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Heinky Viziam	Posted - 2008.05.22 13:17:00 - [1] When people hear the name CVA they think of an alliance that is doing great things for the Amarr Empire and they pride them selfs of that. They set providence "free" from the Empire hostiles, They crushed ushra khan and so forth. They have done some good things in the past wich Top leaders of the empire like me really applaud. But look at them now, last night me and a friend(Lord tikaden) traveled to misaba in domain region, where alot of cva pilots hang about beeing the entry point to providence. There we were attecked by cva without notice and beeing neutral too them. CVA engage in piracy around domain region alot now, They fly ships designed by the enemy and praise them as beeing better then the once from the empire, they use enemy structures in providence such as sansha towers and guns, They have made the Empire angry and need to turn their ways around. The Amarr Empire has chosen two of its best special ops commanders Me and Lord tikaden to destroy any cva pirates in domain and we welcome other people that are really TRUE to the Empire to join us in this campain. Heinky Amarr empire special ops commander.
Spoon Thumb Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 13:25:00 - [2] Originally by: Heinky I engage in piracy around domain region alot now Fixed it for you
Heinky Viziam	Posted - 2008.05.22 13:28:00 - [3] CVA attecked on when we arrived in misaba, u are the pirates.
Spoon Thumb Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 13:50:00 - [4] In all seriousness, if you believe a CVA member has comitted an act of piracy, please take it up with one of our diplomats, such as Equinox Daedalus, for them to properly investigate it. We have a zero tolerance policy to pirates both within CVA and with anyone in the Deliverance area CVA is not institutionally pirate. We have a proven track record of anti-piracy, we have an auditable system for ensuring only pirates are set to KOS and shot, we have appeal processes and ultimately we are accountable to the Amarr Empire Can't comment on your case specifically, but this is the third or fourth such accusation made on the forums rather than through the proper channels in the last few months, so I'm not exactly sympathetic to your cause, considering the manner in which you choose to take this up
Heinky Viziam	Posted - 2008.05.22 13:54:00 - [5] Trust me ive tried talking to cva about it before, They just say your ex Burn eden so your perma pirate. But tell me, if cva are not pirate why are u attecking people in low sec all the time and ALOT of your players have hige negetive security status too prove it.
Spoon Thumb Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 14:01:00 - [6] Oh, well Burn Eden use people not necessarily in their corporation as proxies and allies for their nefarious pirate deeds. This is a well known fact and it has been well documented that people whos previous employment history has included a stint with BE are in fact employed by them despite being officially registered with Concord as being in other corporations, to help them in their piratical campaigns Your arrival in the region right when BE have a campaign on, accompanied by the fact many of your cohorts in viziam and other non-capsuleer organisations have already comitted crimes in BE's most recent and currently active campaign in the area is further evidence that you are in fact, still in a league with them There aren't many exceptions to those we offer redemption to, but BE are an exception for the above reasons. My advice is if you are genuiely nothing to do with them, I suggest you never come back to the region, and then we will never have any problems, won't pursue you etc
oodin The IMorral MAjority Imorral Dragons	Posted - 2008.05.22 14:25:00 - [7] Originally by: Heinky They just say your ex Burn eden so your perma pirate.
posteroid im right your wrong	Posted - 2008.05.22 14:26:00 - [8] I have seen a lot of CVA gangs in other 0.0 areas of eve running gangs and generally enjoying pvp fights. Now does this mean that CVA are pirates in others space as you seem to consider/define anybody who comes into your space pirates or are you just slightly hypocritical about the whole pvp issue?.
Heinky Viziam	Posted - 2008.05.22 14:29:00 - [9] Well, running gangs in 0.0 and fighting enemy is very much diffrent. What im talking about is killing neutrals in low sec space, coz cva say they dont kill neutrals and that space is not even their space.
Niding Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 14:35:00 - [10] The CVA files have extensive records of you and your friend Lord tikaden's crimes in our area. This puts you firmly on our KOS list, regardless of corp. If your genuine about getting off said list, please contact Equinox about reembursment of past kills on neutrals/Providence citizens. Such reembursment is a measurement wether or not your desire to embrace NRDS is genuine. Failing to resort this on a diplomatical level means you will remain on the KOS list for the forseeable future.

