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Blue Binary Polychoron	Posted - 2008.05.21 16:35:00 - [1] First off i don't want to give the impression that extinct species will be here tomorrow. This is not a complete clone, rather "The thylacine DNA was resurrected, showing a function in the developing mouse cartilage, which will later form the bone." "Researchers from the University of Melbourne, Australia, and the University of Texas, USA, have extracted genes from the extinct Tasmanian tiger (thylacine), inserted it into a mouse and observed a biological function û this is a world first for the use of the DNA of an extinct species to induce a functional response in another living organism." The Tasmanian tiger became extinct in 1936, but samples were preserved. Soooo, in a few decades we might face the possibility of resurrecting a Mammoth or a Dodo? I recall that samples of a Mammoth were recovered from a frozen carcass in Siberia. Maybe in a few decades they could grow a Mammoth by inserting DNA into a modern elephant embryo, the species must be quite similar, although it's obviously it's a bit more complicated than that... ____________ Blue B⁫⁫⁫⁫inary
Micheal Dietrich Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.05.21 16:37:00 - [2] Screw mammoth's, I want a theme park full of dinosaurs!
Kyrall Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.21 16:40:00 - [3] Bring back the Dodo!! - Originally by: Kyrall Pfft antivirus? Real men use a hard drive tank.
kor anon Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.05.21 16:44:00 - [4] i don't know why money is wasted on crap like this. Whats the point? If they were destined to die out we should leave it there.
The TX Earth Inc. Zeta Tau Epsilon	Posted - 2008.05.21 16:47:00 - [5] Bring back the Neandathal so that WOW players have something in common with real people! -------------------- [Signature] [/Signature]
Blue Binary Polychoron	Posted - 2008.05.21 16:52:00 - [6] Originally by: kor anon i don't know why money is wasted on crap like this. Whats the point? If they were destined to die out we should leave it there. It was man that killed off the Tasmanian Tiger by hunting it to extinction. If man was responsible for the extinction, shouldn't we be responsible for bringing it back if we can? ____________ Blue B⁫⁫⁫⁫inary
kor anon Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.05.21 16:54:00 - [7] Originally by: Blue Binary Originally by: kor anon i don't know why money is wasted on crap like this. Whats the point? If they were destined to die out we should leave it there. It was man that killed off the Tasmanian Tiger by hunting it to extinction. If man was responsible for the extinction, shouldn't we be responsible for bringing it back if we can? not really no. Its something called nature. If its not strong enough to survive then it doesnt deserve to exist
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.05.21 17:01:00 - [8] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Blue Binary Originally by: kor anon i don't know why money is wasted on crap like this. Whats the point? If they were destined to die out we should leave it there. It was man that killed off the Tasmanian Tiger by hunting it to extinction. If man was responsible for the extinction, shouldn't we be responsible for bringing it back if we can? not really no. Its something called nature. If its not strong enough to survive then it doesnt deserve to exist Darwinism did not really call for humans to irradicate species carelessly. I would dare to say the individuals that followed the trends that led to the extinction of many animals should be put to a survival test themselves. Something like Survivng the Game Originally by: Kyrall Bring back the Dodo!! Why, so they can go extinct again? Originally by: The TX Bring back the Neandathal so that WOW players have something in common with real people! Had me rolling As for the OP this is interesting stuff and the possibilities are limited only be imagination. Slade
Blue Binary Polychoron	Posted - 2008.05.21 17:06:00 - [9] Originally by: kor anon not really no. Its something called nature. If its not strong enough to survive then it doesnt deserve to exist Well, thankfully there are organisations in this world that try to stop that from happening. Not many species could survive persecution by man. ____________ Blue B⁫⁫⁫⁫inary
kor anon Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.05.21 17:09:00 - [10] Originally by: Blue Binary Originally by: kor anon not really no. Its something called nature. If its not strong enough to survive then it doesnt deserve to exist Well, thankfully there are organisations in this world that try to stop that from happening. Not many species could survive persecution by man. Then they are weak as i said. Maybe i sound harsh and uncaring but I value human life a thousands times more than any animal
