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Ravcharas
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:00:00 -
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Will we get our battleship fives reimbursed too? |
Ravcharas
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:01:00 -
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For this kind of extensive renovation you should probably go ahead and reimburse pretty much every single spaceship command skillpoint |
Ravcharas
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:06:00 -
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My gut reaction is that adding even more skilltime to the queue for new players to get into a BS is not something you want. In fact I'd rather getting INTO ships was a quicker affair than today, but actually getting to the point where you get the best out of them took longer. |
Ravcharas
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:30:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Eugh.... Just what we always wanted... having to spend even *MORE* time cross-training to experience the different races and play styles of EvE.
Battlecruisers is one of the best skills there is for a very good reason; you spend a month training it and then it gives you lots of flexibility. You get it, and it opens lots of doors... and variety is what people enjoy.
If you do this, then a lot of people, myself included, are going to be pissed. It's introducing more drag just for the hell of it.
Three additional BC skills to four at the same is what? Another two weeks or something? Throw in one or two races to level five and it's about two more months of subscription time for CCP.
Get yer tinfoils on! |
Ravcharas
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:07:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Makalu Zarya wrote:So let me get this straight...you are going take people who can fly and have flown ALL battlecruisers perfectly and go...sorry we are gonna nerf you, enjoy retraining everything for another 4 months...oh and you can't fly command ships now either, because you have to train bc skill to V for all the respective races?
and same thing for dictors?
am I right or am i missing something here?
You're missing something :)
Hey if the tier system is bad why are you replacing it with the role system? Couldn't you just throw the tier system out and deal with every hull on its own?
From what I can figure out from the devblog, today you guys can't rebalance the Bellicose how you want to rebalance the Bellicose because HURRDURR it's a tier 2 cruiser. Wouldn't we be having the same problem in twelve months only then it'll be HURRDURR we can't rebalance it like we want because it's a support cruiser. |
Ravcharas
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:29:00 -
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Hitokiri Battoesai wrote:Luscius Uta wrote:Ethino wrote:So you're basicly telling me that i just wasted 26days to train for a Thanatos for NOTHING?   No, learn to read, you'll still keep your Gallente Battleship trained to V with all its beneftis apllied to Gallente battleships you fly. Unless you trained it to V just so you can get in a Thanny, in which case you made a bad decision of spending 30 days of training just to have a slightly better Carrier than other races can offer. I also wish I trained projectile turrets instead of lousy hybrids, but guess what, I have to stick with them now and I have to consider myself lucky because CCP made hybrids less sucky with Crucible. I would be happier if they reimbursed my skill points, but that doesn't mean my skillpoints put into hybrids are wasted. Training skill like Astrometic Acquisition to V is a waste, training any weapon or ship skill to V isn't. Wow You did not understand his statement at all. I have a cap pilot also, and there is no way I would have trained BS 5 on 2 races if I did not have to. My cap char never touches a BS. So everyone should get there lvl 5 BS sp back. If they want it there after the update they can put it back, but do not make people that already have cap chars suffer because of this change!
Not to mention supercap chars would definitely not have trained any BS to five if they didn't have to. |
Ravcharas
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:36:00 -
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My Neutral Toon wrote:Its not all about Skill Book progression, but CCP should be taking PLAYER SKILL PROGRESSION into account here too...
True for people's first char. When you're on your second or third alt it might get a wee bit tedious.
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Ravcharas
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Posted - 2012.03.06 19:52:00 -
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Silath Slyver Silverpine wrote:I'm glad CCP finally realized that there's a lot of hulls that are currently next to useless. I like the idea of giving each ship a place
I'm sure no one mourns the loss of the tier system.
However, they better not push each hull into a niche. Making a hull do something it's technically not supposed to in order to surprise your opponent is one of the best parts of Eve. So here's hoping they pull it off.
Like I said though, I'm worried they are painting themselves into just another corner trading tiers for roles. But when they start to release some stats we can make a judgement based on that instead of guesswork.
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Ravcharas
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Posted - 2012.03.06 21:08:00 -
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Raneru wrote:I cant wait for the Eve Newsletter email that proudly tells me that in the upcoming exciting expansion I'll be able to fly 15 less ships! 
It has repeatedly been clarified that this will not happen.
Any new player starting out will get less bang per skillpoint though, having to skill BC four times over instead of just once. Which is too bad really because whenever someone who is new to the game asks me what they should skill I usually tell them BC for that very reason - a hull size that is welcome in many different kinds of fleets, from small roams to large sov fights and also relatively quick to skill into.
So yeah, Malcanis Law strikes again. |
Ravcharas
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Posted - 2012.03.06 22:30:00 -
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Kitt JT wrote:
What I'm talking about is skills like "advanced spaceship command"
Why is advanced spaceship command 5 a requirement for capital ships?
Would it not make sense to have the requirement at 4? or even 1? or not at all?
The point is that its an extra 30 day skill that everybody flying carriers and dreads has to train, that doesn't really change anything (as everyone gets it) its a pointless filler-skill.
Similarly, jump drive operation.
Jump drive operation 5 is a requirement for JDC.
Fleets will NOT let anybody fly with them without JDC 4 (although JDC 5 requirement is becoming more common).
Its another needless 30 day skill that has no progression (you really don't have an extra 30 day skill that EVERYBODY needs for ALL capitals)
It's a subscription based game. There will usually be a couple of timegrinds to pad the bottom line. That's two months of gametime right there.
Which is a bit ****** but it sure beats microtransactions for advantage or convenience.
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Ravcharas
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:09:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:We will keep monitoring this thread and post updates in the next days if there are more issues coming up.
I'll keep hammering on this one because I really, really want an answer.
How will changing the arbitrary limitations of a tier based system into arbitrary limitations of a role based system help?
Couldn't you just throw the tier system out and deal with every hull on its own?
From what I can figure out from the devblog, today you guys can't rebalance the Bellicose how you want to rebalance the Bellicose because it's a tier 2 cruiser. Wouldn't we be having the same problem in twelve months only then it'll be we can't rebalance it like we want to because it's a support cruiser.
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Ravcharas
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Posted - 2013.02.11 17:57:00 -
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I think we should just go ahead and rename the whole damn game to "If You Can Fly It Before You Can Fly It After: Online." |
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