oodin The IMorral MAjority Imorral Dragons	Posted - 2008.05.22 14:35:00 - [11] Originally by: Heinky Well, running gangs in 0.0 and fighting enemy is very much diffrent. What im talking about is killing neutrals in low sec space, coz cva say they dont kill neutrals and that space is not even their space. you sure you show as neutral? maybe the emperor told everyone in cva to add you to theire buddylist cause your kos
Ikar Kaltin Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 16:26:00 - [12] Working with Burn Eden or any other pirate entities will not be tolerated. Does not suprise me that members of a non capsuleerer training corp would be strategically placed working with Burn Eden. Piracy in any forms will not be tolerated.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 16:50:00 - [13] Hearing such allegations from a Burn Eden operative is immensely satisfying. On behalf of CVA, thank you, and we'll be seeing you around I'm sure.
Heinky Viziam	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:37:00 - [14] We have nothing to do with burn eden corp other than having it in out employment history.
posteroid im right your wrong	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:46:00 - [15] Edited by: posteroid on 22/05/2008 17:53:10 Originally by: Garreck Hearing such allegations from a Burn Eden operative is immensely satisfying. On behalf of CVA, thank you, and we'll be seeing you around I'm sure. I would not be overly proud of things tbh as from what i can gather they kicked the crap out of the CVA ships that attacked them in low sec. Although id like a answer to my previous question about how CVA can call BE pirates for pvping in CVA space while CVA regularly field fleets into surrounding areas to engage in PVP (or piracy using their terminology).
Hardin Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:47:00 - [16] Edited by: Hardin on 22/05/2008 17:47:35 Quote: We have nothing to do with burn eden corp other than having it in out employment history. How strange that you should both turn up in Misaba then at the same time that Burn Eden and Terra Incognita decided to initiate camping operations in R3 Regardless of that 'coincidence' the CVA would still maintain you as KOS unless you approached one of appointed diplomats and provided us with recompense for your previous sins... I would say I am sorry for your ship losses but until you renounce your criminal ways and dedicate your talents to the protection of the weak and the upholding of Amarrian civilisation I can merely say good riddance. Until you truly repent your sins we shall continue to harass you and your Burn Eden associates in Amarrian Providence ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services Advert
Sith8 The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:58:00 - [17] One might think that CVA would embrace the pilots of Viziam in low security Amarr Space, after all Viziam is the birth place of so many of the Emperors own. But CVA have heinously broken their own rules, rules that they have used as showpiece of the superiority of CVA and the empire. Those rules they say are what defines and diffrenciates CVA from the barbaric alliances and corporations that adhere to such policies as NBSI. You say that Heinky was a member of Burn Eden, key word here is WAS. If the policies and rules set forth by CVA in CVA space are to be trustworthy and CVA words are to believed you will have to reimburse Heinky for his loss, he IS a neutral pilot, what he did before is irrelevant.
Hardin Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:59:00 - [18] No... ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services Advert
Heinky Viziam	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:00:00 - [19] Edited by: Heinky on 22/05/2008 18:05:34 Edited by: Heinky on 22/05/2008 18:01:46 Fair enuff, u guys look at us as pirates , we look at u as pirates. Dont think anythings gona change here. We didnt loose any ship when first attecked arriving in misaba, but about 2 hours ago we got engaged in low sec by cva pirates at a gate and stood our ground even tho it was 4 to 1 odds. 3 looses 2 kills dont think either side really cares , was good fight tho. ps: Good point sith8 , but we havent and wont ask for reimbursment.
DeadDuck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Sith8 You say that Heinky was a member of Burn Eden, key word here is WAS. ... he IS a neutral pilot, what he did before is irrelevant. Well is not that simple. What he did before joining a NPC corp IS relevant. ________________ God is my Wingman

Ikar Kaltin Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:28:00 - [21] Originally by: Sith8 One might think that CVA would embrace the pilots of Viziam in low security Amarr Space, after all Viziam is the birth place of so many of the Emperors own. But CVA have heinously broken their own rules, rules that they have used as showpiece of the superiority of CVA and the empire. Those rules they say are what defines and diffrenciates CVA from the barbaric alliances and corporations that adhere to such policies as NBSI. You say that Heinky was a member of Burn Eden, key word here is WAS. If the policies and rules set forth by CVA in CVA space are to be trustworthy and CVA words are to believed you will have to reimburse Heinky for his loss, he IS a neutral pilot, what he did before is irrelevant. To answer this simply, he is not a neutral pilot. Due to CVA's experience with Pilots joining Empire based corps upon exiting a capsuleer alliance who then continue to follow similar policys as their previous corp, we tend to judge such pilots based on their previous corp and their policys. In the case of Heinky his appearence at the same time as his previous corp to the misaba area, where his previous corp was currently pirating was judged not to be coincidental and his actions of flying with members of Burn Eden since his arrival has proven us correct. It is also not a coincidence that Heinky is posting his solo kills on the Burn Eden Killboard, giving us further evidence that he is working with them, and as such he will not be receiving any compensation for ships lost for working with our enemies. To all pilots, if you are in any doubt in regard to your standings contact a CVA diplomat to find out, especially if you planning on joining your ex-corp in an area where they have just shown up to pirate.
