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Fist1	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:11:00 - [1] could have sworn I remember seeing a eve news headline about the GM's calling it an official exploit that would no longer be tolerated last year. anyone got the link? the search function on this site SUCKS!!!
Beef Hardslab Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:12:00 - [2] I've never seen it stated as an exploit. Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve: Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
Equin Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:13:00 - [3] Not an exploit.
Dihania Mucho Dolor	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:16:00 - [4] Why would be bumping to prevent warp be an exploit ?! Jeez.... Now bumping someone for fun or just to disrupt their play may be another thing, like when you decide its fun to bump that freighter to annoy him or whatever reason. But it would be an harassment. . I need isk! Accepting donations :)
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:16:00 - [5] An exploit, it is not, hmmm -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved.
Apoctasy The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:18:00 - [6] Ramming another ship to move it is not an exploit.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:19:00 - [7] To the OP Computer says..."NO"
Feilamya Pelennor Swarm	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:19:00 - [8] too bad, posting FUD threads is not an exploit either ...
Alyth Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:38:00 - [9] I'd love to see you try to kill a supercap without bumping it.
Gridwalker	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:43:00 - [10] It was bumping ships out of POS shields which was deemed an exploit. Doing it to prevent warp is merely good tactics. Another great use for it is bumping haulers and/or miners away from their cans to facilitate your ore stealing activities. I've been on the receiving end of that one before! -Grid
Face Lifter	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:44:00 - [11] Originally by: Lady Karma To the OP Computer says..."NO" you forgot to cough in his general direction
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:52:00 - [12] Originally by: Dihania Why would be bumping to prevent warp be an exploit ?! Jeez.... Now bumping someone for fun or just to disrupt their play may be another thing, like when you decide its fun to bump that freighter to annoy him or whatever reason. But it would be an harassment. Im sure im going to get mauled but, doesnt your definition then mean that bumping a war target, preventing them from going into warp, be harrassment? -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Anaalys Fluuterby	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:59:00 - [13] Originally by: Jacob Mei Originally by: Dihania Why would be bumping to prevent warp be an exploit ?! Jeez.... Now bumping someone for fun or just to disrupt their play may be another thing, like when you decide its fun to bump that freighter to annoy him or whatever reason. But it would be an harassment. Im sure im going to get mauled but, doesnt your definition then mean that bumping a war target, preventing them from going into warp, be harrassment? War target no, because you have shoot rights. But there was a thread only a couple of weeks ago where someone got warned for repeatedly bumping a neutral party in a belt. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Not it isn't, people should be encouraged to get out in low sec space, but never forced to do so.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.05.23 00:04:00 - [14] You cannot bump people you are not at war with endlessly for fun (e.g. some random freighter at a gate and you just bump them ad nauseum for no purpose). That will get you a warning. If you are at war or are otherwise bumping to achieve an immediate goal (e.g. suicide ganking that freighter) then it is fine. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Pilot Abilene Serpentine Dream Theory	Posted - 2008.05.23 00:05:00 - [15] Not an exploit but one of the big immersion killers about this game that i have never liked...millions of tons of ship colliding and they just bounce of each other, yeah right. Funny how in the new FW video the Nyx actually collides with the station, promo video is obviously fake as we all know eve is a glorified pinball machine ^.^
Siigari Kitawa The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.05.23 00:06:00 - [16] I believe podshelling, preventing a players movement by surrounding them with pods is an exploit. www.siigarikitawa.com
Mr Friendly	Posted - 2008.05.23 00:07:00 - [17] Bumping just for the sake of bumping is harrassment (iirc). Bumping to accomplish a goal other than 'Durr, me make newbie go all the waaaaaaay over there... durrrrr' is not.
David Rouvenor	Posted - 2008.05.23 00:16:00 - [18] He might be thinking of when it was announced that POS bowling was an exploit.
