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Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.05.23 21:39:00 -
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By Carey Gillam Fri May 23, 11:07 AM ET
KANSAS CITY, Missouri (Reuters) - A Missouri car dealer said on Thursday sales have soared at his auto and truck business since launching a promotion this week that promises buyers a free handgun or a $250 gas card with every purchase.
Max Motors, a small Butler, Missouri dealership that has as its logo a grimacing cowboy wielding a pistol, has sold more than 30 cars and trucks in the last three days, far more than its normal volume. And owner Mark Muller credits his decision to start offering buyers their choice of a $250 gas card or a $250 credit at a gun shop.
"This thing has taken off. Sales have quadrupled," said Muller. The store sells both used and new vehicles including General Motors and Ford products.
Every buyer so far "except one guy from Canada and one old guy" has elected to take the gun, Muller said. Muller recommends his customers select a Kel-Tec .380 pistol.
"It's a nice little handgun that fits in your pocket," he said.
Muller said the promotion was inspired by Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, who is vying with Hillary Clinton to be the Democratic nominee for the presidential election in November.
"We did it because of Barack Obama. He said all those people in the Midwest, you've got to have compassion for them because they're clinging to their guns and their Bibles. I found that quite offensive."
"We all go to church on Sunday and we all carry guns," said Muller. "I've got a gun in my pocket right now. I have a rifle in my truck. We've got to shoot the coyotes out here, they're attacking our cows, our chickens. We're not clinging to nothing. We're just damn glad to live in a free country where you can have a gun if you want. This is the way it ought to be."
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Zephyr Rengate
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2008.05.23 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Zephyr Rengate on 23/05/2008 21:43:17
Rednecks 
"except one guy from Canada and one old guy" - Made me lol
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Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.05.23 21:47:00 -
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This is one time when the term redneck really does apply 
I live in a area where if you don't see a gun rack in a truck it's either brand spankin new or from out of town.
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Frezik
Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment
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Posted - 2008.05.23 22:02:00 -
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I once bought a $300 car (for the sole purpose of learning to drive a stick) that the previous owner forgot to clean out before selling it. I got a free subwoofer box, amplifier, CD boombox, and weed pouch (hidden in the spare tire toolkit). Though not any actual weed, unless there was some elsewhere on the car that I never found. Had to be careful not to give a police officer an excuse to search the car. 
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Bigeasy
Ad Astra Vexillum
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.24 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Frezik
Had to be careful not to give a police officer an excuse to search the car.
Just tell him no...
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Lithalnas
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Posted - 2008.05.24 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Bigeasy
Originally by: Frezik
Had to be careful not to give a police officer an excuse to search the car.
Just tell him no...
if its stoored properly, its ok. In CA you have to have the gun locked away from the ammo in the trunk. In midwest states, its ok to have a gunrack and it unloaded.
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Keorythe
Terra Rosa Militia
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Posted - 2008.05.24 01:11:00 -
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In Texas you can transport a loaded firearm if you're going across counties but if it has a safety it must be engaged (this includes rifles and shotguns). If you're within the same county it has to be unloaded and stored properly in the trunk unless you have a concealed carry license in which case you can wear it on your body whenever. You just have be sure to hand the CCL along with you drivers license and insurance to the officer at the same time even if he doesn't ask and even if you aren't carrying a weapon.
To the gun or gas thing...what kind of selection does he have? A keltec .380 is a crappy little plinker. I mean if he had an M9 or a P226 I'd be all over that.
Awesome way to protest Obama's foot in mouth comment about Midwest people. Funny how the first thing people try to use to demean someone from that area or further south is the whole guns, bible, redneck lines.
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Megan Maynard
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.05.24 02:46:00 -
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HAHA, epic.
Guns are really fun, fun to shoot, fun to clean, fun to look at, fun to reload, fun to buy, fun to customize.
No gun law ever lowered crime rates effectively. Gun education is a proven method to lower crime rates.
Canada has 4 times the number of guns per person, yet their gun crime per person is lower then the states.
It's a culture thing. If you grow up with guns, and learn to respect them, you are a better citizen and a safer person then someone who has no clue what a gun is.
You aren't going to stop someone from shooting another person committed to the task. They will still find a gun no matter how many laws are put into place.
