% of time based on how it looks also!
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Grarr Dexx
Naval Protection Corp
Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.05.21 17:01:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
BPCs are a valid issue. Looks aren't. If you trained a ship specifically for the looks of it rather than the capabilities, you are a blithering fool and I would love to have all your stuff when you quit.
the looks are the most important thing! ALWAYS! Only loosers pay attention on stats mainly.
You buy a car 90% of time based on how it looks also!
Guess I belong in that 10%
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Central Research Nexus
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Posted - 2008.05.21 17:28:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
BPCs are a valid issue. Looks aren't. If you trained a ship specifically for the looks of it rather than the capabilities, you are a blithering fool and I would love to have all your stuff when you quit.
the looks are the most important thing! ALWAYS! Only loosers pay attention on stats mainly.
You buy a car 90% of time based on how it looks also!
Ah, but I'm not fighting something in my car, and the performance characteristics that matter are getting from point A to point B - if you need extra speed and all, chances are you're looking at those characteristics and emphasizing them in your selection. Not to mention, CDL-notwithstanding, you're able to drive any model of car from most any manufacturer without spending time doing racial training.
Conversely, you do spend time training for each race in Eve, and the statistical abilities for fitting and ship bonuses become very important. Choosing a ship merely on looks in such a case is stupid if you know there is a more effective ship for the job that you could have trained for.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.05.21 17:56:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
Ah, but I'm not fighting something in my car, and the performance characteristics that matter are getting from point A to point B - if you need extra speed and all, chances are you're looking at those characteristics and emphasizing them in your selection. Not to mention, CDL-notwithstanding, you're able to drive any model of car from most any manufacturer without spending time doing racial training.
Conversely, you do spend time training for each race in Eve, and the statistical abilities for fitting and ship bonuses become very important. Choosing a ship merely on looks in such a case is stupid if you know there is a more effective ship for the job that you could have trained for.
Ah, but since you're not fighting anything in EVE either, only pretending to, looks are as valid a reason as any for many.  YMMV, obviously.
The other thing is that CovOps are -relatively- uniform because of their abilities and specialized role, so a lot of people do seem to have chosen them based on looks rather than on the marginal differences in function.
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Ice Globe
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.21 17:59:00 -
[51]
I don't see what all the complaining is about, the ship is probably going to be cloaked most the time anyway
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Gaogan
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.05.21 18:48:00 -
[52]
While you guys are at it, how about dropping one of the useless mid slots for a third high slot so you can actually fit the full cloak/probe/cyno combo like all the other cov ops can?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.21 19:11:00 -
[53]
it's not fluff really, it's not being added to the game.
it's just how the game work, you take a probe, you invent a better one.
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Cyber Claw
InNova Tech Inc
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.05.21 19:17:00 -
[54]
the helios is also NOT getting the imicus drone bay or bandwidth, and what use 5 mids on a covps with no ew bonus
I don't care who you are, or where you come from, or what you want, but if you threaten my COFFEE, I'll kill you.
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Manfred Rickenbocker
The Elliance
Delta.Green
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Posted - 2008.05.21 19:40:00 -
[55]
As long as they FINALLY give the Helios the third high (cloak, covert-cyno, probe launcher) Ill be happy.
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Cyber Claw
InNova Tech Inc
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.05.21 20:11:00 -
[56]
no 3rd high, same slots as b4
:(
I don't care who you are, or where you come from, or what you want, but if you threaten my COFFEE, I'll kill you.
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Lareon Denery
Project Aquarion Valkyrie
Deus Ex.
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Posted - 2008.05.21 21:23:00 -
[57]
I'm a bit disappointed of this change. Prober is my primary role in EVE and do it with a look-like-Imicus ship is... brrrrr, terrible.
Well, this isn't a disaster anyway but... :/
Then... time to finish my Caldari Frigate rank. And time to sell my Helios :(
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Tek'a Rain
Collegium Mechanicae Holding
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Posted - 2008.05.21 22:37:00 -
[58]
Did it at least get a change/boost to the dronebay? Because Creodrone making a ship with a SMALLER bay then its t1, but still having useless drone bonus would be even sillier then this change! |
Zeba
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.05.21 23:06:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Scilent Enigma
I guess reprocessing my poor Cheetah before it is defiled and train for the Amarr Covert Ops is the only thing left to do...
