| Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
kor anon
Ministry of War
   |
Posted - 2008.05.21 18:25:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: kor anon
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: kor anon
insults will get you no where my friend. Why the hell should i research for your arguement? thats your job to provide the information.
Debate wasn't a strong point for ya eh. How can you argue against something when you don't know anything about it.
I was proven wrong and now I have to use the petty insult card to get out of the thread.
Fixed. I'll be waiting when you come back and can provide links that shows that this isn't benificial in any way.
I think you'll find nowhere in my posts did i say it wouldn't be beneficiary. I merely said they there are better options. But if it means so very much to you I was wrong. feel better now?
|
Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
|
Posted - 2008.05.21 22:39:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Blue Binary
Edited by: Blue Binary on 21/05/2008 18:29:54
Originally by: kor anon
my point the money wasted on crap like this could be put to better usage, ie medical research funds, and charitable organisations
"This research has enormous potential for many applications including the development of new biomedicines..." See the linked article in the OP.
I think the research is an effort to understand the evolution of genes. They are researching the history of the "thylacine Col2a1" gene by extracting it from an extinct species and "bringing it back to life" in another mammal. The by-product of this research could result in advances in biomedicines and the (possible) resurrection of extinct species.
EDIT: Just highlighting that bit, because it seems to have been missed in the sea of flames.
Right there with you brother. I follow with some links to back you up.
Fever Reducers
Neurotoxins and Parkinson's
Read this and then tell me that having the option to recreate long lost animal and plant species is not a potentially good idea
Slade
|
Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
|
Posted - 2008.05.21 23:09:00 -
[33]
Kor anor, go crawl back in a hole somewhere.
I bet you think the International Space Station and NASA are useless too, huh?
Blah.
Ignorance.
Anywho, sweet. Resurrect cavemen, then WoW players AND Goons have real cousins. |
kor anon
Ministry of War
|
Posted - 2008.05.22 08:40:00 -
[34]
@slade: Perhaps it is a good idea after all, i was incorrect in saying that it was a waste of money. Thanks for providing proof in a polite manner.
@atmos: jumping on the bandwagon eh? nvm. I didn't realise having a different opinion to yours was so very wrong. 
|
Evolutius
|
Posted - 2008.05.22 11:21:00 -
[35]
We should learn everything we can about everything we can. I don't believe learning things is playing God. Playing God is a pretty complicated part...and would require much further study.
|
Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
|
Posted - 2008.05.22 17:57:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 22/05/2008 18:01:45
Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 22/05/2008 18:01:05
Originally by: kor anon
@slade: Perhaps it is a good idea after all, i was incorrect in saying that it was a waste of money. Thanks for providing proof in a polite manner.
The earlier post was done in haste, so here are a few others. Once again I wish I had access to my Universitties research database. Then I could find a number of refered sources.
________________________________________________________________________
July 3, 2006 ù "By the end of the 21st century, 12 percent of all known bird species may become extinct due to human activities, according to an alarming new study that also determined birds are now dying off at a rate of one species per year....
Perhaps most disturbing is the fact that birds are faring better than most other animals and plants, which are experiencing extinctions at even higher rates.
Birds are literally the bellwether of whatÆs going on," explained Raven. "The best-known group of organisms of their size, they give us a fair minimum estimate of extinction rates. Overall, we continue to estimate that more than two-thirds of all species of non-bacterial organisms are likely to become extinct during the course of this century, but only an eighth to a quarter of the bird species."
_______________________________________________________________________
There is hope since many species have yet to be discovered. With this fact it makes the fact that we have lost and will continue to loose so many species, of plants/animlas/bacteria etc, that much more disturbing.
_______________________________________________________________________
14 potential new species recently reported as dicovered in Brazil.
I ask how many acres of rainforest have humans carelessly destroyed over the past 200 years? And within these many acres how many species that were not discovered are now gone? Not because they were weak, but that we did not think about the long lasting consequences of our semi-parasitic nature.
_______________________________________________________________________
With every new species found the number of new chemicals for research rises. If scientist could determine specific extinct creatures that would have medical benefits and concentrated on recreating those; then the concept of Biological recreation from DNA remains could prove to be one of histories greatest scientific breakthroughs. But if it is used for sensationalism then everyone looses. The real problem here is finding and identifying the truely beneficial species to be granted a 2nd chance, lol.
