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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.05.27 04:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Leowen
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 25/05/2008 13:30:51
Originally by: Leowen
Thanks for the responses - guess I may need to write off that 2b. Putting the final touch to my conviction that supporting others financially is actually a completely unworthy return on investment when you consider the risk of loss and more importantly time spent tracking payments. I can't be bothered any more.
Another commercial aspect of EVE that I'm walking away from, I REALLY hope Empyr Age has some new things for me to do otherwise...
Who wants my stuff?
Sounds like you need to take a break. Your stuff is fine where it is now.
This game will undergo changes in the future and you never know when you'll feel like playing again.
Now quit whining, I've made typing mistkes, I've been ganked while hauling, etc and lost more than you did.
One thing is clear though, we need to agree upon some method to recover investments so such things never happen again.
Oh and we really should consider laying the foundations for a mega corporation / alliance ourselves (the MD clique) following the basics of participatory organization.
How does this sound to everyone?
Whining? Well kinda, but not about the 2b I couldn't give a t0ss about that. What I'm grumbling about is the realisation that supporting others is a fruitless exercise, which represents yet another box ticked and then scrubbed out in my "Commercially interesting things to do in EVE" list.
Maybe I'm just burned out again I guess.
Yeah, I'm kinda coming to this too. CCP hasn't done crap for the IPO part of the game... which makes sense I suppose as only a tiny tiny percentage of people participate in it. But it had so much promise... it could have been amazing, but it's dying a slow death it seems to me. Share tracking is still on the backburner somewhere... which is only a nice thing, it's not even scratching the surface of what is really needed.
I just am tired of having to check up on each of my stocks to see how they are doing. Too many people disappear, trusted people at that. Trusted people who have trusted people as their sa***uard all disappear. The least trusted people turn out to be trustworthy only until they get burned out themselves or get enough money to scam.
It's really a catch-22. If someone needs money then they prob aren't worth the investment. If someone is worth the investment they prob won't need it because they will be able to make the money themselves.
The rich are getting way too rich... and until high-end industrial money sinks are added to the game then the market aspects of this game are going to slowly fade away. The problem is that even when something new is added it is taken up by too many people immediately because they all need to try to use their ever increasing supply of ISK.
The only possible upcoming solution is T3... I can't predict exactly the impact that would have, but I think it would help, at least temporarily. Things like factional warfare seem like they'd only increase the disparity between rich and poor. The poor will be dying more and more, the rich will be selling more and more... meaning more money sitting in wallets of the rich.
One interesting idea would be to change NPC lab slots around, having the cost increase with the usage level of the system/region. Or to allow POS's to rent out their slots like an NPC lab.
+6 and +7 implants would be a help. On the LP store but costing a massive amount of ISK as well. This would draw massive amount of money out of the game. I know I'd get +7's on a few of my characters no matter what they cost really.... it'd be worth it.
T2 carriers, T2 dreads, T2 motherships. All of these would rebuild the capital ship market.
All this off the top of my head... but yeah... I felt like rambling
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cosmoray
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:23:00 -
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Or even T2/3 implants (+6/7 and faction type) that could only made via invention. Huge ISK sink.
Also get rid of all NPC product sales
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.05.27 15:23:00 -
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I imagine Benvie simply got burned out and quit, or got caught up in RL, etc. I forget how much I had invested, not much at all really, but maybe he'll reappear some day and return the initial investment. Who knows?
I do note a depressing surge in the number of "well not really a scam per se but the guy just dropped off the face of the planet" IPO failures.
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CCP Mitnal
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Posted - 2008.05.27 18:33:00 -
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Cleaned
Please remain on-topic and respectful towards fellow players.
Mitnal
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CCP Games, EVE Online
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Death4free
The corp corp
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Posted - 2008.05.27 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Death4free on 27/05/2008 20:13:56
Originally by: Ulstan
I imagine Benvie simply got burned out and quit, or got caught up in RL, etc. I forget how much I had invested, not much at all really, but maybe he'll reappear some day and return the initial investment. Who knows?
I do note a depressing surge in the number of "well not really a scam per se but the guy just dropped off the face of the planet" IPO failures.
a soloution to this might be to make shorter ipos as it minimises the risk of people just burning out and disapearing
example. 1-2 month long ipo then the player asks himself am i still getting a kik outa this. If the answer is yes then continue if the answer is maybe then liquidate give 2 weeks pause if the answer is no then close and liquidate permenantly
ofc there is the chance the personwill just drop of suddenly rather than over a period of weeks but its better to minimalise risk than to ignore it altogether
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Isk Ho
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Posted - 2008.05.28 06:23:00 -
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I think part of the answer to countering burnout problems, as opposed to actual scams, is to de-stigmatise somewhat the effect of the failure. Unfortunately even if the person fails but makes an honourable exit and liquidates at a loss, there will be a lot of unhappy investors however I would see a failed yet properly ended IPO as preferable to a 100% loss scam. I guess people who burn out are just likely to go "welp, rep ruined anyway, may as well run with the dough" since they are unlikely to be able to run a future IPO - not that I'm saying Benvie has done this ofc.
Then again maybe there should be more thought placed on possible burnout when considering exit strategy.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.05.28 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 28/05/2008 07:43:33
Originally by: Death4free
a soloution to this might be to make shorter ipos as it minimises the risk of people just burning out and disapearing
example. 1-2 month long ipo then the player asks himself am i still getting a kik outa this. If the answer is yes then continue if the answer is maybe then liquidate give 2 weeks pause if the answer is no then close and liquidate permenantly
ofc there is the chance the personwill just drop of suddenly rather than over a period of weeks but its better to minimalise risk than to ignore it altogether
There is a simple solution to this.
Create a corp, assign director role to an alt (or more) of a reputable MD member and run your business via the corp wallet / hangars.
That way even if you experience burnout and quite the investment is recoverable.
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CornerStoner
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Posted - 2008.05.28 21:46:00 -
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Maybe CCP Doesn't care about IPOs/Stocks/bonds. (Leave that to the players.)
Or maybe they have something in the works to get a handle on the trend of "burnout/scam" endings.
What if, when transfering monies, you could flag it as an investment? Then block Player Donations of any ISK tranfered with that flag. I'm know there are ways around something like that. There has to be something CCP can do!
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.05.28 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: CornerStoner
There has to be something CCP can do!
Yes, nothing. So far that's been widely successful in this regard. You want to see IPO/Bond's die a harsh death, let some sort of system in place. (I.e. Contract Loans anyone?)
To Shar -verb:
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2 - To say what it means.
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