Why in the world would you want to get rid of a cov ops that goes as fast as an interceptor? Plus going 800+ms cloaked is no joke. |
VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.05.21 23:11:00 -
[60]
Oh, hell no. The imicus model sucks.
Change it back already. |
Scilent Enigma
Vae Victis Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.21 23:12:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Scilent Enigma
I guess reprocessing my poor Cheetah before it is defiled and train for the Amarr Covert Ops is the only thing left to do...
Why in the world would you want to get rid of a cov ops that goes as fast as an interceptor? Plus going 800+ms cloaked is no joke.
Take a look at the probe please, take a good look. No stats, however uber they may be, is worth flying a ship that looks like that..
I am very disappointed, I spent the first few months of my EVE career in a probe and I learned to hate the model in so many ways it isn't even funny anymore. And now CCP is changing one of my absolute favorite ships into that... that... I'm not even going to type it... |
Tek'a Rain
Collegium Mechanicae Holding
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Posted - 2008.05.21 23:18:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Zeba
No stats or slots were changed on any of the cov ops just the model. My Cheeta still goes 7000ms on sisi strait from the mirror.
Sad forever. I must go and polish my Helios.. and weep. Changing it into a flying banana AND leaving it as a Failure of the CreoDron Line.. sigh.. |
XLR Eight
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.05.21 23:34:00 -
[63]
Make this small change please on the hulls:
Maulus <--> Imicus
(sisi)Helios <--> Keres
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Lord Barrow
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Posted - 2008.05.21 23:42:00 -
[64]
i like the new helios  |
Zeba
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.05.21 23:46:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Tek'a Rain
Originally by: Zeba
No stats or slots were changed on any of the cov ops just the model. My Cheeta still goes 7000ms on sisi strait from the mirror.
Sad forever. I must go and polish my Helios.. and weep. Changing it into a flying banana AND leaving it as a Failure of the CreoDron Line.. sigh..
Heh. Yeah I understand. If it wasn't for the fact that the new premium Cheeta model is simply gorgeous I would probaly be upset too. Imho all the little details like the antenna and solar panels coating the premium cheetas hull make it look like a true Minmatar cov ops that was cobbled together from odd parts. The Vigil model looks far too clean really to be Minmatar. Classic Cheeta is kinda meh though I'll admit.
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Suffen
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Posted - 2008.05.22 00:34:00 -
[66]
WUH. I want to ride the magnate instead... i dont like the new helios ICK
can someone show me how the magnate-looking covert ops looks like now :D?
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.05.22 01:44:00 -
[67]
oh well. I guess I can be glad my Buzzard didn't suddenly get changed to the griffin hull... 
...
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Kil'Roy
The Rat Patrol
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Posted - 2008.05.22 05:40:00 -
[68]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
As I said in another thread on exactly this topic:
"The Maulus based Helios model and Vigil based Cheetah models are both essentially wrong. They aren't Tech II version of the astrometrics frigates. With the introduction of the Magnate as the long missing Amarr frigate, we can right all these wrongs and fix them to be based from their correct predecessors."
Whilst I can understand that some people prefer X ship model over Y, the Helios and Cheetah were using the wrong models. Now they aren't. You can argue the pros and cons of their looks back and forth all you want, but unless there's a technical reason for changing them back, they will stay as Imicus/Helios, Probe/Cheetah, Magnate/Anathema and Heron/Buzzard.
Ships in game will update to show the Imicus hull when Empyrean Age is released, and invention will now use the Imicus for building Helios'. And similarly for the Probe/Cheetah.
Why can' you do us Minmatar CovOps pilots a "Favor" and Make the Probe based upon the Cheetah model, but only the T1 version?
Basicly, Swap the T1 probe and Vigil models, and Leave the Cheetah as it is?
I don't like the idea of spending so much time in this ship and grown to like only to have it's model changed. I don't fly the T1 versions.
Leave the Cheetah alone and change the Probe's model
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Kil'Roy
The Rat Patrol
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Posted - 2008.05.22 05:42:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
oh well. I guess I can be glad my Buzzard didn't suddenly get changed to the griffin hull...
Don't hold your breath, the Caldari Electroic Attack Ship is based upon the Griffin model.