Shakuul Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.23 00:39:00 - [19] Originally by: Gridwalker It was bumping ships out of POS shields which was deemed an exploit. Doing it to prevent warp is merely good tactics. Another great use for it is bumping haulers and/or miners away from their cans to facilitate your ore stealing activities. I've been on the receiving end of that one before! -Grid What if I'm worried that someone will get in the ship in the POS and warp away? Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I believe podshelling, preventing a players movement by surrounding them with pods is an exploit.
Armoured C Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.05.23 00:46:00 - [20] if you at a POS then it should be shooting you right ? it has already been explained that if you bumping >FOR A REASON< other than faffing about annoying people then it is exceptible considering that you actually do something like sink there battleship
Caligulus Colinear Exemptions	Posted - 2008.05.23 00:52:00 - [21] At one time it was an exploit. For some reason CCP changed its stance on the subject and stated it wasn't. I believe that was about the same time when there as an issue with stopping EW immune supercaps in lowsec. ------------------------------------------------- ** You're out of your mind! ** Well that's between me and my mind.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2008.05.23 00:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Caligulus At one time it was an exploit. For some reason CCP changed its stance on the subject and stated it wasn't. I believe that was about the same time when there as an issue with stopping EW immune supercaps in lowsec. Nah, it was declared not an exploit long before capital ships existed. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Stuart Price Black Water.	Posted - 2008.05.23 01:12:00 - [23] Edited by: Stuart Price on 23/05/2008 01:12:16 I find it tragic that you can't bump pods. I tried to bump some macrohaulers pod with a crow, but I passed clean through him at OVER NINE THOUSAAAAND m/s. It was a shame as I wanted to see just how far he'd go... Forget pos bowling, I DEMAND POD BOWLING! That said, you could get someone to slam your own pod with a nanophoon or nano-mach and bm where you land for unscannable safes so I guess this will never happen! "I got soul but I'm not a soldier"
Armoured C Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.05.23 01:13:00 - [24] same FW nyx time didnt happen then i doubt you would be able to see with the amount of body part and podgoo you have over your screen would be rather impressive
Lithalnas Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.05.23 01:16:00 - [25] the only bannable bumpings are 2 cases that i know of. POS bowling, at one time you could warp into the pos buble and bump things out, but now the bubble is a warp disruptor. Useing grids of cans to prevent people from moveing. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
Zurrar Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2008.05.23 01:18:00 - [26] if your in a large ship, and someone keeps bumping you in high sec. it could be considered harrassment.
Xornicon Altair Woopatang The Red Skull	Posted - 2008.05.23 01:26:00 - [27] Originally by: Fist1 could have sworn I remember seeing a eve news headline about the GM's calling it an official exploit that would no longer be tolerated last year. anyone got the link? the search function on this site SUCKS!!! If this were an exploit, then bumping would not exist and, instead, ships would pass through each other. As it is, it's been a game mechanic for as long as I can remember in EVE, thus is is clearly not an exploit.
PsychoBones R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.23 02:45:00 - [28] lol ________________________________________
Kaito Rei TAWD Research and Building Corporation TALIONIS ALLIANCE	Posted - 2008.05.23 03:33:00 - [29] ROFLMAO dab di bi dibi _________________________________________________________
Faife Noctiscion Twilight Trade Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.23 03:41:00 - [30] the exploit was bumping people out of PoS shields, not just simply bumping also, bumping people in high sec while you are neutral to them is harassment: they have nothing they can do
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.23 05:24:00 - [31] Originally by: Gridwalker Another great use for it is bumping haulers and/or miners away from their cans to facilitate your ore stealing activities. I've been on the receiving end of that one before! -Grid Now why haven't I done that? () () (â;..;)â (")(")

CCP Dionysus	Posted - 2008.05.23 07:11:00 - [32] The exploit is "pos bowling". Technically, using a ship (usually capital) to bump ships out of a starbase forcefield when you do not have the password ie - bypassing the forcefield password mechanics.

