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          Atog Uth'Matar 
           
          
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          And they seem to get by the sentry guns cause they don't die. Its getting real old when you can't even gate to a 0.4 system to do a freakin mission. PvP is fine. But WTH is 20+ Ships camped at a gate at a 0.4 system just killing anyone that comes through even when they are WITHIN sentry range. It gets real old and profits no one. That is unless they really wanted my small proj rounds and heavy missles......
 
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          Viceroy 
           
          
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          Yes, there be 50 zombies at the Atlar gate, all 8 feet tall. Lasers be coming out of their eyes and thunder be striking when they fart! Behold the Vikings! -
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          Valentine Keen 
           
          
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          I'm assuming that they're taking advantage of some of the guns not working that their correct range of 150km, but at 75km - since I was attacked at 78km when I warped into the gate.
  I don't mind PvP and piracy, but that IS an exploit of broken guns and I have petitioned it as such.
  If you can camp and kill me, fine, if you use an exploit it should be dealt with.
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          dalman 
           
          
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        Posted - 2004.05.03 22:43:00 -
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          ONOS! You didn't read the warning you get as a new player before you jump into 0.4 the first time? 
 
 
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          cashman 
           
          
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            Originally by: dalman ONOS! You didn't read the warning you get as a new player before you jump into 0.4 the first time? 
 
 
  Did it say something about exploiters?
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          Faster ThanJesus 
           
          
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        Posted - 2004.05.03 22:51:00 -
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          maybe they're using sensor dampners.
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          Triniton 
           
          
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        Posted - 2004.05.03 22:54:00 -
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          Funny. This exploiting thing is getting old, proof to me that we have exploited?  Has a GM sayd so on the forums?  Didnt a GM say so on the forums that we WERE NOT EXPLOITING? I think so. Hell did a GM say so to anybody that we exploited in yulai? And im talking about the GM not some newb polaris guy that doesnt know any more than the regular player. Show me some proof if not STFU and stop being a damn crybaby.  
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          Valentine Keen 
           
          
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        Posted - 2004.05.03 22:55:00 -
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          Edited by: Valentine Keen on 03/05/2004 22:57:48
   Originally by: Faster ThanJesus maybe they're using sensor dampners.
 
 
  1 ship only at the gate, damping both sentry guns AND shooting 80km at me? - Cause he sure as heck never even took a single shot from the sentries, I had plenty of time to watch his targetting icon as I ran for the gate.
  Yes, I made it too, not blown up, not podded, just annoyed that it was an exploit and not proper pirating.
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          cashman 
           
          
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        Posted - 2004.05.03 22:59:00 -
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            Originally by: Triniton Funny. This exploiting thing is getting old, proof to me that we have exploited?  Has a GM sayd so on the forums?  Didnt a GM say so on the forums that we WERE NOT EXPLOITING? I think so. Hell did a GM say so to anybody that we exploited in yulai? And im talking about the GM not some newb polaris guy that doesnt know any more than the regular player. Show me some proof if not STFU and stop being a damn crybaby.  
  No you stfu. All that particular GM said was that HE didn't see any exploiting.
  In the "Yulai incident" CCP even annouced it, so YEAH it was explointing.
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          Faster ThanJesus 
           
          
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        Posted - 2004.05.03 22:59:00 -
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            Originally by: Valentine Keen Edited by: Valentine Keen on 03/05/2004 22:57:48
   Originally by: Faster ThanJesus maybe they're using sensor dampners.
 
 
  1 ship only at the gate, damping both sentry guns AND shooting 80km at me? - Cause he sure as heck never even took a single shot from the sentries, I had plenty of time to watch his targetting icon as I ran for the gate.
  Yes, I made it too, not blown up, not podded, just annoyed that it was an exploit and not proper pirating.
 
 
  *shrugs* only a theory. And the topic starter, who I was replying to, stated 20 ships
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          Triniton 
           
          
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        Posted - 2004.05.03 23:00:00 -
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          Cute, still no proof. Just what u think u know and you are wrong, now run along kiddo.
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          Ulendar 
           
          
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          Can we please let this F*CKING subject die FFS??!
  There already were 54684644484684684 topics about this of which the ultimate conclusion was that it was NOT AN EXPLOIT!!
  Please read 1 line up, read it again and then again and then again just to be sure you fully, completely and throughoutly understand that its NOT i repeat NOT an exploit.
  kthx
  Did you read the msg? The msg that says 0.4 is dangerous? Did you click it away? Or what? what did you do? If you read then you must have known there was a chance you might get blown up right? Well the chance became reality in your case...to bad for you, but hey....its not the end of the world, life goes on for everyone else and just cause its your lucky day and this is a game life goes on for you two!!!
  Why do you complain that its impossible to retaliate against zombie because of the security status issues??
  Its whiny topics and post like this that caused the current fubarred igname security systems in the first place O_O
  please end yourself...
 
   Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this.
  It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
 
 
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          Amin 
           
          
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        Posted - 2004.05.03 23:02:00 -
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          This was in the news a two or so weeks ago:
 
   Quote: Recently, Concord has seen fit to reduce the number of sentry guns and pilots defending gates in security level 0.1-0.4 systems. Concord sentrys have been reduced to a maximum of 3 pilots per gate.  Pirates are already taking advantage of this lack of security in empire space by enaging the sentrys or sensor dampening them giving them enough time to ambush a player coming through a gate. If you have the means, a few warp core stabilizers would not go a miss when travelling through these systems. 
  Good Luck Pilots!
 
 
 
  So, there not exploiting, its what CCP intended them to do.
 
 
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          Valentine Keen 
           
          
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        Posted - 2004.05.03 23:02:00 -
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            Originally by: Faster ThanJesus
   Originally by: Valentine Keen Edited by: Valentine Keen on 03/05/2004 22:57:48
   Originally by: Faster ThanJesus maybe they're using sensor dampners.
 
 
  1 ship only at the gate, damping both sentry guns AND shooting 80km at me? - Cause he sure as heck never even took a single shot from the sentries, I had plenty of time to watch his targetting icon as I ran for the gate.
  Yes, I made it too, not blown up, not podded, just annoyed that it was an exploit and not proper pirating.
 
 
  *shrugs* only a theory. And the topic starter, who I was replying to, stated 20 ships
 
 
  Yeah, must admit only one when I went through, but my point really is that I don't have a problem with PVP or piracy, even in 0.4 or wherever, but to target me within 150km when everyone tells me CCP have declared sentries have 150km range even if broken is exploitation of that, since I could see nothing to indicate jamming or other tactics.
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          Bob Morton 
           
          
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        Posted - 2004.05.03 23:03:00 -
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          bunch of whiners.
  zombie pwns all.
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          cashman 
           
          
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        Posted - 2004.05.03 23:03:00 -
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            Originally by: Triniton Cute, still no proof. Just what u think u know and you are wrong, now run along kiddo.
  I could say the same.
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          Kallar 
           
          
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        Posted - 2004.05.03 23:03:00 -
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          in before the lock :)
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          Mr nStuff 
           
          
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        Posted - 2004.05.03 23:04:00 -
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          With this scenario.. Even if you took 20ships and went in fighting fire with fire.. You would still take massive security hits and be exiled from empire space.
  It may not be exploiting. But in my book, it is definitely a form of cheating when you can not counter it without taking security hits yourself.
  Common sense would dictate that concord wouldn't really have a problem with you attacking such villains. But that's not the case. Once you try to fight back. Your going to get blasted by sentry guns. And if you use the armor tanking tactics like them.. You're STILL going to take security hits. That will eventually turn you into an outlaw.
  To me it looks like a cheat. It's like playing ping pong but only the Zombie side has a paddle.
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          Triniton 
           
          
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        Posted - 2004.05.03 23:05:00 -
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          I COULD SAY THE SAME? 
  Jeez, u are so smart that i think ill pod myself and give u my ship.
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          cashman 
           
          
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        Posted - 2004.05.03 23:09:00 -
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            Originally by: Amin This was in the news a two or so weeks ago:
 
   Quote: Recently, Concord has seen fit to reduce the number of sentry guns and pilots defending gates in security level 0.1-0.4 systems. Concord sentrys have been reduced to a maximum of 3 pilots per gate.  Pirates are already taking advantage of this lack of security in empire space by enaging the sentrys or sensor dampening them giving them enough time to ambush a player coming through a gate. If you have the means, a few warp core stabilizers would not go a miss when travelling through these systems. 
  Good Luck Pilots!
 