I'm sure that will get ignored though.
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Josslyn
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Posted - 2008.05.22 06:08:00 -
[70]
you do realize that the Heron (which is what the buzzard is based on) is the caldari t1 astro frig? It was the only one that was correct so to speak.
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Rod Houseman
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Posted - 2008.05.22 06:14:00 -
[71]
The original helios at least had some do-dads attached to it to make it look more advanced. This new helios is just an imicus with a new skin, please glue on some thingamabobs to this boring looking ship.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.22 07:07:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Rod Houseman
The original helios at least had some do-dads attached to it to make it look more advanced. This new helios is just an imicus with a new skin, please glue on some thingamabobs to this boring looking ship.
THIS
I want my probe is have green windows and things all over it.
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Huan CK
Koshaku
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:28:00 -
[73]
WTF!!!
Where is my BOBA FATT SLYTE HELIOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UBAH SHIP, UBAH!!
Imicus for cov-ops = FUBAR!!
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Jack Gilligan
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.22 13:40:00 -
[74]
If people like their ships the way they currently look, why change it? Why deliberately force the use of a ship model people don't like, especially since this has been in the game for some time?
Wouldn't Dev time be better used for other, more meaningful things, such as, ohh.. fixing lag and desync rather than making cosmetic changes that will only **** people off?
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Esk'natia
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:50:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Esk''natia on 22/05/2008 14:52:23
lol I just think the Dev's want to abuse the Gallente players see how many they can make cry.
NOS nurf - ok fair enough >>
Damp balance - needed, but gzz... overkill for the recons >>
The original trinity domi colours - fail, but fix'd >>
Now this lol..
Though i do follow the logic so just another thing we have to live with.
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opps sorry no idea why my alt is now my defulat. 
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Suboran
Victory Not Vengeance
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.22 15:52:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: Daan Sai
Also, did they muck around with the minmatar Cheetah as well, make it a probe hull?
Yup.
Please NOOO!!
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Sar Ferredj
Universal Mining Inc
Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.05.22 17:59:00 -
[77]
I think CCP devs do not like gallenteans chars in game . . .
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Malena Panic
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.22 19:28:00 -
[78]
I for one think the Imicus looks pretty cool. Different cool from the Helios, sure, it's kind of a Terry Gilliam aesthetic as opposed to Moebius.
Thumbs up from me.
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Kuzya Morozov
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.23 02:37:00 -
[79]
Wait, so they do this? But not the command ship hull change?
Nighthawk - Dark Drake hull
Eos - Green myrm
Sleip - silver cane
etc.
I'm mad.
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Josslyn
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Posted - 2008.05.23 02:49:00 -
[80]
they didn't change the CS's hull designs because you idiots all missed one important part of about all of this
INVENTION
We had 2 ships based on the malus, 2 on the vigil, and 2 on the crucifier, and only one on the heron
the changed are not only cosmetic, they also alter which ships you need, making things the way they should be. I suspect they wanted to fix this awhile ago but with a amarr astro frig they decided to wait.
This is the real reason models were changed
Changing the field Command ships to the tier 2 ships would make invention much more expensive, as the hulls themselves are usually 10-20m more expensive than tier 1. If they were to change it they would need to buff them and rework some of them to bring them inline with cost. I think this would cool as hell, but suspect we'll get brand new cs's before they change the current ones.
tl;dr: fixes invention holes, and its a freaking model change. At least none of them look as bad as the moa
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Kil'Roy
The Rat Patrol
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Posted - 2008.05.23 03:09:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Josslyn
they didn't change the CS's hull designs because you idiots....
Tuned out right after that.
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Kuzya Morozov
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.23 03:25:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Josslyn
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To put this in a nice way, thank you for the explanation. But I still think it would look way cooler.
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Josslyn
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Posted - 2008.05.23 03:35:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Josslyn on 23/05/2008 03:35:30
Originally by: Kil'Roy
Originally by: Josslyn
they didn't change the CS's hull designs because you idiots....