Slade
|
Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L.
The ENTITY.
|
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:14:00 -
[37]
Originally by: kor anon
@atmos: jumping on the bandwagon eh? nvm. I didn't realise having a different opinion to yours was so very wrong.
Fact > Opinions
Fact: You're an ignorant *****.
_
|
Jacob Mei
|
Posted - 2008.05.22 18:16:00 -
[38]
Can you say Jarrassic Park? Chances are though no one will have the forsight to use an island and they will build it in the heart land of America...
--------------------------------
To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
|
Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
|
Posted - 2008.05.22 19:11:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Raymond Sterns
Originally by: kor anon
@atmos: jumping on the bandwagon eh? nvm. I didn't realise having a different opinion to yours was so very wrong.
Fact > Opinions
Fact: You're an ignorant *****.
He "retracted" his previous statments
here \/
Originally by: kor anon
@slade: Perhaps it is a good idea after all, i was incorrect in saying that it was a waste of money. Thanks for providing proof in a polite manner.
@atmos: jumping on the bandwagon eh? nvm. I didn't realise having a different opinion to yours was so very wrong.
Slade
|
Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
|
Posted - 2008.05.22 19:18:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: Raymond Sterns
Originally by: kor anon
@atmos: jumping on the bandwagon eh? nvm. I didn't realise having a different opinion to yours was so very wrong.
Fact > Opinions
Fact: You're an ignorant *****.
He "retracted" his previous statments
here \/
Originally by: kor anon
@slade: Perhaps it is a good idea after all, i was incorrect in saying that it was a waste of money. Thanks for providing proof in a polite manner.
@atmos: jumping on the bandwagon eh? nvm. I didn't realise having a different opinion to yours was so very wrong.
Slade
Hence why I stopped posting
|
Quaxtl
|
Posted - 2008.05.22 20:28:00 -
[41]
My god text pyramids are difficult to read.
Why is this any different to producing a human? Why not cut the crap and attempt that. Bloody ethics...
Hell, if anything, bringing back extinct creatures is a bad idea... no doubt people will try and reintroduce them into their old habitat. That will lead to a FAIL of epic proportions.
Anyhow, if the succeed, we WILL see Jurassic park within the century. Thats a capitalist gurantee. Nature can go screw itself and all that... 
|
Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
|
Posted - 2008.05.22 20:51:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Quaxtl
My god text pyramids are difficult to read.
Why is this any different to producing a human? Why not cut the crap and attempt that. Bloody ethics...
Hell, if anything, bringing back extinct creatures is a bad idea... no doubt people will try and reintroduce them into their old habitat. That will lead to a FAIL of epic proportions.
Anyhow, if the succeed, we WILL see Jurassic park within the century. Thats a capitalist gurantee. Nature can go screw itself and all that...
Me feels you did not read the thread since it hurts your eyes.
But the only person in the thread that had your same view retracted their argument. Yes misuse is an issue, but is that not an issue with all new technologies? There are potentially extremely positive uses from this technology.
Just check out a few of the links that I have posted 1 and 2 posts up. If these do not at least open your mind a bit then meh you have a right to your opinion
And yes any idiot that wants to comercialize this technology needs to be enlightened a good bit and be thrown into whatever creatures cage he decide to recreate for shock and aw 
Slade
P.S. I do not know why I can't let this go but I think it has something to do with I actually deal with individuals on a daily basis that could significantly benefit from the potential benefits if this technology is allowed to advance.
Imagine getting your leg amputated or you became a tetraplegia/quadrapalegic when you are 25, or your kid having leukemia at age 8 or cerebral palsy at birth, or watching your spouse decay in a state of dillusion from Alzhimers.
P.S. I also am a believer in Euthanasia
|
Quaxtl
|
Posted - 2008.05.22 21:30:00 -
[43]
I'm not saying it is bad, rather, I'm critising current moral and ethical boundries that are inhibiting the rapid advance of medical science (some of them mind you, not all of them).
And on the misuse - one thing is preventing a species from becoming extinct, it's another to reintroduce it into the world. And thats what people will try to do. And it will undoubtably have a bad impact on ecosystems.