Sir Snorlax	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:50:00 - [22] We have not be flying with burn eden, we got help from one of tjorg members when we were attecked by cva pirates today. I still use burn eden killboard to post my kills doesnt matter what corp im in, coz all my kills are collected there im not gona start a new one all stats are there.
Serenity Celestine Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:50:00 - [23] http://udie.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=29330 this. Well glad this debate is so easily ended. Silence you BE alts :)
Sith8 The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.05.22 21:10:00 - [24] Posting killboard links will not quash this discussion. The question here is do CVA uphold and follow their promise of NRDS in their proclaimed "holy land"? Apparently not, by the looks of it CVA engages in piracy in their own back yard when every they deem it necessary or the target is just too juicy to let go. Heinky could as well have posted that killmail on COL killboard but knowing Heinky he forgot the password. If you take a cloaser look at that killmail you so graciously posted you will see that indeed Heinky nor Lord Tikaden where the agressors, having sentry guns on your side usually indicates that. CVA has in speech and in writing (lots of it) time and again held aloft the idea that because of NRDS in CVA held area of Providence and low security Amarr space adjacent to it is a safe haven for those who want to experience and explore. Be warned those of you that believe such outrageous lies because it is nothing but heinous trap to lure in the "phat loot" Harding and his henchmen have for years been playing the "holier than thou" game, now it is time to stop the charade and admit that CVA are nothing but Pirates, carefully disguised as good samaritans. CVA, it is time for you to drop this shameful act and come forth as you are, common thiefs and pirates.
Fofalus Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.05.22 21:25:00 - [25] Originally by: Sith8 Edited by: Sith8 on 22/05/2008 21:18:30 The question here is do CVA uphold and follow their promise of NRDS in their proclaimed "holy land"? Yes the player in question is red to CVA
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:22:00 - [26] The killboard link was, in all likelihood, to illustrate that these supposedly "neutral" pilots (a falicy as will be demonstrated in a second) were indeed flying right alongside Burn Eden pilot. Indeed had been for an hour or so, if further Burn Eden kills from today are explored. Originally by: Sith8 The question here is do CVA uphold and follow their promise of NRDS in their proclaimed "holy land"? And the answer here is "yes." Heinky is red to us.
Ikar Kaltin Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:22:00 - [27] Originally by: Sith8 Edited by: Sith8 on 22/05/2008 21:18:30 Posting killboard links will not quash this discussion. The question here is do CVA uphold and follow their promise of NRDS in their proclaimed "holy land"? Apparently not, by the looks of it CVA engages in piracy in their own back yard when every they deem it necessary or the target is just too juicy to let go. Heinky could as well have posted that killmail on COL killboard but knowing Heinky he forgot the password. If you take a cloaser look at that killmail you so graciously posted you will see that neither Heinky nor Lord Tikaden where the agressors, having sentry guns on your side usually indicates that. CVA has in speech and in writing (lots of it) time and again held aloft the idea that because of NRDS in CVA held area of Providence and low security Amarr space adjacent to it is a safe haven for those who want to experience and explore. Be warned those of you that believe such outrageous lies because it is nothing but heinous trap to lure in the "phat loot" Hardin and his henchmen have for years been playing the "holier than thou" game, now it is time to stop the charade and admit that CVA are nothing but Pirates, carefully disguised as good samaritans. CVA, it is time for you to drop this shameful act and come forth as you are, common thiefs and pirates. Im sorry, you didnt appear to read my original reply. Ill summarise noob corp members coming in battleships to where their ex corp members are currently pirating without contacting CVA about their intentions means that an FC is going to look at them and decide they are more than likely working with the enemy and will open fire. The CVA policy is if you are in an NPC corp and have recently left a corp on our KOS list and come to Providence area then you are likely to be shot as you will be judged on your last corp. CVA FC's usual use their discretion on these occasions, but judging on your sudden reappearence when your ex-corps appearence in the area and their well renowed reputation for using npc corp characters you are extremely likely to be shot. IF a mistake is made the pilots will be reinbursed. It certainly looks to me like it was the correct call.
