Was looking at the new website and noticed the "career paths" listed (Pirate, salvager, miner, etc) I noticed all those career paths contributed not only to the individual but the EVE universe as a whole (butterfly effect)
For example let say Player A wanted to be a pirate, instantly he has decided to provide pvp content (consensual and unconsensual pvp) to the EVE universe, sometimes he'll win (kills, gear, tears) and sometimes he'll lose (Gets killed, loses gear, gives tears)
Its the beauty of EVE... give and take, risk and reward, and at the end it contributes to adding content for everyone else.
Then you look at an Incursioner.
What does he add to the rest of the EVE universe (players) does his "career path" have a give and take/risk & reward/ pro and con
Well lets see:
Player A decides he wants to do highsec incursions, and basically does group pve. He makes a TON of isk basically rendering any other career path useless for him. At the end (well when the site eventually stops getting farmed) he counts his isk and decides this is the only thing for him and docks his ship waiting for another incursion
Did Player A add to the wider EVE universe?NoIs there any incentive for Player A to choose any other career path that might add to EVE as a whole?NoAre there any "Sometimes you're the bug, sometimes you're the windshield" risk for incursioners?NoSo what does the Incursioner add to the EVE universe content wise? Nothing
(Unless inflation and incursion powerblocks with unlimited money that get to decide who gets to do incursions and who gets merc wardeced is content)Basically its all take and no give, EVE welfare queens lolThe only thing incursioners do is freeload off the work of everyone else(ship builders, miners, scientist, traders, etc), while those same workers isk get them less and less cause incursioners are buying up and raise the prices. Not to mention that perfect security is provided (Concord) so unless you plan to gank, those ships are untouchable.
NOTE:And please don't say "It helps highsecers get together and have fun" I've seen guys get laughed out of the incursion channel for not having a "minimum" pimped out faction/officer/deadspace fitted Nightmare... the vast majority of highsec don't even get to do incursionsAnd before any claims of tears are made (lol) I live in a wormhole

Incursion Bears attack formation: Flame

Chevy Shockwave wrote:The two WORST arguments I hear are
"They help us get in fleets and have fun"
and
"We are paying customers and adding to CCP's wallet"
1) If fleeting is all you wanted to do you shouldn't mind less of a incursion bounty paycheck... or just make them like sleepers and make it all about the loot or at least some INCENTIVE to kill the MOM ship... of course you won't want that cause then you'll actually have to put some effort into making billions a day
2) NEWFLASH... see that solo miner in the Bantam mining veldspar with 2 lasers? Guess what... hes a paying customer too, should CCP give him billions also... based on what you say everyone who can't do incursions should/would leave EVE (More CCP doomsday threats if the IWIN button is removed)
And looking at the BTL Incursion channel look like at most its 1000 people, out of the average 30k, 40k that are online at one time... didn't CCP ban a 1000+ bot accounts just a short time ago, I doubt they will miss 1000 Incursionist rage quitting cause they lost their IWIN button and actually had to contribute to the sandbox to make isk