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.05.21 17:16:00 - [11] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 21/05/2008 17:16:56 Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Blue Binary Originally by: kor anon not really no. Its something called nature. If its not strong enough to survive then it doesnt deserve to exist Well, thankfully there are organisations in this world that try to stop that from happening. Not many species could survive persecution by man. Then they are weak as i said. Maybe i sound harsh and uncaring but I value human life a thousands times more than any animal Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Blue Binary Originally by: kor anon not really no. Its something called nature. If its not strong enough to survive then it doesnt deserve to exist Well, thankfully there are organisations in this world that try to stop that from happening. Not many species could survive persecution by man. Then they are weak as i said. Maybe i sound harsh and uncaring but I value human life a thousands times more than any animal This is not a question of the value of human life and if anything this reaserch can and will lead to advances that benefit mankind many time over. How about your dog barks all freaking night and the whole neighborhood is going crazy due to lack of sleep. Is it fine then for me to come and kill it so all the humans within proximity of your house can sleep better? I doubt it. Come with better arguments then humans are higher and mightier therefor only they deserve to be on this planet. Slade
RedClaws Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.05.21 17:17:00 - [12] We aren't killing humans to bring back extinct species so whats your point?
kor anon Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.05.21 17:20:00 - [13] Originally by: RedClaws We aren't killing humans to bring back extinct species so whats your point? my point the money wasted on crap like this could be put to better usage, ie medical research funds, and charitable organisations
kor anon Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.05.21 17:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Slade Trillgon P.S. I would like to see you man up against any tiger a year or older. Now that I would pay for ok you bring the tiger ill bring the sledgehammer
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.05.21 17:30:00 - [15] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Slade Trillgon P.S. I would like to see you man up against any tiger a year or older. Now that I would pay for ok you bring the tiger ill bring the sledgehammer You still don't get it. Survial of the species has nothing to do with mans ability to take advantage of his opposable thumb and his brain to create tools. If a tiger could not handle you with a sledgehammer then a Silverback with a sledgehammer could handle you with a sledgehammer. A sledgehammer is a 2 handed weapon and you would be better of with a plain old sword Slade
Micheal Dietrich Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.05.21 17:33:00 - [16] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: RedClaws We aren't killing humans to bring back extinct species so whats your point? my point the money wasted on crap like this could be put to better usage, ie medical research funds, and charitable organisations Medical. Research. Funds. Does anyone else see it?
kor anon Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.05.21 17:34:00 - [17] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Slade Trillgon P.S. I would like to see you man up against any tiger a year or older. Now that I would pay for ok you bring the tiger ill bring the sledgehammer You still don't get it. Survial of the species has nothing to do with mans ability to take advantage of his opposable thumb and his brain to create tools. If a tiger could not handle you with a sledgehammer then a Silverback with a sledgehammer could handle you with a sledgehammer. A sledgehammer is a 2 handed weapon and you would be better of with a plain old sword Slade 1. i beg to differ. The tigers natural weapons are its claws and teeth, mine is ingenuity and thumbs. 2. if thats the case ill bring a shotgun 3. ive got one with a fibreglass shaft, makes it easier to handle, and the weight focused at the front enables powerful strikes
kor anon Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.05.21 17:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: kor anon Originally by: RedClaws We aren't killing humans to bring back extinct species so whats your point? my point the money wasted on crap like this could be put to better usage, ie medical research funds, and charitable organisations Medical. Research. Funds. Does anyone else see it? sigh.. please explain to me the benefits of this scheme and how it helps us, then maybe i'll conceed the point. I was talking about you know vacines cures and others. but please link the two if you can
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.05.21 17:43:00 - [19] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: RedClaws We aren't killing humans to bring back extinct species so whats your point? my point the money wasted on crap like this could be put to better usage, ie medical research funds, and charitable organisations Back on topic sice I missed this while I was typing. If this is what you wanted to say then that is what you should have started with that. This is a reasonable argument that I can swallow; somewhat. I would say to this that genetic research in any venue has potential use in human medical research. Also, do you know how many naturally occuring poisons from plants and animals (that have only recently been discovered) in rainforest are currently being used in medical research. I sit and wonder how many species that we have eradicated from this planet (plant and animal) that could solve how many of our current medical issues. What if we find out that an extinct animal could have some profound benefit on medical technology. Would people then be upset that his research had been stiffeled by conservatives? Any type of scientic research can lead to profound discoveries in other fields of thought. Slade
Micheal Dietrich Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.05.21 17:44:00 - [20] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: kor anon my point the money wasted on crap like this could be put to better usage, ie medical research funds, and charitable organisations Medical. Research. Funds. Does anyone else see it? sigh.. please explain to me the benefits of this scheme and how it helps us, then maybe i'll conceed the point. I was talking about you know vacines cures and others. but please link the two if you can Using DNA to regrow body parts for people who lost them? Using DNA to make hard to get blood types or organs? Using DNA to find the code that leads to obisity, diabetes, heart problems, bad eyesight, balding, and other genetic issues? Using DNA to make leaner beef, larger vegetables, more disease resistant crops? Using DNA to clear people of a crime they didn't commit? Using DNA to make more sheep to *****and giving pigs the ability to glow in the dark? Me thinks DNA research, even to bring back once extinct critters, is a major advancement in Medical Research.
kor anon Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.05.21 17:48:00 - [21] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Originally by: kor anon Originally by: RedClaws We aren't killing humans to bring back extinct species so whats your point? my point the money wasted on crap like this could be put to better usage, ie medical research funds, and charitable organisations Back on topic sice I missed this while I was typing. If this is what you wanted to say then that is what you should have started with that. This is a reasonable argument that I can swallow; somewhat. I would say to this that genetic research in any venue has potential use in human medical research. Also, do you know how many naturally occuring poisons from plants and animals (that have only recently been discovered) in rainforest are currently being used in medical research. I sit and wonder how many species that we have eradicated from this planet (plant and animal) that could solve how many of our current medical issues. What if we find out that an extinct animal could have some profound benefit on medical technology. Would people then be upset that his research had been stiffeled by conservatives? Any type of scientic research can lead to profound discoveries in other fields of thought. Slade I see your arguement and it has merit. If they only ressurected creatures that had a profound benefit for us then i'd have no problem. BUT it seems to me this research is only being done to prove they can do it, the god complex if you will.
kor anon Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.05.21 17:50:00 - [22] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: kor anon my point the money wasted on crap like this could be put to better usage, ie medical research funds, and charitable organisations Medical. Research. Funds. Does anyone else see it? sigh.. please explain to me the benefits of this scheme and how it helps us, then maybe i'll conceed the point. I was talking about you know vacines cures and others. but please link the two if you can Using DNA to regrow body parts for people who lost them? Using DNA to make hard to get blood types or organs? Using DNA to find the code that leads to obisity, diabetes, heart problems, bad eyesight, balding, and other genetic issues? Using DNA to make leaner beef, larger vegetables, more disease resistant crops? Using DNA to clear people of a crime they didn't commit? Using DNA to make more sheep to *****and giving pigs the ability to glow in the dark? Me thinks DNA research, even to bring back once extinct critters, is a major advancement in Medical Research. What the hell are you talking about, where is the link between this research and any of those points? and frankly that poor joke has discredited your argument
Bobbie Chilli	Posted - 2008.05.21 17:54:00 - [23] Top three creatures i want ressurected: 1. T-rex 2. Sabre-tooth tiger 3. Dodo (i hear it tastes good and i am bored of kfc)
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.05.21 17:56:00 - [24] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Slade Trillgon Originally by: kor anon Originally by: RedClaws We aren't killing humans to bring back extinct species so whats your point? my point the money wasted on crap like this could be put to better usage, ie medical research funds, and charitable organisations Back on topic sice I missed this while I was typing. If this is what you wanted to say then that is what you should have started with that. This is a reasonable argument that I can swallow; somewhat. I would say to this that genetic research in any venue has potential use in human medical research. Also, do you know how many naturally occuring poisons from plants and animals (that have only recently been discovered) in rainforest are currently being used in medical research. I sit and wonder how many