With that in mind, I think the focus of the experiment is what could be improved.
|
Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
|
Posted - 2008.05.22 21:42:00 -
[44]
Originally by: kor anon
Originally by: Blue Binary
Originally by: kor anon
not really no. Its something called nature. If its not strong enough to survive then it doesnt deserve to exist
Well, thankfully there are organisations in this world that try to stop that from happening. Not many species could survive persecution by man.
Then they are weak as i said. Maybe i sound harsh and uncaring but I value human life a thousands times more than any animal
Human life itself depends on many animals, so by your reckoning we should be extinct for not being able to handle ourselfs alone?
|
slip66
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2008.05.22 23:48:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Screw mammoth's, I want a theme park full of dinosaurs!
rolf
|
Blue Binary
Polychoron
|
Posted - 2008.05.23 12:11:00 -
[46]
A lot to digest there Slade. 
There is a lot we don't know about the different animal & plant species in the world, especially in the deepest jungles where it is difficult to cover every square foot. There may well be species that have already been made extinct that we never knew about.
But so long as countries continue to develop their economies by harvesting the rainforest for resources, and policies of slash 'n burn to make way for agriculture, we may well be poorer (knowledge wise) for it in the long run. You can't really fault them for developing their economies, it's just that it is badly managed.
Whether the drought in the Amazon can be linked to man's actions is debatable, it certainly did not help the situation. My point is that the ecosystem/foodchain was put under pressure and their must have been casualties that we may never know about; which have been lost forever.
There is action being taken to protect plant species from extinction. The Svalbard Global Seed Vault in Norway has been collecting seed samples (over 10,000) for several years, but it's probably a drop in the ocean compared to the number of species in the world, but it is a start. Kind of a Noah's Ark should something hit the fan. It might be a good idea to start preserving the DNA of all animal species for the same purpose...
____________
Blue Binary |
Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
|
Posted - 2008.05.23 16:14:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Blue Binary
A lot to digest there Slade.
There is a lot we don't know about the different animal & plant species in the world, especially in the deepest jungles where it is difficult to cover every square foot. There may well be species that have already been made extinct that we never knew about.
But so long as countries continue to develop their economies by harvesting the rainforest for resources, and policies of slash 'n burn to make way for agriculture, we may well be poorer (knowledge wise) for it in the long run. You can't really fault them for developing their economies, it's just that it is badly managed.
There is action being taken to protect plant species from extinction. The Svalbard Global Seed Vault in Norway has been collecting seed samples (over 10,000) for several years, but it's probably a drop in the ocean compared to the number of species in the world, but it is a start. Kind of a Noah's Ark should something hit the fan. It might be a good idea to start preserving the DNA of all animal species for the same purpose...
You hit my nail on the head about species that have gone extinct do to mans carelessness and not due to thei own biological weaknesses.
I recently saw a documentary about a group of scientists using a technique, can not find the name of the technique, to quickly draw up a special diagram of one of Africas' rainforests. I can not remeber what the technique was called but they brought in specialists from differing biological fields to do a very quick survey of the forests animal and plant populations to find justification to get the forest protected. I saw no further follow up, but I beleive that in the extremely quick survey, that threw out conventional survey techniques, found a good number of new species. Hopefully it was enough.
Slade
|
P'uck
|
Posted - 2008.05.23 18:37:00 -
[48]
Edited by: P''uck on 23/05/2008 18:38:32
Originally by: kor anon
Then they are weak as i said. Maybe i sound harsh and uncaring but I value human life a thousands times more than any animal
i stopped reading there, so i dont know, how thoroughly this has been covered, so let me just say this:
it COULD as well be a weakness of us humans that, at a certain evolutionary stage, we didnt take responsibility over other species.
lets say a species is "weak",as you call it, and goes extinct. but this could lead to a complex chain reaction of other species going extinct, and maybe those were NECESSARY for our survival, in one way or another.
since we grew so "intelligent" that we dominate this planet with our ability to build and use tools, we might have moved ourselves in a position in which we need to take care of other beings. which would make us "strong", because we ensured our survival that way.
im not saying this is true, but if it is (and its very well possible) you contradict yourself.
|
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor tribe
|
Posted - 2008.05.23 19:02:00 -
[49]
Bring back the Kiwi!
() ()
(â;..;)â
(")(") |
| |
|
| Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |