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Anastasia Shimaya
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.06 22:54:00 -
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Was looking at the new website and noticed the "career paths" listed (Pirate, salvager, miner, etc) I noticed all those career paths contributed not only to the individual but the EVE universe as a whole (butterfly effect)
For example let say Player A wanted to be a pirate, instantly he has decided to provide pvp content (consensual and unconsensual pvp) to the EVE universe, sometimes he'll win (kills, gear, tears) and sometimes he'll lose (Gets killed, loses gear, gives tears) Its the beauty of EVE... give and take, risk and reward and at the end it contributes to adding content for everyone else
Then you look at an Incursioner, what does he add to the rest of the EVE universe (players) does his "career path" have a give and take/risk & reward/ pro and con Well lets see Player A decides he wants to do highsec incursions and basically does group pvp and makes a TON of isk basically rendering any other career path useless. At the end (well when the site eventually stops getting farmed) he counts his isk and decides this is the only thing for him and docks his ship waiting for another incursion
Did Player A add to the wider EVE universe? No Is there any incentive for Player A to choose any other career path that might add to EVE as a whole? No Are there any "Sometimes you're the bug, sometimes you're the windshield" risk for incursioners? No
So what does the Incursioner add to the EVE universe content wise? Nothing (Unless inflation and incursion powerblocks with unlimited money who get to decide who gets to do incursions and who gets merc wardeced is content
The only thing incursioners do is benefit off the work of everyone else, while those same workers isk get them less and less cause incursioners and buying up and raise the prices. Not to mention that perfect security is provided (Concord) so unless you plan to gank those ships are untouchable
NOTE: And please don't say "It helps highsecers get together and have fun" I've seen guys get laughed out of the incursion channel for not having a "minimum" pimped out faction/officer/deadspace fitted Nightmare... the vast majority of highsec don't even get to do incursion
And before any claims of tear are made (lol) I live in a wormhole [:=d Bears attack formation: Flame |

Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
81
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:21:00 -
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tl:dr= "I haven't heard that they plan to adjust incursion rewards so everyone and their dog wont run 10mans for too easy of a payout and i'm pissed they haven't done so yet under my schedule."
An Insursion runner would (under proper circumstances) be protecting their area of space from harmful sansha effects that could hit any section of space, and be rewarded in doing so. Not just farming it. It effects the movement of all players and those that dont do incursions. Its not ideal yet. and it may look like its slipped into the "make new content than move on" CCP style. Yet inferno shows they are still working on old content and incursions are no different. You are just impatient. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:25:00 -
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Incursion runners do what they do because incursions are part of the game and they enjoy that part of the game.
Do they need more reason than that?
Mr Epeen  Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

Xyla Vulchanus
Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:30:00 -
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What do Incursioners add to the EVE universe?
Inflation |

Chevy Hakoke
Shockwave Innovations Stellar Economy Experts
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:31:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Incursion runners do what they do because incursions are part of the game and they enjoy that part of the game. Do they need more reason than that? Mr Epeen 
Think he was asking what content they contribute to other players outside of incursions |

Anastasia Shimaya
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:36:00 -
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Xyla Vulchanus wrote:What do Incursioners add to the EVE universe?
Inflation
Hmmm, every activity has some sort of isk sink Null has SOV bills/wars as a isk sink, Low has... well low is low... Normal highsec corps have POSes as isk sinks and most professions have some sort a "cost of doing business" isk sink
What isk sinks do incursioners have to keep them from winning eve?, lol |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
847
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:44:00 -
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Chevy Hakoke wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Incursion runners do what they do because incursions are part of the game and they enjoy that part of the game. Do they need more reason than that? Mr Epeen  Think he was asking what content they contribute to other players outside of incursions 
Bottom line for CCP is that they add a subscription paying customer to the EVE universe.
In general they add faction fit pinatas to shoot at, customers for the PLEX market, a source of income for the null boys needing to sell officer mods, training for cooperative combat in a relatively safe environment, etc.
I could think of more but I think you might get the idea.
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

