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Mahn AlNouhm
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.05.20 17:36:00 -
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I can't be arsed to get sisi set up again (not that it's a long process or particularly difficult to do, I just can't be arsed. Get off my back ;) ), but I was wondering about the status of AFs in this recent patch. Are they better? Unchanged? Reports from the field, plx.
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Mangala Solaris
Caldari
Ma'adim Logistics
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Posted - 2008.05.20 17:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Mahn AlNouhm
I can't be arsed to get sisi set up again (not that it's a long process or particularly difficult to do, I just can't be arsed. Get off my back ;) ), but I was wondering about the status of AFs in this recent patch. Are they better? Unchanged? Reports from the field, plx.
Gah.
Ask now, when I've wandered half a universe away from both of mine.
I'll pick up a new one of each (Harpy/Ishkur) and see what's changed - assuming anything did.
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Mangala Solaris
Caldari
Ma'adim Logistics
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Posted - 2008.05.20 18:00:00 -
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No change to either of the ones I have that I can see.
No love here :(
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Mahn AlNouhm
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.05.20 18:02:00 -
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It's a hard life God makes us live.
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Mahn AlNouhm
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.05.20 20:18:00 -
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I know it's silly to ask devs to answer questions on the forums, but I'm going to anyway.
Dear Devs,
I was just wondering if you were actively working on improving the AF situation. I won't be so foolish to ask an ETA, but perhaps you could give us a heads up about how far down the list of priorities the much awaited AF boost is. You guys are awesome, keep up the good work!
-Mahn
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MalVortex
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.20 20:40:00 -
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IIRC, they tested an AF boost on their internal server giving them a fourth racial specific bonus and lower mass. While it helped, I believe the conclusion was that they were still too weak to ever be used seriously, and were going to the drawing board for a proper fix.
That is all IIRC, mind you.
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Alex Medvedov
Minmatar
Soliders Of Eve
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.20 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: MalVortex
IIRC, they tested an AF boost on their internal server giving them a fourth racial specific bonus and lower mass. While it helped, I believe the conclusion was that they were still too weak to ever be used seriously, and were going to the drawing board for a proper fix.
That is all IIRC, mind you.
Yes I remember that answer from dev blog..but if I can speak for myself, even minor changes could help AFs a lot - if you guys in CCP have troubles with implementing web resistances or something like that ok, but in meantime could you please do something with AF clumsiness especially, it would help them a lot. I dont think majority of pilots will be using Afs unless you will meke them really uber, but there are many Afs enthusiasts, you know...:))Thank you very much!
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.05.21 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 21/05/2008 12:48:21
Originally by: Alex Medvedov
Originally by: MalVortex
IIRC, they tested an AF boost on their internal server giving them a fourth racial specific bonus and lower mass. While it helped, I believe the conclusion was that they were still too weak to ever be used seriously, and were going to the drawing board for a proper fix.
That is all IIRC, mind you.
Yes I remember that answer from dev blog..but if I can speak for myself, even minor changes could help AFs a lot - if you guys in CCP have troubles with implementing web resistances or something like that ok, but in meantime could you please do something with AF clumsiness especially, it would help them a lot. I dont think majority of pilots will be using Afs unless you will meke them really uber, but there are many Afs enthusiasts, you know...:))Thank you very much!
Precisely. The enthusiasts who are using them now would be overjoyed by the changes they've been pondering (in fact, most people who actually fly them list the two things they've fixed in the internal test as the crucial problems with AFs).
I know I'd personally be overjoyed with mass/4th bonus fixes, even if we don't get a 'role' bonus just yet. If the 'proper' fix is going to take a long while, the minor improvements listed would really really make the life of a AF pilot much easier then now and remove the two glaring issues with the ship class anyway.
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Eleana Tomelac
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2008.05.21 14:05:00 -
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It seems like not much in terms of ship modified stats or new faction ships.
I guess we have to wait until they tell us that sisi has exactly the things we will have in next patch. And even at that time it would not be final stats...
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Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
Star Buccaneers
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Posted - 2008.05.21 14:11:00 -
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I'm a AF enthusiast so bump
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HydroSan
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.21 14:11:00 -
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Haha, you guys think CCP are going to fix AFs one day.
That's cute.
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Johnny Silvertongue
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Posted - 2008.05.21 17:38:00 -
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I still use my Jaguar now n then because its sexy.
Would be nice if it was both sexy and actually more effective
so bmp.
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Central Research Nexus
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Posted - 2008.05.21 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 21/05/2008 17:42:55
Originally by: HydroSan
Haha, you guys think CCP are going to fix AFs one day.
That's cute.
This. And if they do 'fix' them, expect it to be a nerf of some sort.
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Arana Tellen
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2008.05.21 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 21/05/2008 17:42:55
Originally by: HydroSan
Haha, you guys think CCP are going to fix AFs one day.
That's cute.
This. And if they do 'fix' them, expect it to be a nerf of some sort.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.21 18:22:00 -
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they will just wait :)
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Manfred Rickenbocker
The Elliance
Delta.Green
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Posted - 2008.05.21 19:47:00 -
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Le sigh... here's hoping.
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Zeba
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.05.21 21:43:00 -
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Maybe retool all the AF along the lines of the Jaguar? Tbh its the only one I ever use due to the speed. |
Thorradin
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.22 02:10:00 -
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AF's only need a 4th bonus, and maybe some sort of anti-web ship bonus so that they don't just get touched with any sort of web and blown out of the sky by a battleship*.