Venkul Mul	Posted - 2008.05.23 08:13:00 - [33] Originally by: CCP Dionysus The exploit is "pos bowling". Technically, using a ship (usually capital) to bump ships out of a starbase forcefield when you do not have the password ie - bypassing the forcefield password mechanics. I recall reading that "bumping someone in high security that isn't a war target (so he can't retaliate) to help suicied ganking" is an exploit as he can't react witout being kileld by concord and the person bumping him will suffer no consequece. It is right or wrong?
Wild Rho GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.05.23 08:59:00 - [34] Originally by: Pilot Abilene Not an exploit but one of the big immersion killers about this game that i have never liked...millions of tons of ship colliding and they just bounce of each other, yeah right. Funny how in the new FW video the Nyx actually collides with the station, promo video is obviously fake as we all know eve is a glorified pinball machine ^.^ It may not be realistic but it's the only workable system that doesn't cause major headaches for everyone involved. Let's assume a system is added where you take damage from collisions instead of bumping... Well first of all undocking now becomes a regular dice with death in the busier systems as you could be damaged or destroyed from simply trying to undock and smacking into the back of another undocking ship. You now have an exploitable system for destroying ships as they undock without concord repercussions, for example: parking one or more freighters right outside the docking bay and put some remote reps on them. As people undocking go splat others can collect the loot risk free. You could also just ram a relatively well tanked but fast ship such as a Vaga into soft targets to destroy them without concord repercussions. Have ramming flag a concord response you say? Well how do you determine who rammed who? From the servers point of view a collision is just two ships trying to occupy the same set of coordinates at the same time and has no way of determining player intentions. In the above examples you see ramming occurring in two fundamentally opposite ways (the stationary freighter being rammed and the fast vaga doing the ramming). Because of the above there is no guarantee you can determine who to flag to concord and incorrectly assigned flags are going to drive players nuts (imagine the carnage and chaos at the Jita 4-4 undock). If you flag both to concord then that's easily exploited by simply flying rookie ships into the targets you want dead. Only have a small amount of damage from collisions added? Well now you have a system that's just a general annoyance for no real reason and can still be exploited to a lesser degree as above (think passive tanked drakes constantly ramming a freighter until it dies). Remove collisions altogether? Well now you have a system that's even more immersion breaking than before with ships that simply pass through each other like ghosts. At least with bumping you can come up with some RP spin about ships having emergency thrusters that fire when a collision is detected. When you really start to look at the details and situations bumping is the best approach to take. While it's not the most "realistic" its a good example of why gameplay decisions should always come before realism ones.
Fujiko MaXjolt Templar Republic R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.23 10:20:00 - [35] Originally by: Alyth I'd love to see you try to kill a supercap without bumping it. Yeah, wish we had a ship that could deploy a bubble with inifinite warp scramble ability or possibly project it as a focused warp disruption thingie - we could call it an interdictor, or maybe a heavy interdictor. CCP needs to make these ASAP, so we won't have to bump supercaps to keep them from warping !
aurora omniae Nigerian Elite Dark Shock Strike Squad Troops	Posted - 2008.05.23 11:02:00 - [36] lately a gallente dude drove his nyx into a caldari station wrecking it, exactly like capitan piccard (a genuine caldari) did when he drove off enterprise into a klingonian ship (which are of gallentean origins). WHY the nyx didnt bump off station insetead of wrecking it? - on topic why caldari loialists couldnt bump off the nyx to avoid the collision and the incoming war - off topic, but it consumes me inside
Exlegion New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.23 11:23:00 - [37] Originally by: Pilot Abilene Not an exploit but one of the big immersion killers about this game that i have never liked...millions of tons of ship colliding and they just bounce of each other, yeah right. Funny how in the new FW video the Nyx actually collides with the station, promo video is obviously fake as we all know eve is a glorified pinball machine ^.^ You read my mind. I think the whole playing 'bumper cars' with ships in Eve is ridiculous and an RP killer. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Venkul Mul	Posted - 2008.05.23 11:25:00 - [38] Originally by: aurora omniae lately a gallente dude drove his nyx into a caldari station wrecking it, exactly like capitan piccard (a genuine caldari) did when he drove off enterprise into a klingonian ship (which are of gallentean origins). WHY the nyx didnt bump off station insetead of wrecking it? - on topic why caldari loialists couldnt bump off the nyx to avoid the collision and the incoming war - off topic, but it consumes me inside Pichard is a Frenchman, so gallente.