Tuned out right after that.
what? bad grammar maybe? I thought the rest of the sentence makes sense
oh wait, you're the guy who wanted the dev's to do us a favor and keep them the same, then raged when they weren't going to fix the buzzard, the only one they got right
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.23 03:47:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Josslyn
they didn't change the CS's hull designs because you idiots all missed one important part of about all of this
INVENTION
We had 2 ships based on the malus, 2 on the vigil, and 2 on the crucifier, and only one on the heron
the changed are not only cosmetic, they also alter which ships you need, making things the way they should be. I suspect they wanted to fix this awhile ago but with a amarr astro frig they decided to wait.
1) The difference between the T1 ewar frigate and T1 astrometrics frigate is trivial, so this is not a relevant reason.
2) If it absolutely has to be fixed for invention reasons, change the required ship but keep the model the same. Who cares if it is inconsistent, it's the end result of keeping the current TQ models that matters.
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Nareg Maxence
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.05.23 04:25:00 -
[85]
Can we at least get the skin greenish and please please put some antennas on it??
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Nareg Maxence
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.05.23 05:03:00 -
[86]
Switch around the maulus and the imicus models. FIXED!! Don't take away bug-helios pls..
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Josslyn
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Posted - 2008.05.23 05:38:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Reten Kip
Originally by: CCP Atropos
As I said in another thread on exactly this topic:
"The Maulus based Helios model and Vigil based Cheetah models are both essentially wrong. They aren't Tech II version of the astrometrics frigates. With the introduction of the Magnate as the long missing Amarr frigate, we can right all these wrongs and fix them to be based from their correct predecessors."
Whilst I can understand that some people prefer X ship model over Y, the Helios and Cheetah were using the wrong models. Now they aren't. You can argue the pros and cons of their looks back and forth all you want, but unless there's a technical reason for changing them back, they will stay as Imicus/Helios, Probe/Cheetah, Magnate/Anathema and Heron/Buzzard.
Ships in game will update to show the Imicus hull when Empyrean Age is released, and invention will now use the Imicus for building Helios'. And similarly for the Probe/Cheetah.
All the covops ships are basically the same, so the only reason to choose one over another is looks. Now that you've nerfed the Helios into the grave, can I have my points spent on Gallente Frigate V applied to Amarr Frigate V instead?
If you think that, you obviously spent zero time researching covops to find which ones are the best.
Helios: Easiest to fit, pretty fast, decent cargo bay, but only has 2 highs, so it cant do the Cloak/Probe/Offline Cyno
Buzzard: Lots of CPU, not enough mids. Goes pretty slow, hard to fit
Anathema: Pretty easy to fit, 3 highs, lots of cap.
Cheetah: Fastest, biggest hold, but also the hardest to fit
The cheetah/anathema are the best for speed/fitting reasons
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Kil'Roy
The Rat Patrol
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Posted - 2008.05.23 06:33:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Josslyn
Edited by: Josslyn on 23/05/2008 03:35:30
Originally by: Kil'Roy
Originally by: Josslyn
they didn't change the CS's hull designs because you idiots....
Tuned out right after that.
what? bad grammar maybe? I thought the rest of the sentence makes sense
oh wait, you're the guy who wanted the dev's to do us a favor and keep them the same, then raged when they weren't going to fix the buzzard, the only one they got right
I suggest you re-read and turn on your sarcasism detector...Linky
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Cyber Claw
InNova Tech Inc
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.05.23 07:03:00 -
[89]
/sigh, i could live with the ugly ship model, and 2 highs were ok, when 5 mids had a use, but now, omg it gets 10% damage bonus for its 1 drone, wtb amarr frig skillbook
I don't care who you are, or where you come from, or what you want, but if you threaten my COFFEE, I'll kill you.
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gpfault
Haunted House
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Posted - 2008.05.23 07:33:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Nareg Maxence
Switch around the maulus and the imicus models. FIXED!! Don't take away bug-helios pls..
I like this idea, I can count the number of people I've seen flying a maulus on one hand.
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2008.05.24 00:23:00 -
[91]
UGGGGGHhhh.
You have just ****ed off every single Gallente covops pilot.
Seriously.
This is favoritism, you give the Amarr the Magnate hull and downgrade us to the freakin' IMICUS? The UGLIEST freaking ship in the game?
Either enough Gallente pilots will whine and it'll get changed back... or I'm just going to have to train for amarr covops.
