They add a massive isk fountain, which increases the price of everythign as there is more isk than anyone sane would ever need to play spaceships with. And I suppse they might be tempted to RMT with it, I mean Misanth says he made 21 billion isk in a month, that would be a nice little earner on the side wouldnt it?

OP you think incursion runners dont add to the rest of eve? man pull your head out of your own rear end and see the bigger picture.


1. where to PI Poco gantries bpc's come from? yes thats right concord lp stores

2. where do meta 2 capital mods come from? yes thats right concord lp store

3. where do the 6% hardwiring implants come from? yes thats right concord lp store

4. where do concord LP comes from? yes incursions

Most pvp'r have an incursion alt to make isk to then buy new pvp ships for their pvp alt.

That's convenient - your alliance is making billions a month moon mining! I suppose one highseccer RMTing would be awful, but your alliance botting is fine?

Agreed, Examples of hypocracy and talking out of both sides of thier mouth are abundant on the forums. "I'm a leetboi PvP'er and carebears are Evil" but the leetboi PvP'er is the nub job that buys the LP store Cal Navy Invuln for his leetboi gankmobile maelstrom because T2 isnt good enough. Of course if everyone was a PvP l33tboi, there wouldn't be any T2 or Navy fits or Incursion modules and we would be using whatever CCP seeded.

What do Incursioners add to the EVE universe?

Inflation

Incursion> Miner
Incursion> Salvager
Incursion> PI

Incursion> Hauling

Incursion> Most PVE
Incursion> Null Sec grunt (90 to 95 percent of null residence)

Incursion> PVP
Incursion> Pirate

Incursion> Trading
Incursion> Scammer
Incursion> Manufacturer
Incursion> Owning a highsec/lowsec corp
Incursion> Wormholes (Since WH sites can't be farmed for hours with super bounties
Incursion> Exploration (Unless you get really lucky or do a nice plex)

That's convenient - your alliance is making billions a month moon mining! I suppose one highseccer RMTing would be awful, but your alliance botting is fine?

Was looking at the new website and noticed the "career paths" listed (Pirate, salvager, miner, etc) I noticed all those career paths contributed not only to the individual but the EVE universe as a whole (butterfly effect)

For example let say Player A wanted to be a pirate, instantly he has decided to provide pvp content (consensual and unconsensual pvp) to the EVE universe, sometimes he'll win (kills, gear, tears) and sometimes he'll lose (Gets killed, loses gear, gives tears)
Its the beauty of EVE... give and take, risk and reward, and at the end it contributes to adding content for everyone else.

Then you look at an Incursioner.
What does he add to the rest of the EVE universe (players) does his "career path" have a give and take/risk & reward/ pro and con
Well lets see:
Player A decides he wants to do highsec incursions, and basically does group pve. He makes a TON of isk basically rendering any other career path useless for him. At the end (well when the site eventually stops getting farmed) he counts his isk and decides this is the only thing for him and docks his ship waiting for another incursion

Did Player A add to the wider EVE universe?No
Is there any incentive for Player A to choose any other career path that might add to EVE as a whole?No
Are there any "Sometimes you're the bug, sometimes you're the windshield" risk for incursioners?No

So what does the Incursioner add to the EVE universe content wise? Nothing (Unless inflation and incursion powerblocks with unlimited money that get to decide who gets to do incursions and who gets merc wardeced is content)
Basically its all take and no give, EVE welfare queens lol

The only thing incursioners do is freeload off the work of everyone else(ship builders, miners, scientist, traders, etc), while those same workers isk get them less and less cause incursioners are buying up and raise the prices. Not to mention that perfect security is provided (Concord) so unless you plan to gank, those ships are untouchable.

NOTE:And please don't say "It helps highsecers get together and have fun" I've seen guys get laughed out of the incursion channel for not having a "minimum" pimped out faction/officer/deadspace fitted Nightmare... the vast majority of highsec don't even get to do incursions

And before any claims of tears are made (lol) I live in a wormhole
Incursion Bears attack formation: Flame

The two WORST arguments I hear are
"They help us get in fleets and have fun"

This discussion is about incursions, not nullsec.

Incursions are also a part of NULL SEC & lo sec. Reason why moons should be included here is that they are a NULL SEC mineral fountain much like Incursions have become a hi sec ISK fountain. These 2 fountains actually completement each other creating interactions between hi & NULL SEC. Incursion runners need T2 products created by the NULL sec fountain & NULL sec'ers need isk to replace ships. Mess with one expect problems with the other... Also incursion runners have access to CONCORD lp that NULL needs for many CAPITOL ship module bpc's and POCOs

Incursions are also a part of NULL SEC & lo sec. Reason why moons should be included here is that they are a NULL SEC mineral fountain much like Incursions have become a hi sec ISK fountain. These 2 fountains actually completement each other creating interactions between hi & NULL SEC. Incursion runners need T2 products created by the NULL sec fountain & NULL sec'ers need isk to replace ships. Mess with one expect problems with the other

[so what happend before incursion??

Edit: The nullsec nerf was uncalled for, and making most nullsec worth less than highsec WITHOUT even counting incursions was a terrible idea on CCPs part. Revert nullsec to how it used to be, kthanx

Before Incursions there was a big imbalance between Hi Sec & Lo Sec fountains.

High Sec Incursions doesn't add anything good to EVE, CCP should either remove them or radically change the mechanics.