Make all their 4th bonuses attack based, like a 5% dmg or rof increase.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.22 02:20:00 -
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here I was hoping for a EAF...
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.05.22 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 21/05/2008 17:42:55
Originally by: HydroSan
Haha, you guys think CCP are going to fix AFs one day.
That's cute.
This. And if they do 'fix' them, expect it to be a nerf of some sort.
I fully expect that if CCP scrapped a perfectly viable fix to give it a role that they'll make it a generally useless niche ship. |
Mahn AlNouhm
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.05.22 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
I fully expect that if CCP scrapped a perfectly viable fix to give it a role that they'll make it a generally useless niche ship.
As much as it pains me to admit it, you're probably right.
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Alex Medvedov
Soliders Of Eve
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.22 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Medvedov on 22/05/2008 19:50:29
After few hours of testing Faction warfare i came to conclusion that the mechanics of complex acessibility will hurt AFs even more. They cant acess minor plexes (only t1 frigs and destroyers can) so they need to be used in bigger plexes where they will be owned by ceptors and more importanly cruisers, which is not quite fair considering cruiser is about half of AF price. Its only my opinion.. sure more testing have to be done to determine if iam right or not..
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Fafnir Drake
Boob Heads
Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2008.05.22 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Medvedov
They cant acess minor plexes (only t1 frigs and destroyers can)
*facepalm* CCP, why? Just why? Assault FRIGATE? Not getting this? Assault frigs atm only work against crappily fitted cruisers and tech I frigs. So of course you ban them from joining the fight with stuff they can beat. (With crappily fitted cruisers [shield extended missile/laser using omen for example] it'll be first come, first served, then the assault frigs.
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Guns nButter
The Nietzian Way
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.22 20:13:00 -
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I like to fly the wolf, but it gets owned a little easily by destroyers :( i think AFs simply need an anti-web bonus and some extra defense. just make them beefy interceptors that aren't fast and youve done your job well.
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Gimpb
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Posted - 2008.05.22 23:43:00 -
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Taking their time to consider the bonusses and come up with something good for AFs makes sense.
But wouldn't it also make sense to go ahead and un-fat them? That seems like something that should be changed regardless of what else might happen.
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Zantei
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Posted - 2008.05.23 09:36:00 -
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The hp bewst really screwed things up for AFs. They used to be quite formidable before then, one being enough to make a few eyes focus on it to see what it did next.
50% damage bonus pls, k tnx.
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Arkios Odymei
Incarnation of Evil
Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.24 01:50:00 -
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Im bumping this back up to the front, because im a closet AF enthusiast.
In my opinion, CCP should do something with the AF's, even if they arent sure exactly what to do to make them "special".
They already said that they tried reducing their mass and giving them a fourth bonus, but it wasnt good enough so they left them in the crap state that they are
I say at least give them that! make them a little bit more usefull (right now they are pretty worthless in PvP), even if its just a hold-over until the real "oomph" arives... whatever that may be.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.24 05:02:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 24/05/2008 05:02:00
Originally by: Gimpb
Taking their time to consider the bonusses and come up with something good for AFs makes sense.
But wouldn't it also make sense to go ahead and un-fat them? That seems like something that should be changed regardless of what else might happen.
in one of my other posts I talked about making level 4 mission that you can only use tops tech 2 frigates.
If they liked that idea maybe AFs could be tweaked for these missions?
That or they could become the talked about command frigates.
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Corin Nebulon
Naqam
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.24 07:35:00 -
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Hmm,
making AF's only good for running some special lvl 4 missions isn't really the way to go imho. They need to be balanced in pvp situations and not for pve (afterall many can run lvl2's perfectly and lvl3's with some trouble... so there performance is between cruiser and bc, what is perfectly fine).
In pvp their main issue is, that they get outperformed and easily killed by almost all other ships and they don't have any role in a fleet. For a price of about 8mil isk, they need at least to be able to outperform cruisers.
I liked the idea of webbing resistances and maybe some afterburner specialization alot. It would also help if AF's could get a little higher warping speed, so they could be used together with inties for small raidgroups vs. bigger ships. Low sig radius (due to afterburner usage), high transversal (because of the ability to reach rather high speeds while being webbed), good resistances and armor reppers /shield boosters, could make this ships very survival in low orbits. The biggest problem i see, is that a group of AF's will have problems catching ships. Due to the "not so great" speed boost from the afterburner, every mwd fitted cruiser will outrun them (especially with all the tendency to nano ships).
I am not sure but I think I remembered someone saying at the alliance tournement or a devblog around that time, that ccp wants to have a closer look at the entire propulsion system and how speedmods work etc. Maybe ccp wants to make those changes first, and then make the AF changes, so they can balance AFs towards the new system.
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Bline Dist
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Posted - 2008.05.24 08:14:00 -
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As a fairly new character, it would be nice to have a worthwhile tech II ship that isn't an interceptor while waiting for cruiser V and everything else hacs/recons use. When a T1 cruiser is faster than a T2 frig and out-dps's it, well, they lose purpose as everyone's been saying. I'd sooner use a punisher than a retribution in PvP. Thats 6 less mil I have to spend when my ship blows up after one salvo of missiles.
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