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Atog Uth'Matar	Posted - 2004.05.03 22:36:00 - [1] And they seem to get by the sentry guns cause they don't die. Its getting real old when you can't even gate to a 0.4 system to do a freakin mission. PvP is fine. But WTH is 20+ Ships camped at a gate at a 0.4 system just killing anyone that comes through even when they are WITHIN sentry range. It gets real old and profits no one. That is unless they really wanted my small proj rounds and heavy missles...... topic locked- adrastos Although we have heard of stupid haste in war, cleverness has never been associated with long delays.
Viceroy	Posted - 2004.05.03 22:39:00 - [2] Yes, there be 50 zombies at the Atlar gate, all 8 feet tall. Lasers be coming out of their eyes and thunder be striking when they fart! Behold the Vikings! -
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2004.05.03 22:40:00 - [3] I'm assuming that they're taking advantage of some of the guns not working that their correct range of 150km, but at 75km - since I was attacked at 78km when I warped into the gate. I don't mind PvP and piracy, but that IS an exploit of broken guns and I have petitioned it as such. If you can camp and kill me, fine, if you use an exploit it should be dealt with.
dalman	Posted - 2004.05.03 22:43:00 - [4] ONOS! You didn't read the warning you get as a new player before you jump into 0.4 the first time? M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
cashman	Posted - 2004.05.03 22:46:00 - [5] Originally by: dalman ONOS! You didn't read the warning you get as a new player before you jump into 0.4 the first time? Did it say something about exploiters? ____________________________________ »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
Faster ThanJesus	Posted - 2004.05.03 22:51:00 - [6] maybe they're using sensor dampners.
Triniton	Posted - 2004.05.03 22:54:00 - [7] Funny. This exploiting thing is getting old, proof to me that we have exploited? Has a GM sayd so on the forums? Didnt a GM say so on the forums that we WERE NOT EXPLOITING? I think so. Hell did a GM say so to anybody that we exploited in yulai? And im talking about the GM not some newb polaris guy that doesnt know any more than the regular player. Show me some proof if not STFU and stop being a damn crybaby. ZOMBIE PRUNES!
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2004.05.03 22:55:00 - [8] Edited by: Valentine Keen on 03/05/2004 22:57:48 Originally by: Faster ThanJesus maybe they're using sensor dampners. 1 ship only at the gate, damping both sentry guns AND shooting 80km at me? - Cause he sure as heck never even took a single shot from the sentries, I had plenty of time to watch his targetting icon as I ran for the gate. Yes, I made it too, not blown up, not podded, just annoyed that it was an exploit and not proper pirating.
cashman	Posted - 2004.05.03 22:59:00 - [9] Originally by: Triniton Funny. This exploiting thing is getting old, proof to me that we have exploited? Has a GM sayd so on the forums? Didnt a GM say so on the forums that we WERE NOT EXPLOITING? I think so. Hell did a GM say so to anybody that we exploited in yulai? And im talking about the GM not some newb polaris guy that doesnt know any more than the regular player. Show me some proof if not STFU and stop being a damn crybaby. No you stfu. All that particular GM said was that HE didn't see any exploiting. In the "Yulai incident" CCP even annouced it, so YEAH it was explointing. ____________________________________ »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
Faster ThanJesus	Posted - 2004.05.03 22:59:00 - [10] Originally by: Valentine Keen Edited by: Valentine Keen on 03/05/2004 22:57:48 Originally by: Faster ThanJesus maybe they're using sensor dampners. 1 ship only at the gate, damping both sentry guns AND shooting 80km at me? - Cause he sure as heck never even took a single shot from the sentries, I had plenty of time to watch his targetting icon as I ran for the gate. Yes, I made it too, not blown up, not podded, just annoyed that it was an exploit and not proper pirating. shrugs only a theory. And the topic starter, who I was replying to, stated 20 ships
Triniton	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:00:00 - [11] Cute, still no proof. Just what u think u know and you are wrong, now run along kiddo. ZOMBIE PRUNES!