Gun laws take guns out of the hands of good people who should have them and puts them into the black market and those who abuse them....
Miz Stelth Bomerz iz the ****nit.
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Xrak
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.24 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard
HAHA, epic.
Guns are really fun, fun to shoot, fun to clean, fun to look at, fun to reload, fun to buy, fun to customize.
No gun law ever lowered crime rates effectively. Gun education is a proven method to lower crime rates.
Canada has 4 times the number of guns per person, yet their gun crime per person is lower then the states.
It's a culture thing. If you grow up with guns, and learn to respect them, you are a better citizen and a safer person then someone who has no clue what a gun is.
You aren't going to stop someone from shooting another person committed to the task. They will still find a gun no matter how many laws are put into place.
Gun laws take guns out of the hands of good people who should have them and puts them into the black market and those who abuse them....
College shootings etc etc.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.24 03:26:00 -
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Guns can easily be aquired illegally (And cheaper). Just a matter of talking to the right people 
If someone is going to go on a shooting spree, I don't think they care about the legality of the gun.
One funny thing... try to find a school shooting in Utah. I been trying but can't find any, only state in the union that allows students to carry on campus
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Nomakai Delateriel
Shadow Company
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.05.24 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard
Canada has 4 times the number of guns per person, yet their gun crime per person is lower then the states.
It may be an issue of mentality indeed. And laws for that matter.
1. It's illegal to own a firearm without a permit.
2. Prohibited firearms licenses are extremely rare. A prohibited weapon is pretty much anything that doesn't fit into the restricted or unrestricted categories.
3. Restricted firearms are also relatively rare. Surveys indicate that only about 1 in every 20 firearms in canada is a restricted firearm. Restricted firearms include ALL pistols (even flintlocks) and some rifles&shotguns. The only way you'll ever get a restricted firearm is for competitive shooting. No, you won't get one for self-defense. Restricted firearms can also only be used in designated areas (shooting ranges) and unless you're transporting it (unloaded and in unfirable condition. That is with some form of lock) directly from the range to your home (or vice versa) you need to ask for a permit (each and every time).
4. Unrestricted firearms include many types of rifles and shotguns (with a clip of 5 shots or less) and these are also illegal to use for self defense (against humans that is). It is however legal to use these weapons for hunting, target practice etc.
5. AFAIK these days owning a firearm means that you must have gone through a gun safety course.
6. Some provinces have much stricter laws.
So no. Gun ownership in Canada is nothing like gun ownership in the US.
It's more like Switzerland where pretty much everyone owns a Sig550 (everyone in the militia and everyone that chose to keep theirs after their militia service ended. If you're not in the militia however the weapon is converted to semi-auto), but the use is very restricted and there are far more rifles than handguns.
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Posted - 2008.05.24 07:01:00 -
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I love the swiss ways. I mean check out the crime rate there, super low compared to us in the states.
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Max Payne206
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Posted - 2008.05.24 07:47:00 -
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Desert Eagle please
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.05.24 07:52:00 -
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Sometimes I am embarrassed to be an American.... yes, yes, yes, we have a large number of crazy people in our country. Please do not judge all of us by the same token.
Does it make any difference that I was bourn and raised in Europe till I was 17? I hope so... I love my country, again, but we have nut-jobs everywhere.... look at our president, we must have suffered a national lobotomy when we elected him? And no, I did not vote for the monkey-brains.
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Spaztick
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Posted - 2008.05.24 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
I love the swiss ways. I mean check out the crime rate there, super low compared to us in the states.
I wouldn't say the lower crime rate in Switzerland is directly related to the gun laws there, not that it doesn't contribute to it, but saying swiss gun laws = super low crime rates isn't accurate.
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WalksWithCane
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Posted - 2008.05.24 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Xrak
College shootings etc etc.
Yea, it's too bad that a citizen with a concealed gun permit wasn't on campus those days. Perhaps they could have saved lives instead of watching people get slaughtered like sheep while they huddled together praying that someone would stop the shooter....
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.05.24 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
"We did it because of Barack Obama. He said all those people in the Midwest, you've got to have compassion for them because they're clinging to their guns and their Bibles. I found that quite offensive."