Originally by: Amoxin
My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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Suffen
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Posted - 2008.05.24 17:04:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Atomos Darksun
UGGGGGHhhh.
You have just ****ed off every single Gallente covops pilot.
Seriously.
This is favoritism, you give the Amarr the Magnate hull and downgrade us to the freakin' IMICUS? The UGLIEST freaking ship in the game?
Either enough Gallente pilots will whine and it'll get changed back... or I'm just going to have to train for amarr covops.
its called selective listening, they prolly just listen when they want to.. and they're not gonna.. so w/e
amarr cov ops then i go
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Dr Clay
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Posted - 2008.05.24 17:14:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Bronson Hughes
Okay, now we just need to get CCP to fix the skins on the Hawk and Harpy; they've been reversed since they were released.
You are correct, the hawk definitely does not deserve to look cool considering how crap it is.
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Photon Xeray
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Posted - 2008.05.26 12:20:00 -
[94]
the gallente ships are already looking like s***, ugliest textures and below-average models, I was really hoping gallente graphics will get a buff, instead it gets even worse.
CCP, let us enjoy looking at our ships! or at least don't make us throw up when we do! people were happy with the helios for ages, now instead of changing what looks like s*** to something good you make it even worse!
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Alski
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:11:00 -
[95]
Is the helios model going to get used for anything else? its far too pritty to waste
Also i don't sopose theres any chance that a graphics artist could be kicked up the ass and told to completeley redesign the imicus hull into something that doesent look like a one-winged, beer-gutted parrot with a stumpy beak? 
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:48:00 -
[96]
I had to see it by myself on sisi. The model change is just criminal.
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zacuis
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.26 20:24:00 -
[97]
i have to admit i hate this change. why not just swap round the t1 version rather than messing with the version everyone actually uses
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Claire Luyseyal
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.27 05:06:00 -
[98]
lol¦d.
I will call mine the "Jean-Claude Jaquettie hand-held shaver".
Love it
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XLR Eight
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.05.27 07:24:00 -
[99]
Don't make a half the work!
At least bring back the "baby blue" skin for the new Helios to turn it into a complete visual orgasm. I'm sure it's designer will love it.
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Dark Voynix
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.05.27 09:34:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Dark Voynix on 27/05/2008 09:36:34
Edited by: Dark Voynix on 27/05/2008 09:34:28
Originally by: CCP Atropos
As I said in another thread on exactly this topic:
"The Maulus based Helios model and Vigil based Cheetah models are both essentially wrong. They aren't Tech II version of the astrometrics frigates. With the introduction of the Magnate as the long missing Amarr frigate, we can right all these wrongs and fix them to be based from their correct predecessors."
Whilst I can understand that some people prefer X ship model over Y, the Helios and Cheetah were using the wrong models. Now they aren't. You can argue the pros and cons of their looks back and forth all you want, but unless there's a technical reason for changing them back, they will stay as Imicus/Helios, Probe/Cheetah, Magnate/Anathema and Heron/Buzzard.
Ships in game will update to show the Imicus hull when Empyrean Age is released, and invention will now use the Imicus for building Helios'. And similarly for the Probe/Cheetah.
Of course there is a technical reason, but if you don't want look at them its your fault.
Imagine a guy who worked months researching a t1 bpo to use invention ( or just because have the t2 bpo and want to build the plain t1 ship and then make it t2 ).
Your change make his researched bpo worth nothing. He have to buy another BPO and research it again.
And pls next time could you be a bit more patient to players? Personally i not liked the tone of your answer.
As far i see its CCP that are changing just for "tier ship preferences" while there are some obvious reasons that your change will cause some damage to ship builders. On player side ist not "just a look & feel" problem, but its CCP that are going to make this change just for "look & feel" preferences, so next time please give people some more consideration. I dunno how this ship was supposed to do during the release, but its long ago that this ship have a determined hull, its worth cause damage to players just to change a hull?
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Nara Krylov
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Posted - 2008.05.27 12:31:00 -
[101]
Originally by: gpfault
Originally by: Nareg Maxence
Switch around the maulus and the imicus models. FIXED!! Don't take away bug-helios pls..
I like this idea, I can count the number of people I've seen flying a maulus on one hand.