 
 
  So, there not exploiting, its what CCP intended them to do.
  So it's exploiting to dampening CONCORD ships, but not CONCORD sentries? If true, I stand corrected, and will turn my anger towards CCP for making such a stupid "rule".
  Both are the same as attacking game mechanics designed to protect people.
  And for the record, the type of pirating you do is just plain griefing. Little reward, no real purpose. So please, do pod yourself.
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          Mr nStuff 
           
          
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          Edited by: Mr nStuff on 03/05/2004 23:20:55
  No.. You're already an exile.
  It doesn't make sense that others have to turn into pirates to counter your tactics.
  I'm almost 100% sure something will be done by CCP to level the playing field on this topic. So have fun while you can.
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          Amin 
           
          
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        Posted - 2004.05.03 23:11:00 -
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          Edited by: Amin on 03/05/2004 23:12:49
   Originally by: Mr nStuff With this scenario.. Even if you took 20ships and went in fighting fire with fire.. You would still take massive security hits and be exiled from empire space.
  It may not be exploiting. But in my book, it is definitely a form of cheating when you can not counter it without taking security hits yourself.
  Common sense would dictate that concord wouldn't really have a problem with you attacking such villains. But that's not the case. Once you try to fight back. Your going to get blasted by sentry guns. And if you use the armor tanking tactics like them.. You're STILL going to take security hits. That will eventually turn you into an outlaw.
  To me it looks like a cheat. It's like playing ping pong but only the Zombie side has a paddle.
 
 
  Aye, i agree, that doesnt make alot of sense, unfortunatly wont be solved til we have criminal flagging.
 
 
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          Deadflip2 
           
          
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          Edited by: Deadflip2 on 03/05/2004 23:15:37
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          Triniton 
           
          
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        Posted - 2004.05.03 23:13:00 -
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          OK, since u have no-clue to our tactics just plz stop talking Cashman, u are such a noob u got a noob tattoo on your forehead in blinking blue and red.
  And btw we make alot of isk doing what we do includeing a free megathron tonight, some ppl really dont wanna loose theyre implants.
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          Kirja Delantae 
           
          
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          A quick point:
  The "0.4" warning DOESN'T appear if you're using Autopilot at the time; something that, I should imagine, is what almost everyone uses when running Agent missions.
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          cashman 
           
          
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        Posted - 2004.05.03 23:16:00 -
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            Originally by: Triniton OK, since u have no-clue to our tactics just plz stop talking Cashman, u are such a noob u got a noob tattoo on your forehead in blinking blue and red.
  And btw we make alot of isk doing what we do includeing a free megathron tonight, some ppl really dont wanna loose theyre implants.
  Sure, go grow up and learn how to behave.
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          Deadflip2 
           
          
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            Originally by: cashman
   Originally by: Amin This was in the news a two or so weeks ago:
 
   Quote: Recently, Concord has seen fit to reduce the number of sentry guns and pilots defending gates in security level 0.1-0.4 systems. Concord sentrys have been reduced to a maximum of 3 pilots per gate.  Pirates are already taking advantage of this lack of security in empire space by enaging the sentrys or sensor dampening them giving them enough time to ambush a player coming through a gate. If you have the means, a few warp core stabilizers would not go a miss when travelling through these systems. 
  Good Luck Pilots!
 
 
 
  So, there not exploiting, its what CCP intended them to do.
  So it's exploiting to dampening CONCORD ships, but not CONCORD sentries? If true, I stand corrected, and will turn my anger towards CCP for making such a stupid "rule".
  Both are the same as attacking game mechanics designed to protect people.
  And for the record, the type of pirating you do is just plain griefing. Little reward, no real purpose. So please, do pod yourself.
 
 
  not sure but ehm in that movie they are shown armor tanking  , allthough i never ran into them so i have no idea really --- "this song reminds me of the girl i met on a schooltrip, she was really nice, and she really liked me.  I forgot to ask her her phone number" - Nelix trist OMG im a pretzel!!! | 
      
      
      
          
          Viceroy 
           
          
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            Quote: So it's exploiting to dampening CONCORD ships, but not CONCORD sentries?
 
 
  Concord doesnt have sentry guns. NPC factions have the sentries. And no its not an exploit. Hit f12 and ask a GM, or search for the previous ZOMBIES ARE EXPLOITING thread and check the GM response. It states that they investigated the case very carefully and there was no exploiting.
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          Triniton 
           
          
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        Posted - 2004.05.03 23:23:00 -
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          Maby I do need to grow up but u need to learn the damn game, talking about stuff u have no clue about, now again be quiet child.
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          Ulendar 
           
          
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        Posted - 2004.05.03 23:23:00 -
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            Originally by: cashman
   Originally by: Triniton OK, since u have no-clue to our tactics just plz stop talking Cashman, u are such a noob u got a noob tattoo on your forehead in blinking blue and red.
  And btw we make alot of isk doing what we do includeing a free megathron tonight, some ppl really dont wanna loose theyre implants.
  Sure, go grow up and learn how to behave.
 
 
  Dear mr. Cashman..
  Please reffer to my signature and get a clue about why you should stop posting in these kind of threads...
  kthxbye
 
   Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this.
  It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
 
 
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