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aUTOKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.24 05:17:00 -
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After a major fight in low security space, a bunch of newb players with names such as "renxng" and "w00woo" in newb ships started taking from our wrecks. This got annoying as we had lost ships and wanted to get the loot back to help the pilots that lost ships. We were unable to do so because they went to the wrecks before our GCC cane off and we were able to safely collect the said loot.
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Posted - 2008.05.24 06:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Conrad Rock
Edited by: Conrad Rock on 24/05/2008 05:33:48
Don't agree.
Pickpocketing is a crime of necessity, and the perpetrators don't deserve death.
you cant just sit there and say that if someone took your wallet and you saw it, you wouldnt walk right up to them and kick the living **** out of them.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: Patri Andari
...Piracy ...piracy ... Real Pirates... ...
ummm i dont think you GET what we're actually talking about here... It's NOT about piracy... It's about when you kill a wartarget and some noob comes up and takes **** from your epic battle.
"piracy" in highsec is can flipping, and suicide destroying. Each of which when they kill their victims they have another chr to scoop the loot.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Patri Andari
It is certainly about piracy, high sec piracy. Something your corp does not engage in nor has need to since your kills and losses are almost exclusively in null or low sec. But just for you, I shall call it high sec war.
Actually, we are at war and have had many war decs... and had the people we are at war with even send mercs after us.
And on the note of Low Sec Wars, The reason for the war dec in lowsec is generally so you dont lose sec status, so you can go to empire still. And when noobs come in and start looting wrecks of people you killed after a major battle, you can not just kill them... as they just keep coming like ants, while you're quickly making your way down to -5.
The killrights help solve this as you can kill them w/o losing any sec status!
and next time you begin to say stuff about a corp/alliance i hope you do your research next time.
ps... IT"S NOT PIRACY IF THERE IS A WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
I think you are missing some of the point of what you are suggesting. A change in wreck ownership will not influence only "legit wartarget" or other legal targets. It will influence all ownership rules, thus giving a further boost to high sec suicide ganking.
ok, so leme see if i get what you're saying
Person 1 suicide ganks person 2. With the new idea implimented, the wreck would be person 1's. Person 1 loses his ship, ummm well, he can't really do anything about people that take the loot can he... Can't exactly dock and get a new ship due to 15min GCC.... His alt hauler that is most likely sitting by him would have to scoop the wreck. and will prolly do so faster than anyone can get to the wreck and take it.
so i dont really see HOW it would giving a boost to suicide destroying...
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Patri Andari
For these and other fine benefits we are sorry but you have to get your ass out of high sec or figure out a work around.
this has nothing to do with the discussion about the proposed ideas. please refrain from posting such remarks.
Originally by: Patri Andari
1. the right to harm neutrals- In high sec
they souldnt be neutral if they take from your kill's wreck. that's exactly what this topic is about.....
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Posted - 2008.05.26 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
It can seem nitpicking, but that is what the developers need to program before it can work, so clearing all those little problem will take ages of developement.
umm.. isnt that what sisi is for. so the programers can test and make it work before it hits TQ.
""My corpmate ship was destroyed I will recover the loot. What, I can't tractor it, I will have a aggression flag if I take from it? Opps I am not on the killmail.""
dual ownership.. he will be able to tractor it and the agression flag wont matter cause if suicided, the party on the km cant do ****, and if war dec... well they shouldn't be looting until the field is clear, so the other party wont be able to do anything anyways.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Patri Andari
There exist solutions to the problem of loosing wartarget loot and wrecks to neutral parties in high sec already. High sec gankers have proven this. Have a dedicated player loot and salvage. An alt is perfect for this and it does not require rewriting the mechanics and programing of the game which further confuse the aggression rules. You have the advantage over the vulture in knowing where your camps are set up so you should be prepared to act first. It is a race and you have a head start.
Now of course it would be a lot easier for many to have a change like this. No one wants to devote a character slot for salvage and looting when it could be used in more fun and exciting ways. But it should not be easy especially in high sec empire. This game promotes teamwork and organization if nothing else. It should not be easy for a single player or even a group to achieve all its goals without coordination and tactics.
