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Vantras
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.05 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Vantras on 05/06/2008 18:12:10
Ah yes! Another post in the CSM section about re-shaping EVE to meet Star Fraction's playstyle.
Next <issue> "Making nano ships faster and cloaking more effective-improving EVE for the little guy".
Interestingly enough in the two CSM agenda = Star Fraction threads ive read so far-the Goonswarm has had the most rational and reasonable posts. There is no question that SOV could use some improvement (much like 0.0 could enjoy some more dynamism) however the Jade Fraction agenda is so remarkably self serving its rather shocking that it is permitted to continue unchecked. I do truly hope folks will continue to realize that Jade's role as Chairman of the CSM should not = Jade's role as head of the Star Fraction Alliance and its specific playstyle.
This would be like watching the goonie members championing more blob tactics, more super alliance play stayles in every suggestion. Or perhaps the BOB member posting about how under powered titans are. Or watching Hardin posting thread after thread about improving roleplay. You folks were elected to represent all of EVE-not pet projects, not pet play styles.
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Vantras
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.05 21:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Kelsin
Originally by: Pezzle
Actually no, this proposal wants sov looked at in very specific contexts. While sov should be examined I cannot support that context or agenda or the examples cited, as such I cannot support this issue.
I hope enough reps can see the downside and not support this either.
I'll point out that CCP representatives are already on record as pursuing alternative sovereignty mechanics. There is a sticky in the Features and Ideas about it. I think it would be foolish to want to stick our heads in the sand and not get involved in what the outcome of that pursuit is. But yes, the topic does involve certain contexts - although they are broad and commonly agreed upon.
If this is true then there is no reason whatsoever for this issue to be brought up. If they are already working on it-what do we expect to contribute to the discussion? Or are you asking for specific support for your very specific approach to the problem? In a differnt thread Jade-our esteemed chairman and your boss, is trying to force a bad idea into the CSM agenda by saying "Whats wrong with at least bringing it up". Assuming that is the point of Jade's leadership-to surface ideas that CCP might be overlooking. I see no reason for this item to be on the agenda. As you dutifully and acurately point out -CCP is already aware and working on the problem.
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Vantras
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.06 20:49:00 -
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PErhaps you could repost the <issue> then.
"Check with CCP to follow up on thier stated intention as outlined in a previous Dev. post to revamp Sov."
That appears to be the standard Star Fraction reply when thier agenda gets challenged. "whats wrong with just bringing it up". This of course only surfaces after thier very specific Star Fraction friendly suggestion is assaulted and picked apart.
Well why not phrase your issues as "just going to bring this general topic up". Its your specific approach that every problem must be solved with a Star Fraction play style friendly solution that is the real concern. Add to it that Jade gives blanket approval to such ideas and we have ourselves a problem.
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Vantras
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.06 23:53:00 -
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Edited by: Vantras on 06/06/2008 23:54:25
MY in game views? The only changes i see Star Fraction and Jade actively championing directly benefit Star Fraction gameplay.
I am perfectly happy to see change that makes life tougher on the CVA. We do what we do and will adapt-always have.
I do think bad ideas are just that-bad ideas. Changes to SOV are fine with me-but I disagree with your changes.
Destructible outposts-while not my first choice of things for the CSM chair to become zealous about are fine with me-as long as the changes balance both the investment in constructing and maintaining the outpost vs. taking it. (ie. make it tough to blow it up, cost isk, cost 30-60 days) time. If you can take it and you can hold it against counter attack for 1-2 months-blow it up! I think its an awful idea and will erode 0.0 settlement but if the majority of the populace supports..que sera sera.
..and I am glad you will update the OP. I look forward to the clarification.
Now lets see Star Fraction get behind something that works counter to Star Fractions playstyle....
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Vantras
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.07 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kelsin
Vantras, the thing is it is you who are choosing to view every proposal and action on these forums through the lens of ingame corp.
All this thread is saying is that:
1) The balance of shiptype used to engage in Sov warfare is too far towards Capital ships and should be shifted toward the use of subcaps.
2) Blob warfare on a single grid is annoying and lag inducing and it would be a great solution to introduce split objectives so that multiple small gangs take the place of single large fleets.
3) POS logistics are a grind and constructing infrastructure has little to do with military dominance of territory.
You can't seem to resist bringing ingame politics into something like that, which is puzzling because these are completely apolitical points.
Id be happy to leave in game politics out if I felt for a moment that Star Fraction and specifically Jade was leaving in game politics out. His entire platform is based on his in game failures and frustrations. He is on record over and over and over indicating frustration at being unable to take out an Alliance or its assets. He is frustrated by this because after many attempts he has failed. So now we have this CSM program and noisy/posting Jade turns into Chairman Jade. We have the same noise, the same posts only this time he actually has an "official" role. The issues are the same, Jade is the same, its the format that concerns me.
If I saw Star Fraction or Jade supporting with vigor issues that were not directly in its own self interest perhaps I would feel differently. The fact that Jade is willing to expend so much of his credibility to ramrod through the outpost destruction thing (by every measure a minor point compared to the general "broken-ness" of huge portions of EVe-says much about in game vs. general state of the game motives.
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