species that we have eradicated from this planet (plant and animal) that could solve how many of our current medical issues. What if we find out that an extinct animal could have some profound benefit on medical technology. Would people then be upset that his research had been stiffeled by conservatives? Any type of scientic research can lead to profound discoveries in other fields of thought. Slade I see your arguement and it has merit. If they only ressurected creatures that had a profound benefit for us then i'd have no problem. BUT it seems to me this research is only being done to prove they can do it, the god complex if you will. Well first it has to proven that it can be done before it can be put to its ultimate uses right? I would dare say that not a single one of these scientist would say or think that they are god. That is just a right wing argumnet to stifle advancmnet. If a God/s thought this was truely wrong and that the scientists were steppin on their toes I think the God/s would interven in a very significant and direct manner themselves. Secondly, how do you define profound benefit. What about the loss of certain species on ecological environments? That has little to do with human life and more to do with preserving our planet. Slade
Micheal Dietrich Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.05.21 18:02:00 - [25] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Using DNA to regrow body parts for people who lost them? Using DNA to make hard to get blood types or organs? Using DNA to find the code that leads to obisity, diabetes, heart problems, bad eyesight, balding, and other genetic issues? Using DNA to make leaner beef, larger vegetables, more disease resistant crops? Using DNA to clear people of a crime they didn't commit? Using DNA to make more sheep to ***and giving pigs the ability to glow in the dark? Me thinks DNA research, even to bring back once extinct critters, is a major advancement in Medical Research. What the hell are you talking about, where is the link between this research and any of those points? and frankly that poor joke has discredited your argument Quote: to "reconstruct new skin, muscles and tendons, and even ears, noses and fingers." Or, as the Army surgeon general that'll be overseeing the program puts it: if an animal like a salamander can regrow a lost tail or limb, "Why can't a mammal do the same thing?" Quote:** The less illustrious approach is promising, in their view, because it is the solution that nature itself has developed for repairing damaged limbs or organs in a wide variety of animals. L2Investigate. Everything I listed is out there you lazy bastard, including my discredited 'joke'
kor anon Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.05.21 18:04:00 - [26] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 21/05/2008 17:56:37 Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Slade Trillgon Originally by: kor anon Originally by: RedClaws We aren't killing humans to bring back extinct species so whats your point? my point the money wasted on crap like this could be put to better usage, ie medical research funds, and charitable organisations Back on topic sice I missed this while I was typing. If this is what you wanted to say then that is what you should have started with that. This is a reasonable argument that I can swallow; somewhat. I would say to this that genetic research in any venue has potential use in human medical research. Also, do you know how many naturally occuring poisons from plants and animals (that have only recently been discovered) in rainforest are currently being used in medical research. I sit and wonder how many species that we have eradicated from this planet (plant and animal) that could solve how many of our current medical issues. What if we find out that an extinct animal could have some profound benefit on medical technology. Would people then be upset that his research had been stiffeled by conservatives? Any type of scientic research can lead to profound discoveries in other fields of thought. Slade I see your arguement and it has merit. If they only ressurected creatures that had a profound benefit for us then i'd have no problem. BUT it seems to me this research is only being done to prove they can do it, the god complex if you will. Well first it has to proven that it can be done before it can be put to its ultimate uses right? I would dare say that not a single one of these scientist would say or think that they are god. That is just a right wing argumnet to stifle advancmnet. If a God/s thought this was truely wrong and that the scientists were steppin on their toes I think the God/s would interven in a very significant and direct manner themselves. Secondly, how do you define profound benefit. What about the loss of certain species on ecological environments? That has little to do with human life and more to do with preserving our planet. Slade EDIT: Off work to go and watch the Champions League Final 1. Not really trying to stifle advancement here im all for development, but id rather have more important areas first. 2. Im not a religious person, and even if there was a god screw him 3. For me a profound benefit would be ridding the world of a disease/virus etc. Plus the ecological environments can change, thats the beauty of nature. 4. Enjoy the match im watching it now