Deen Wispa
165
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:47:00 -
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OP has no space likes. And that's for a reason.
Stop hating on rich bears
If you want Empire and FW space enhanced, Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66900&find=unread |

oldbutfeelingyoung
383
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:48:00 -
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Anastasia Shimaya wrote:Was looking at the new website and noticed the "career paths" listed (Pirate, salvager, miner, etc) I noticed all those career paths contributed not only to the individual but the EVE universe as a whole (butterfly effect) For example let say Player A wanted to be a pirate, instantly he has decided to provide pvp content (consensual and unconsensual pvp) to the EVE universe, sometimes he'll win (kills, gear, tears) and sometimes he'll lose (Gets killed, loses gear, gives tears) Its the beauty of EVE... give and take, risk and reward, and at the end it contributes to adding content for everyone else. Then you look at an Incursioner. What does he add to the rest of the EVE universe (players) does his "career path" have a give and take/risk & reward/ pro and con Well lets see: Player A decides he wants to do highsec incursions, and basically does group pve. He makes a TON of isk basically rendering any other career path useless for him. At the end (well when the site eventually stops getting farmed) he counts his isk and decides this is the only thing for him and docks his ship waiting for another incursion Did Player A add to the wider EVE universe?NoIs there any incentive for Player A to choose any other career path that might add to EVE as a whole?NoAre there any "Sometimes you're the bug, sometimes you're the windshield" risk for incursioners?NoSo what does the Incursioner add to the EVE universe content wise? Nothing (Unless inflation and incursion powerblocks with unlimited money that get to decide who gets to do incursions and who gets merc wardeced is content)Basically its all take and no give, EVE welfare queens lolThe only thing incursioners do is freeload off the work of everyone else(ship builders, miners, scientist, traders, etc), while those same workers isk get them less and less cause incursioners are buying up and raise the prices. Not to mention that perfect security is provided (Concord) so unless you plan to gank, those ships are untouchable. NOTE:And please don't say "It helps highsecers get together and have fun" I've seen guys get laughed out of the incursion channel for not having a "minimum" pimped out faction/officer/deadspace fitted Nightmare... the vast majority of highsec don't even get to do incursionsAnd before any claims of tears are made (lol) I live in a wormhole  Incursion Bears attack formation: Flame 
i am not an Incursionrunner
But what do you add to the EvE universe ,may i ask?
We Rabble Because We Care!!!!!! |

Chevy Hakoke
Shockwave Innovations Stellar Economy Experts
18
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Posted - 2012.03.07 00:00:00 -
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[/quote]Bottom line for CCP is that they add a subscription paying customer to the EVE universe.
In general they add faction fit pinatas to shoot at, customers for the PLEX market, a source of income for the null boys needing to sell officer mods, training for cooperative combat in a relatively safe environment, etc.
I could think of more but I think you might get the idea.
Mr Epeen  [/quote]
TRANSLATION: -They have a subscription just like everyone else -Buy/inflate faction ship prices -Inflate plex prices -Makes more money then null so nullsecers leave their system to do them (Even though null is supposed to be the "end game") -Farm sites for hours/days with perfect Concord protection
Can I haz ur stuff? |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
526
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Posted - 2012.03.07 00:56:00 -
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Odd you think concord provides perfect protection. There are many goons and ice miners who have found otherwise.
Incursion runners do add one thing due to Loyalty points. The content provided by incursion runners is LP store items that they sell. I am running for the CSM. Take a look at my ideas. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |

Farang Lo
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:44:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Anastasia Shimaya wrote:And before any claims of tears are made (lol) I live in a wormhole  Incursion Bears attack formation: Flame  i am not an Incursionrunner But what do you add to the EvE universe ,may i ask? hint: key word is "wormhole" |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5274
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:50:00 -
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One thing: they add an arena and a context in which more casual, non-corp-bound players can learn basic fleet setup, discipline and functionality. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
776
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:51:00 -
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how about incursion runners contribute to people who are normally loaners flying together and making new friends. new friends lead to new corps. new corps to new alliances and more targets of opportunity. Incursions are the best thing to get people to working together. |

oldbutfeelingyoung
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Posted - 2012.03.07 03:11:00 -
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Farang Lo wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Anastasia Shimaya wrote:And before any claims of tears are made (lol) I live in a wormhole  Incursion Bears attack formation: Flame  i am not an Incursionrunner But what do you add to the EvE universe ,may i ask? hint: key word is "wormhole"
so how does a wh-player contribute to other players? We Rabble Because We Care!!!!!! |

Farang Lo
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.03.07 04:40:00 -
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your shiny T3?? |

Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
417
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Posted - 2012.03.07 08:50:00 -
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1/10
got some bites, but too obviously an attack. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |

Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
637
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Posted - 2012.03.07 09:17:00 -
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Incursions are OK but also Nerf high sec Incursion rewards a bit |

TriadSte
3rd Division
49
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Posted - 2012.03.07 09:42:00 -
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Finally we see some form of "sticking up for the incursion runner"
What does anyone really contribute to a game which in some years will be shut down anyway? All those nice rare items you collected....poof gone.
People pay their sub which entitles them to do whatever they please in the game. If incursions take their fancy then who is ANYBODY to criticise.
Incursions are a great way for people to get the feel of how a fleet works, this is a good step to low and null.
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BadGirlPosse
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2012.03.07 10:23:00 -
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You graduate out of 90% of the content in EVE in the first 3 months.
- Lv. 4's - Incursions - Null bear
Everything else is nullified by lack of adequate reward. EVE is designed to be quit in 6 months. Millions did, 400K were too stubborn or stupid to get the message. (I'm one of them) |