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.05.24 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 24/05/2008 12:57:34
Originally by: WalksWithCane
Originally by: Xrak
College shootings etc etc.
Yea, it's too bad that a citizen with a concealed gun permit wasn't on campus those days. Perhaps they could have saved lives instead of watching people get slaughtered like sheep while they huddled together praying that someone would stop the shooter....
I don't think the average citizen with a gun permit would have a) the guts and b) the skill to stop a determined shooter, especially not if he's moving fast and wearing kevlar. (see virtech)
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Mtthias Clemi
The Space Bastards
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Posted - 2008.05.24 13:00:00 -
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"You guys cling to your guns!"
"OH YEAH!! ILL SHOW YOU!!!!! FREE GUNS FOR ALL!!! HURRAYYY!!"
What?
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Xen Gin
Universal Mining Inc
Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.05.24 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard
No gun law ever lowered crime rates effectively. Gun education is a proven method to lower crime rates.
And the USA is accomplishing education how? If you did it Canada's way, you'd all be a lot better off.
In some places you do need guns for hunting and protection from wildlife, but a full auto glock 18c or an Uzi in downtown LA is not one of them.
The problem is that you guys give guns to people who barely (and sometimes don't) know that you don't point the barrel at yourself.
If you want to harp on about how guns save lives and that eduction works, actually show us some proof that the mass public is being educated in how to use guns.
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Megan Maynard
Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.05.24 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Originally by: Megan Maynard
Canada has 4 times the number of guns per person, yet their gun crime per person is lower then the states.
It may be an issue of mentality indeed. And laws for that matter.
1. It's illegal to own a firearm without a permit.
2. Prohibited firearms licenses are extremely rare. A prohibited weapon is pretty much anything that doesn't fit into the restricted or unrestricted categories.
3. Restricted firearms are also relatively rare. Surveys indicate that only about 1 in every 20 firearms in canada is a restricted firearm. Restricted firearms include ALL pistols (even flintlocks) and some rifles&shotguns. The only way you'll ever get a restricted firearm is for competitive shooting. No, you won't get one for self-defense. Restricted firearms can also only be used in designated areas (shooting ranges) and unless you're transporting it (unloaded and in unfirable condition. That is with some form of lock) directly from the range to your home (or vice versa) you need to ask for a permit (each and every time).
4. Unrestricted firearms include many types of rifles and shotguns (with a clip of 5 shots or less) and these are also illegal to use for self defense (against humans that is). It is however legal to use these weapons for hunting, target practice etc.
5. AFAIK these days owning a firearm means that you must have gone through a gun safety course.
6. Some provinces have much stricter laws.
So no. Gun ownership in Canada is nothing like gun ownership in the US.
It's more like Switzerland where pretty much everyone owns a Sig550 (everyone in the militia and everyone that chose to keep theirs after their militia service ended. If you're not in the militia however the weapon is converted to semi-auto), but the use is very restricted and there are far more rifles than handguns.
I realize the ownership is different, but the AMOUNT per person is much higher then the US. Which is what I stated.
Miz Stelth Bomerz iz the ****nit.
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Shriken Grey
Fade to Black Inc
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Posted - 2008.05.24 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Edited by: Sokratesz on 24/05/2008 12:57:34
I don't think the average citizen with a gun permit would have a) the guts and b) the skill to stop a determined shooter, especially not if he's moving fast and wearing kevlar. (see virtech)
Maybe not, but even if there's only a 10% chance they'll do something isn't that better than nothing? Also, there are many military veterans on my campus, who have been trained in handling rather similar situations.
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2008.05.24 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mtthias Clemi
"You guys cling to your guns!"
"OH YEAH!! ILL SHOW YOU!!!!! FREE GUNS FOR ALL!!! HURRAYYY!!"
What?
I think the point is that they're proud of their guns and bibles.
I'm all in favor of mandatory gun education before you're allowed to own one, problem is that it means that somewhere theres a list of every (legal) gun owner in the country and that the government could possibly restrict access to said education as a way of prohibiting some people from owning a weapon. So. Guns for all I say. Just limit the magazine capacity or somesuch.
But really, I don't see how a promotion from a small car dealership has much of anything to do with gun laws (except it shows that people in that region like guns).