Serenity Celestine Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.23 10:55:00 - [28] Originally by: Sith8 Edited by: Sith8 on 22/05/2008 21:18:30 Posting killboard links will not quash this discussion. The question here is do CVA uphold and follow their promise of NRDS in their proclaimed "holy land"? Apparently not, by the looks of it CVA engages in piracy in their own back yard when every they deem it necessary or the target is just too juicy to let go. Heinky could as well have posted that killmail on COL killboard but knowing Heinky he forgot the password. If you take a cloaser look at that killmail you so graciously posted you will see that neither Heinky nor Lord Tikaden where the agressors, having sentry guns on your side usually indicates that. CVA has in speech and in writing (lots of it) time and again held aloft the idea that because of NRDS in CVA held area of Providence and low security Amarr space adjacent to it is a safe haven for those who want to experience and explore. Be warned those of you that believe such outrageous lies because it is nothing but heinous trap to lure in the "phat loot" Hardin and his henchmen have for years been playing the "holier than thou" game, now it is time to stop the charade and admit that CVA are nothing but Pirates, carefully disguised as good samaritans. CVA, it is time for you to drop this shameful act and come forth as you are, common thiefs and pirates. 1. Yes it does. Shows they are flying with BE and hence are not neutral. 2. There are many NPC corp member that are red to CVA either for their own actions, or for belonging previously to and alliance or corp KOS to CVA, as my alliance mates have already stated. This has been CVA policy for a very long time and isnt exactly a big secret. 3. CVA HUNT those that are KOS to us. This means that we are more than happy to remove you from your ship at gates and stations in low sec as well as our 0.0. This also, is no big secret.
Sasha Lyre Blood Music	Posted - 2008.05.23 11:06:00 - [29] Shooting Heinky is not piracy It's preventative medicine tbh 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you But do it to them first'. Your Blood Goes to my Head and the Music Flows through my Veins
Squatdog Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.24 01:17:00 - [30] A Burn Eden member in a noob corp complaining of piracy?

lecrotta lecrotta Corp	Posted - 2008.05.24 11:13:00 - [31] Originally by: Sasha Lyre 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you So you either want to be pirated or you have no clue what so ever what this quote means....
Bad Harlequin Chiroptera Factor	Posted - 2008.05.24 19:09:00 - [32] Originally by: Squatdog A Burn Eden member in a noob corp complaining of piracy? you win the "tl;dr" summary for the entire thread. One also questions the sanity of the OP, claiming to be some sort of military official for the Empire? Apparently, language skill requirements for the Empire have sadly slackened ...to say nothing of logic. Zleip > very, and this is more or less a post of humor that seriousness =)
Malken Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.26 09:18:00 - [33] lollerskates who bought heinky and tik characters ? about assuming that those characters will not be shot on sight by cva is the lollerskates part. even i would keep and eye looking over my shoulder with them in the area.
Rianharte Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.03 19:42:00 - [34] No CVA FC would call a someone as a target without good reason. If a CVA pilot engaged in an unlawfull aggressive act on a neutral they would be dealth with and questioned on this action. We do take pirating lightly against CVA, our allies or neutrals within our space or lower Domain. Looking at the evidence here you have had the option the to discuss this many times with a CVA diplomat, but you choose not to. We have give you the options but you throw them back in our face. So the is not much more we can do here as we just seem to be going round in circles. CVA are not pirates and this is WELL KNOWN. To me this looks like a situation which could of be avoided / settled has turned into the usual thing of people jumping on the band wagon and trying to taint the the reputation of CVA. The are many pilot in providence that are not set blue and are just plain neutral. So if we wanted to pirate as you so call it why would CVA / Holders engage just your self and not others neutrals that reside within Providence? For the people that say CVA pirate in other regions. CVA has long fought the terorrist factions that reside under the Minmatar flag and threaten the lively hood of the Amarr empire. So when we get reports of Amarrian loyals being engaged by Hostile entaties that are RED to CVA in minmatar space or space close the CVA juristiction we will answer the call but we will never pirate in these regions only clense the heathans thats have committed acts upon our us.