Eternus8lux8lucis
Whack-A-Mole
73
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Posted - 2012.03.07 10:49:00 -
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Have you ever looked at what happens in Inc fleets beyond the isk?
Most inc runners are the OLD L4 nullbear alts, who instead of sitting in null sec grinding anoms or ratting or doing exploration or whs will log on their old L4 alt in high sec and join comms and do a variant of a CTA to make isk. Ive watched so many inc runners log off for different alliances CTA ops while running them. Entire fleets will log off for these and once the OP is over based on Eve-kill postings they will log back on and run Incs. Rinse, repeat.
Its straight isk with LP rewards solely geared for top of the line pirating and isk making Hardwirings and all things CAPITAL ship mod. No salvaging, looting or reproing needed. Just straight bounty style system in a standard null sec OP interface of win/lose without the ship death.
So really its a permanent revolving CTA where instead of losing isk or gaining killmails its isk grinding until the other real CTAs or fleets pop up.
That is ALL incursions are. Period. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace |

David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
306
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Posted - 2012.03.07 10:53:00 -
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OP you think incursion runners dont add to the rest of eve? man pull your head out of your own rear end and see the bigger picture.
1. where to PI Poco gantries bpc's come from? yes thats right concord lp stores
2. where do meta 2 capital mods come from? yes thats right concord lp store
3. where do the 6% hardwiring implants come from? yes thats right concord lp store
4. where do concord LP comes from? yes incursions
Most pvp'r have an incursion alt to make isk to then buy new pvp ships for their pvp alt. Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |

knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
49
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Posted - 2012.03.07 11:10:00 -
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Anastasia Shimaya wrote:Xyla Vulchanus wrote:What do Incursioners add to the EVE universe?
Inflation Hmmm, every activity has some sort of isk sink Null has SOV bills/wars as a isk sink, Low has... well low is low... Normal highsec corps have POSes as isk sinks and most professions have some sort a "cost of doing business" isk sink What isk sinks do incursioners have to keep them from winning eve?, lol
Its pretty simple really. All those deadspace mods; where to they come from? Incursion runners pay billions out to Null Sec people who then go and get those billions blown up. However incurions runners never lose their ships, there only outgoing once they have there 10b ISK epeen is ammunition which they probably get from an LP store. At that point they offer nothing to EVE.
That said, Incursions do pay out to much. I did 4 hours the other day in high sec and raked in 480m ISK not including LP's. It would have been over 500m but we took a break. ;)
OR
Make the areas around incursions Concord free. Security penalties still apply but Concord won't show up if you shoot up a shiney fleet. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
364
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Posted - 2012.03.07 11:43:00 -
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[quote=Anastasia Shimaya]
And before any claims of tears are made (lol) I live in a wormhole 
......and just how did YOU add to the EVE Universe today?
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Farang Lo
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:14:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Anastasia Shimaya wrote:And before any claims of tears are made (lol) I live in a wormhole  ......and just how did YOU add to the EVE Universe today?
Farang Lo wrote:your shiny T3?? |

Farang Lo
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:22:00 -
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David Grogan wrote:
Most pvp'r have an incursion alt to make isk to then buy new pvp ships for their pvp alt.
proof?? |

knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
50
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:24:00 -
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Farang Lo wrote:David Grogan wrote:
Most pvp'r have an incursion alt to make isk to then buy new pvp ships for their pvp alt.
proof??
Allot do. Many PVP'ers are feeding there wallet with Incursions because null sec ISK making was nerfed so badly that many regions of space were unable to supply enough ISK for the the people living there.
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Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
202
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:44:00 -
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ISK? Vote Alekseyev Karrde for CSM7. -áhttp://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=433 Get War Decs, Sov, Low Sec that works.-á |

Farang Lo
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:02:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:Farang Lo wrote:David Grogan wrote:
Most pvp'r have an incursion alt to make isk to then buy new pvp ships for their pvp alt.
proof?? Allot do. Many PVP'ers are feeding there wallet with Incursions because null sec ISK making was nerfed so badly that many regions of space were unable to supply enough ISK for the the people living there. you just prove that how broken incursion is |

Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
406
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:08:00 -
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Mainly a lot of bitching and whinning from nullsec and lowsec players who cannot afford a second account to run them in highsec I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
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