kor anon Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.05.21 18:06:00 - [27] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Using DNA to regrow body parts for people who lost them? Using DNA to make hard to get blood types or organs? Using DNA to find the code that leads to obisity, diabetes, heart problems, bad eyesight, balding, and other genetic issues? Using DNA to make leaner beef, larger vegetables, more disease resistant crops? Using DNA to clear people of a crime they didn't commit? Using DNA to make more sheep to ***and giving pigs the ability to glow in the dark? Me thinks DNA research, even to bring back once extinct critters, is a major advancement in Medical Research. What the hell are you talking about, where is the link between this research and any of those points? and frankly that poor joke has discredited your argument Quote: to "reconstruct new skin, muscles and tendons, and even ears, noses and fingers." Or, as the Army surgeon general that'll be overseeing the program puts it: if an animal like a salamander can regrow a lost tail or limb, "Why can't a mammal do the same thing?" Quote:** The less illustrious approach is promising, in their view, because it is the solution that nature itself has developed for repairing damaged limbs or organs in a wide variety of animals. L2Investigate. Everything I listed is out there you lazy bastard, including my discredited 'joke' insults will get you no where my friend. Why the hell should i research for your arguement? thats your job to provide the information.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.21 18:13:00 - [28] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: kor anon Originally by: RedClaws We aren't killing humans to bring back extinct species so whats your point? my point the money wasted on crap like this could be put to better usage, ie medical research funds, and charitable organisations Medical. Research. Funds. Does anyone else see it? sigh.. please explain to me the benefits of this scheme and how it helps us, then maybe i'll conceed the point. I was talking about you know vacines cures and others. but please link the two if you can Science is all about the art of the tangent. A very great many great discoveries have been made, over the years, while pursuing completely unrelated and possibly pointless research. It's how we learn things: finding puzzles to keep ourselves entertained. The Tasmanian Tiger was made extinct by an unfortunate combination of intense human hunting and a bout of seasonal illness; while you could call this natural selection (and I suppose it is) it could also be interpreted as nothing but a run of really bad luck. But thats beside the point really. One thing that probably is looking good is the money- the wonderful world of tourist revenue. Imagine what you could charge for tickets to a wildlife park featuring EXTINCT animals. I bet Australia would remake the money invested in the science, and then some. If you want a reason for doing it, thats a pretty compelling one ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
kor anon Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.05.21 18:15:00 - [29] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: kor anon Originally by: RedClaws We aren't killing humans to bring back extinct species so whats your point? my point the money wasted on crap like this could be put to better usage, ie medical research funds, and charitable organisations Medical. Research. Funds. Does anyone else see it? sigh.. please explain to me the benefits of this scheme and how it helps us, then maybe i'll conceed the point. I was talking about you know vacines cures and others. but please link the two if you can Science is all about the art of the tangent. A very great many great discoveries have been made, over the years, while pursuing completely unrelated and possibly pointless research. It's how we learn things: finding puzzles to keep ourselves entertained. The Tasmanian Tiger was made extinct by an unfortunate combination of intense human hunting and a bout of seasonal illness; while you could call this natural selection (and I suppose it is) it could also be interpreted as nothing but a run of really bad luck. But thats beside the point really. One thing that probably is looking good is the money- the wonderful world of tourist revenue. Imagine what you could charge for tickets to a wildlife park featuring EXTINCT animals. I bet Australia would remake the money invested in the science, and then some. If you want a reason for doing it, thats a pretty compelling one Hehe spending money to make even moar money.. i like this concept
Micheal Dietrich Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.05.21 18:17:00 - [30] Originally by: kor anon Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: kor anon insults will get you no where my friend. Why the hell should i research for your arguement? thats your job to provide the information. Debate wasn't a strong point for ya eh. How can you argue against something when you don't know anything about it. I was proven wrong and now I have to use the petty insult card to get out of the thread. Fixed. I'll be waiting when you come back and can provide links that shows that this isn't benificial in any way.

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