Ethaet Aliastra	Posted - 2008.05.23 11:41:00 - [39] Edited by: Ethaet on 23/05/2008 11:41:38 Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: aurora omniae lately a gallente dude drove his nyx into a caldari station wrecking it, exactly like capitan piccard (a genuine caldari) did when he drove off enterprise into a klingonian ship (which are of gallentean origins). WHY the nyx didnt bump off station insetead of wrecking it? - on topic why caldari loialists couldnt bump off the nyx to avoid the collision and the incoming war - off topic, but it consumes me inside Pichard is a Frenchman, so gallente. This. He was a Gallente flying a Caldari/Amarr hybrid ship (shields, torps and lasers) edit: hmm, that makes the enterprise sound really badly fit. Also, it could warp while being shot. Stabs ftl -------------------------------------------------------------- Seriously, we need some kind of separation between the post and signature. There you go. Now that wasn't so hard
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.05.25 03:22:00 - [40] Originally by: CCP Dionysus The exploit is "pos bowling". Technically, using a ship (usually capital) to bump ships out of a starbase forcefield when you do not have the password ie - bypassing the forcefield password mechanics. What about if we could somehow move the pos, thus uncovering the ships from its protective shields. Would this be ok? SKUNK
Hanneshannes	Posted - 2008.05.25 03:36:00 - [41] Edited by: Hanneshannes on 25/05/2008 03:36:44 Originally by: Dihania Why would be bumping to prevent warp be an exploit ?! Jeez.... Now bumping someone for fun or just to disrupt their play may be another thing, like when you decide its fun to bump that freighter to annoy him or whatever reason. But it would be an harassment. I received a hate mail for crashing into a freighter, bumping it completely out of allignment infront of 44 :/
Tellenta White-Noise	Posted - 2008.05.25 04:22:00 - [42] bumping for extended periods of time with no intention to kill = harassment. bumping in any other form = game mechanic
Rawr Cristina Naqam Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.05.25 04:40:00 - [43] bumping is fine the other week, i scanned out an Eagle that was in a safespot, aligned out. If we'd just warped someone in to tackle or if I'd decloaked, he'd have warped off straight away and I would have missed him... but thanks to bumping, I was able to get in front of him, turn around and hit him head-on, decloaking me and bumping him \o/ I soon got a point, and it was all over ...
Kolatha	Posted - 2008.05.25 07:21:00 - [44] Originally by: Wild Rho Well first of all undocking now becomes a regular dice with death in the busier systems as you could be damaged or destroyed from simply trying to undock and smacking into the back of another undocking ship. You now have an exploitable system for destroying ships as they undock without concord repercussions, for example: parking one or more freighters right outside the docking bay and put some remote reps on them. As people undocking go splat others can collect the loot risk free. Simply use the undock timer to confer temporary immunity to undocking ships. RP explaination is that the station uses its own shields and tractor beams to prevent mishap. Alternately, or additionally, have a concord mandated fine for any ship that remains in the undock zone for an extended period. The fine grows the longer you wait and if it doesn't get paid on time Concord will jump you. There are a number of ways to work with other ramming issues. A good start would be at least to add some kind of logic to prevent a small ship from bumping a larger ship out of the way. ie, a frigate shouldn't be able to bump a cap ship off course.
Tippia School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.05.25 08:54:00 - [45] Originally by: Tellenta bumping for extended periods of time with no intention to kill = harassment. bumping in any other form = game mechanic /thread.

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