I fly a maulus. Well, I just bought one so I could have a good look at THE HELIOS I'M TRAINING FOR -.- I like that model ;.;
Correction, Helios I -was- training for. Yay Amarr frigate.
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Grarr Dexx
Naval Protection Corp
Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.05.27 13:02:00 -
[102]
Non-Amarr people training for an Amarr ship, what the hell is going on???? 
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Avernus
Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:39:00 -
[103]
 I've had the same Helios since they came out, somehow through way more luck than I deserve, it's survived jumping into god knows how many hostile camps. Having a different hull (an Imicus? ) on that old ship is messed up.
Maulus = Sexy.
Imicus = club footed hunchback.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.05.27 19:02:00 -
[104]
I highly approve of the covert ops hull changes. Now they are all based on the astro frig. it makes sense, and is consistent.
And the new anathema looks totally sweet.
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Alski
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 19:32:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Ulstan
And the new anathema looks totally sweet.
Indeed, stunningly so, which makes this...
... all the more inexcusable
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Ethaet
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.27 19:54:00 -
[106]
can I have my gallente frigate 5 skill changed to minmatar?
I trained the helios purely for looks, now those are gone, and I will have to waste 10 days.
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Selnix
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.27 21:24:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Selnix on 27/05/2008 21:25:07
Originally by: Alski
Originally by: Ulstan
And the new anathema looks totally sweet.
Indeed, stunningly so, which makes this...
Overly large pic of new Helios
... all the more inexcusable
Really needs one of those light ball things like the current Helios and the old Ishkur model had to make it all pretty again. Could also maybe use some source of blue light emittance ala the Ishtar. Either way, so long as they give her 3 light drones it'll be a worthwhile covops.
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Nara Krylov
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Posted - 2008.05.28 05:29:00 -
[108]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Whilst I can understand that some people prefer X ship model over Y, the Helios and Cheetah were using the wrong models. Now they aren't. You can argue the pros and cons of their looks back and forth all you want, but unless there's a technical reason for changing them back, they will stay as Imicus/Helios, Probe/Cheetah, Magnate/Anathema and Heron/Buzzard.
Ships in game will update to show the Imicus hull when Empyrean Age is released, and invention will now use the Imicus for building Helios'. And similarly for the Probe/Cheetah.
Reasons?
1: You're ****ing off people who build ships with the invention change.
2: Ships do not magically transform into different ships. This breaks continuity, not to mention;
3: ****es off probably 9/10 covops pilots who spent days training for this ship - frequently because of it's looks - only to login one day and see it changed from an elegant, beautiful design to a LOPSIDED SCRAPHEAP.
And why? To retroactively change a mistake that was made years ago, and allowed to go on to the point where changing it back now is ridiculous. I'm betting not many people noticed the mistake, and even less cared.
As far as aesthetics, well, I have to toss in my opinion here. The Maulus design is excellent, and a rarity in that it's a good looking Gallente ship. As far as the Imicus...seriously...who the hell designed that? It looks like an unholy collection of scrap taken from a 50's era junkyard and welded together by a *****head. One look at it makes me think that it would SPIN OUT OF CONTROL when thrust is applied, then FLY APART when the cheap welding breaks under the stress.
To summarize the change:
Pros: Correcting an inconsistency that has become moot over time.
Cons: ****ing off covops pilots. ****ing off ship builders. ****ing off Gallente who see this as a Helios nerf, while the Anathema gets a buff. Continuity violation by applying silly retroactive magical ship changes.
Please reconsider.
PS - Take the above and apply it to the Cheetah which has been defiled with the chimpanzee-on-mescaline-with-superglue-and-legos derived Probe model. Thank you.
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Runia
Azure Horizon
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 10:47:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Dark Voynix
Edited by: Dark Voynix on 27/05/2008 09:36:34
Edited by: Dark Voynix on 27/05/2008 09:34:28
Originally by: CCP Atropos
As I said in another thread on exactly this topic:
"The Maulus based Helios model and Vigil based Cheetah models are both essentially wrong. They aren't Tech II version of the astrometrics frigates. With the introduction of the Magnate as the long missing Amarr frigate, we can right all these wrongs and fix them to be based from their correct predecessors."