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Mr Friendly
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:06:00 -
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The problem is not with guns, the problem is there are far too many nitwits with guns. If all gun owners were thoroughly trained in safe handling and use of guns, there'd be far fewer problems. Sadly, there are many places where acquiring a gun permit requires only that you can sign your name and are currently breathing (likely through the mouth). Recipe for disaster, anyone?
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Kravick Drasari
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kravick Drasari on 24/05/2008 23:25:20
Edited by: Kravick Drasari on 24/05/2008 23:23:53
Edited by: Kravick Drasari on 24/05/2008 23:20:49
Originally by: Sokratesz
Edited by: Sokratesz on 24/05/2008 12:57:34
Originally by: WalksWithCane
Originally by: Xrak
College shootings etc etc.
Yea, it's too bad that a citizen with a concealed gun permit wasn't on campus those days. Perhaps they could have saved lives instead of watching people get slaughtered like sheep while they huddled together praying that someone would stop the shooter....
I don't think the average citizen with a gun permit would have a) the guts and b) the skill to stop a determined shooter, especially not if he's moving fast and wearing kevlar. (see virtech)
You underestimate those who have been properly trained in the use of firearms. Its not like what you see in movies where there are fire fights and nether side can hit anything. As far as the kevlar thing, he wasn't wearing a kevlar lined helmet. If I was there with a firearm I definitely would have done something to try and stop him. I may not leave the situation unwounded but the other guy wouldn't be ether.
I grew up around guns my entire life. They are a tool just like every other weapon. You take guns away and we'll start using knives and baseball bats. There is nothing wrong with firearms themselves as long as everyone has equal access to them. States with concealed to carry laws have less crime than those that don't. Plus, its very very easy to get illegal firearms.
Look at Japan. Firearms are illegal there. Not even the police have them. It doesn't stop their citizens from maiming and killing each other though. Japan has a higher per capita assault with deadly weapons than America does incidents involving firearms. Those people are absolutely violent and the lack of firearms hasn't done anything to stop it.
If someone wants to kill someone the lack of a firearm isn't going to stop them. They will find a way.
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Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Spaztick
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
I love the swiss ways. I mean check out the crime rate there, super low compared to us in the states.
I wouldn't say the lower crime rate in Switzerland is directly related to the gun laws there, not that it doesn't contribute to it, but saying swiss gun laws = super low crime rates isn't accurate.
I don't know if its true or not but I heard in Switzerland everyone must serve in the armed forces at some point which to me is excellent training in a firearm.
To top off a criminal knowing how many homes must have a firearm must be a huge deterrent from breaking and entering.
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Kravick Drasari
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Posted - 2008.05.25 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Spaztick
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
I love the swiss ways. I mean check out the crime rate there, super low compared to us in the states.
I wouldn't say the lower crime rate in Switzerland is directly related to the gun laws there, not that it doesn't contribute to it, but saying swiss gun laws = super low crime rates isn't accurate.
I don't know if its true or not but I heard in Switzerland everyone must serve in the armed forces at some point which to me is excellent training in a firearm.
To top off a criminal knowing how many homes must have a firearm must be a huge deterrent from breaking and entering.
Don't they also have a law that allows you to shoot someone in your house without being charged for murder?
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.25 02:36:00 -
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ooooh, speaking of the Swiss... look up the Swiss mini gun. they made a gun with watchmaking parts.... tiny little thing. Smallest gun ever made and I want one
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Tobias Xiaosen
The Perfect Storm
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Posted - 2008.05.25 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kravick Drasari
Look at Japan. Firearms are illegal there. Not even the police have them. It doesn't stop their citizens from maiming and killing each other though. Japan has a higher per capita assault with deadly weapons than America does incidents involving firearms. Those people are absolutely violent and the lack of firearms hasn't done anything to stop it.
If someone wants to kill someone the lack of a firearm isn't going to stop them. They will find a way.
Link it or it didn't happen. From what I recall, Japan has one of the lowest, if not, THE lowest crime rates in the world. But maiming and killing is still prevalent, just that its self-inflicted (queue highest suicide rate in the world...)
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.25 04:33:00 -
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In Japan they just disguise themselves as vending machines
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