Any change in game mechanics that makes it more profitable to do something in high sec than it already is or than it is in 0.0 runs counter to the goals CCP seems to have for this game, i.e. encouraging players to move out to 0.0 for better returns. We do not need better ore, agents, complexes or looting rights in high sec.
In short, no need to muddy the waters with such a change. Put a low SP alt in a hauler or a dessie, give him some nav skills and all is good.
Patri
do you even think before you post or even re-read what you type? cause you are sounding like a total dumbass atm, and are promoting that EVERYONE who wants to have fun in Highsec to have an alt and to go to 00...
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Posted - 2008.05.27 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: JVol
vultures... risk when STEALING? Its not like the proposed changes STOP them from being able to steal, just makes it how it should be, risky
exactly! Right now, they dont have to risk anything and can get great rewards mr Patri Andari. So, where is the Risk v Reward for them? 0:1000000000m? You talk about the whole risk vs reward but as JVol said, When you are pvping, the risk is the same anywhere you go. The risk is possibly even GREATER in high sec as it is extremely EASY to get a new pvp ship.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Patri Andari
Originally by: aUTOKILL
Waaa, Waaa, what about them? Why do they get to play and I get gounded? Waa... (or something like that.)
As far as I can tell you are confusing two distinct issues. I suggest you start a new thread on the lack of risk for vultures. Point out in that thread how it's a huge fairness issue that they get so little risk and then make suggestions on how to change that. I would disagree with that opinion. I think being flagged to the wreck owner and his corp is enough risk for this behavior. But more importantly that is not the main issue addressed by the OP in this thread.
This post is about changing the mechanics so as to secure and perfect the shooter's claim to another player's wreck; therefore allowing him to legally shoot anyone who tries to claim jump. It therefore would confer a benefit that is not currently in the game at the moment and it ONLY enriches high sec warfare.
Hmmmm. So we are okay now with enriching activities done in high sec? If we get this change can we also get a few deposits of arkonor in .5? 
Patri
wtf seriously. it was not a whine i was just addressing things that you have mentioned and you are turning it into a giant *****fest.
This change is NOT ONLY FOR HIGHSEC BUT ALSO FOR LOWSEC WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE TO LOSE SECURITY STATUS TO STOP PEOPLE FROM TAKING THE LOOT THAT YOU RIGHTFULLY WORKED FOR.
"Oh, its enough to have them flagged by the corp and the person that lost the ship"
how is that enough? they ("vultures") can swipe the can and dock before you know what hit ya. It doesnt help very much for the person who died to get the aggro, BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE A SHIP TO DO **** ABOUT IT ANYMORE.
Have you ever been at war in lowsec or even highsec and have the **** taken from you because some ******* noob was sitting right by the wreck when you had to travel to it? OF CORSE YOU HAVENT YOU HAVE BEEN HUGGING A NOOB CORP FOR OVER A YEAR. GROW SOME ******* BALLS AND POST WITH YOUR MAIN.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 06:20:00 -
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Edited by: aUTOKILL on 27/05/2008 06:20:11
ok, searious question for you mr. Patri Andari.
Have you EVER had a highsec war or lowsec war. If yes, in that war did you actually fight, or station hug.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kane Rizzel
Edited by: Kane Rizzel on 27/05/2008 23:10:21
Originally by: Raffael Ramirez
You keep what you kill..
Sounds allright
This
the necromonger way
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Posted - 2008.05.30 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Leech
Originally by: The RedPlague
Originally by: Professor Leech
Whining about them is just sad..
I find nothing in this thread that should remotely be considered whining ... except for your reasoning why this issue shouldnt be addressed.
Go OP
Well if people want to be flagged to every man and his dog don't blame me if you get blown up. 
ok i wont
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Posted - 2008.06.16 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Success. Got it voted through the CSM and is on the agenda for Iceland.
Well done chaps!
yay
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