Whilst I can understand that some people prefer X ship model over Y, the Helios and Cheetah were using the wrong models. Now they aren't. You can argue the pros and cons of their looks back and forth all you want, but unless there's a technical reason for changing them back, they will stay as Imicus/Helios, Probe/Cheetah, Magnate/Anathema and Heron/Buzzard.
Ships in game will update to show the Imicus hull when Empyrean Age is released, and invention will now use the Imicus for building Helios'. And similarly for the Probe/Cheetah.
Of course there is a technical reason, but if you don't want look at them its your fault.
Imagine a guy who worked months researching a t1 bpo to use invention ( or just because have the t2 bpo and want to build the plain t1 ship and then make it t2 ).
Your change make his researched bpo worth nothing. He have to buy another BPO and research it again.
And pls next time could you be a bit more patient to players? Personally i not liked the tone of your answer.
As far i see its CCP that are changing just for "tier ship preferences" while there are some obvious reasons that your change will cause some damage to ship builders. On player side ist not "just a look & feel" problem, but its CCP that are going to make this change just for "look & feel" preferences, so next time please give people some more consideration. I dunno how this ship was supposed to do during the release, but its long ago that this ship have a determined hull, its worth cause damage to players just to change a hull?
yup I am in this boat... and it was to be my first invention job as well... so now what do I do? Will I be able to swap my researched maulus bpo for a researched imicus bpo? I really haven't looked into the keres enough yet to know whether to bother, and I always wanted to make helios' (helii? lol) anyway... *sigh*
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.05.29 00:35:00 -
[110]
Hmmm...
Originally by: Dark Voynix
And pls next time could you be a bit more patient to players? Personally i not liked the tone of your answer.
I don't think they like our tone very much either
That said , rabble rabble stop nerfing our pretty covops rarrrr !
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Cyber Claw
Black Water.
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Posted - 2008.05.29 05:58:00 -
[111]
ok, the caldari are the only covert ops frig based on the astrometrics skill bonus, so where does it make sense to change the other 2 ( gallante, minimater) and introduce a 4th astro frig for amarr, just cause the 1 caldari was based on a different hull?
I don't care who you are, or where you come from, or what you want, but if you threaten my COFFEE, I'll kill you.
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Pirokobo
Orion Academy
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.05.29 16:46:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Pirokobo on 29/05/2008 16:46:38
It doesn't bother me that they're switching the Helios hull type, but rather that they haven't said what they'll do with the old Helios hull.
I'd LIKE to see them move it over to the Keres.
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Sole Trader
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Posted - 2008.05.29 17:55:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Sole Trader on 29/05/2008 18:00:38
Edited by: Sole Trader on 29/05/2008 17:57:43
Originally by: Pirokobo
Edited by: Pirokobo on 29/05/2008 16:46:38
It doesn't bother me that they're switching the Helios hull type, but rather that they haven't said what they'll do with the old Helios hull.
I'd LIKE to see them move it over to the Keres.
This exactly, Helios hull looks damn s****y as does the cheeta, would be a shame to loose these hulls altogether, i've got no problems with the model changes to cvops just please hang onto the assets and apply it to the keres and hyena, even if it means adding these in later patches, just don't discard them.
Edit*** Helios hull looks awesome, my previous descriptive apparently contained naughty words and the censored version suggests something negative.
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Gor Kraon
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.29 20:45:00 -
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If fluff consistency is the reason for this, change the Vargur model to that of the Maelstrom. Its not even remotely a Tempest after all... In fact, isn't the Kronos more like a Hyperion, and the Paladin more like a Abaddon.
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Ghostfire
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Posted - 2008.05.30 01:47:00 -
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I think the new Helios design is great ... good job. |
Ethaet
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.30 09:38:00 -
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Edited by: Ethaet on 30/05/2008 09:40:52
Originally by: Ghostfire
I think the new Helios design is great ... good job.
I think you have some kind of problem. You do realise the helios is the gallente one, right?
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Seriously, we need some kind of separation between the post and signature.
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Illwen
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Posted - 2008.05.31 05:45:00 -
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I think I'm gonna be physically ill......
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Servarius
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Posted - 2008.05.31 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos
....we can right all these wrongs.....
Who cares if it's wrong..it's been this way for how long..? Most of us, myself included, chose the helios based on it's looks. I do not want too look at the peice of crap it's being replaced with.
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