Kirra Liu H O R I Z O N	Posted - 2008.06.16 01:20:00 - [35] I never thought that I would see an ex-Burn Eden pilot crying over others being so called pirates. Thank's for the lolz. On a serious note though; CVA are most certainly not pirates, and when you say that you went to the pipe to Providence, well my question is, what were you doing there? Your previous employer was known for piracy there and had atleast one campaign there from what I remember and you think you can roam there now like a free man. Now if you had spoken to CVA before heading near their space then thei would have probably been avoided. As far as CVA members having low sec status', well whats that prove? Just because they engage enemy's in low sec and get a negative sec status dont mean they have gone rogue and started pirating. It's more fun shooting cva than being at peace with them anyways.
Mr Coffee Cyrus Technologies	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:04:00 - [36] Originally by: Heinky When people hear the name CVA they think of an alliance that is doing great things for the Amarr Empire and they pride them selfs of that. They set providence "free" from the Empire hostiles, They crushed ushra khan and so forth. They have done some good things in the past wich Top leaders of the empire like me really applaud. But look at them now, last night me and a friend(Lord tikaden) traveled to misaba in domain region, where alot of cva pilots hang about beeing the entry point to providence. There we were attecked by cva without notice and beeing neutral too them. CVA engage in piracy around domain region alot now, They fly ships designed by the enemy and praise them as beeing better then the once from the empire, they use enemy structures in providence such as sansha towers and guns, They have made the Empire angry and need to turn their ways around. The Amarr Empire has chosen two of its best special ops commanders Me and Lord tikaden to destroy any cva pirates in domain and we welcome other people that are really TRUE to the Empire to join us in this campain. Heinky Amarr empire special ops commander. According to His Majesty's Dictionary the word Loyalty is spelt with a 'y' in the language of English. Thank you. How many lumps would you like? Gallente born, bred and drunk.
Commanders Heaven Personal Vendetta	Posted - 2008.06.17 00:00:00 - [37] Like every other Alliances you will have someone who will not always follow the ground rules. Tbh cva aint what they used to be, they have been accepting other faction players etc. Tbh, it aint like Piracy is not allowed in the game, you will only loose some sec status witch you can reienburce quite quickly. Tbh if you loose a ship in LOW sec / 0.0 you cant realy complain to anybody else then yourself. Just dont take your ship down there if you dont have afford loosing it. It's the members who make the corp, and not the other way around...
Mrski Okupator The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.06.20 12:16:00 - [38] Originally by: Heinky ... The Amarr Empire has chosen two of its best special ops commanders Me and Lord tikaden to destroy any cva pirates in domain and we welcome other people that are really TRUE to the Empire to join us in this campain. Heinky Amarr empire special ops commander. Yor credentials are clearly false as is your honour. The Emperor has not the habit of appointing filth the slaves sc*****of His boots as ranking officers! If He would choose one to become an infiltrator in one of many pirate corps, he would at least choose a half literate one. May the Golden Fleets burn you wherever you crawl to next, blasphemer! ___
Aria Jenneth Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.06.20 19:13:00 - [39] Hmp. Yet another set of allegations against CVA to make an actual pirate snicker. Look, pilot: they're capsuleers, and they've managed to take and hold a significant swath of space. They didn't do that by being unsophisticated about their security. Now could you KINDLY cease helping to dilute the meaning of the word "pirate" into uselessness? Ghost Festival is recruiting!
Napro Caldari SoulWing Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.22 01:28:00 - [40] Yet another case of pirates using FW noobs as cannon fodder. Hope the Amarr see past this guys bullshit before trying anything

Aimel Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.01 10:34:00 - [41] Engaging someone in 0.0 isn't piracy.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.04 08:40:00 - [42] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 04/08/2008 08:40:14 nvm Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Sidsolis Gallente Wolf Pack Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.13 00:06:00 - [43] this thread is STILL alive.....?
Warn1nG Soul Legion Infernal	Posted - 2008.10.12 11:23:00 - [44] i am blue.
Isaac Starstriker Amarr Sisterhood of Galactic Sirens	Posted - 2008.10.12 19:23:00 - [45] Our corp has happily lived in Lower Domain/Providence and has yet to get killed by CVA. Excuse me while I wipe the tears from my laughing face. --Isaac


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