Ulendar	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:00:00 - [12] Can we please let this FCKING subject die FFS??! There already were 54684644484684684 topics about this of which the ultimate conclusion was that it was NOT AN EXPLOIT!! Please read 1 line up, read it again and then again and then again just to be sure you fully, completely and throughoutly understand that its NOT i repeat NOT an exploit. kthx Did you read the msg? The msg that says 0.4 is dangerous? Did you click it away? Or what? what did you do? If you read then you must have known there was a chance you might get blown up right? Well the chance became reality in your case...to bad for you, but hey....its not the end of the world, life goes on for everyone else and just cause its your lucky day and this is a game life goes on for you two!!! Why do you complain that its impossible to retaliate against zombie because of the security status issues?? Its whiny topics and post like this that caused the current fubarred igname security systems in the first place O_O please end yourself... Originally by:* cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this. It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
Amin	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:02:00 - [13] This was in the news a two or so weeks ago: Quote: Recently, Concord has seen fit to reduce the number of sentry guns and pilots defending gates in security level 0.1-0.4 systems. Concord sentrys have been reduced to a maximum of 3 pilots per gate. Pirates are already taking advantage of this lack of security in empire space by enaging the sentrys or sensor dampening them giving them enough time to ambush a player coming through a gate. If you have the means, a few warp core stabilizers would not go a miss when travelling through these systems. Good Luck Pilots! So, there not exploiting, its what CCP intended them to do. Drink StarsiÖ Relation Co-ordinator Caldari State Citizen ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Faster ThanJesus Originally by: Valentine Keen Edited by: Valentine Keen on 03/05/2004 22:57:48 Originally by: Faster ThanJesus maybe they're using sensor dampners. 1 ship only at the gate, damping both sentry guns AND shooting 80km at me? - Cause he sure as heck never even took a single shot from the sentries, I had plenty of time to watch his targetting icon as I ran for the gate. Yes, I made it too, not blown up, not podded, just annoyed that it was an exploit and not proper pirating. shrugs only a theory. And the topic starter, who I was replying to, stated 20 ships Yeah, must admit only one when I went through, but my point really is that I don't have a problem with PVP or piracy, even in 0.4 or wherever, but to target me within 150km when everyone tells me CCP have declared sentries have 150km range even if broken is exploitation of that, since I could see nothing to indicate jamming or other tactics.
Bob Morton	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:03:00 - [15] bunch of whiners. zombie pwns all.
cashman	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:03:00 - [16] Originally by: Triniton Cute, still no proof. Just what u think u know and you are wrong, now run along kiddo. I could say the same. ____________________________________ »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
Kallar	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:03:00 - [17] in before the lock :)
Mr nStuff	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:04:00 - [18] With this scenario.. Even if you took 20ships and went in fighting fire with fire.. You would still take massive security hits and be exiled from empire space. It may not be exploiting. But in my book, it is definitely a form of cheating when you can not counter it without taking security hits yourself. Common sense would dictate that concord wouldn't really have a problem with you attacking such villains. But that's not the case. Once you try to fight back. Your going to get blasted by sentry guns. And if you use the armor tanking tactics like them.. You're STILL going to take security hits. That will eventually turn you into an outlaw. To me it looks like a cheat. It's like playing ping pong but only the Zombie side has a paddle. 5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers.. Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer. My account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 19. September 2004
Triniton	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:05:00 - [19] I COULD SAY THE SAME? Jeez, u are so smart that i think ill pod myself and give u my ship. ZOMBIE PRUNES!
cashman	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:09:00 - [20] Originally by: Amin This was in the news a two or so weeks ago: Quote: Recently, Concord has seen fit to reduce the number of sentry guns and pilots defending gates in security level 0.1-0.4 systems. Concord sentrys have been reduced to a maximum of 3 pilots per gate. Pirates are already taking advantage of this lack of security in empire space by enaging the sentrys or sensor dampening them giving them enough time to ambush a player coming through a gate. If you have the means, a few warp core stabilizers would not go a miss when travelling through these systems. Good Luck Pilots! So, there not exploiting, its what CCP intended them to do. So it's exploiting to dampening CONCORD ships, but not CONCORD sentries? If true, I stand corrected, and will turn my anger towards CCP for making such a stupid "rule". Both are the same as attacking game mechanics designed to protect people. And for the record, the type of pirating you do is just plain griefing. Little reward, no real purpose. So please, do pod yourself. ____________________________________ »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
Mr nStuff	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:09:00 - [21] Edited by: Mr nStuff on 03/05/2004 23:20:55 No.. You're already an exile. It doesn't make sense that others have to turn into pirates to counter your tactics. I'm almost 100% sure something will be done by CCP to level the playing field on this topic. So have fun while you can. EDIT: I mean CCP screws up anything that is fun.. So if you're having fun. Don't expect it to last. You should be able to understand that.
Amin	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:11:00 - [22] Edited by: Amin on 03/05/2004 23:12:49 Originally by: Mr nStuff With this scenario.. Even if you took 20ships and went in fighting fire with fire.. You would still take massive security hits and be exiled from empire space. It may not be exploiting. But in my book, it is definitely a form of cheating when you can not counter it without taking security hits yourself. Common sense would dictate that concord wouldn't really have a problem with you attacking such villains. But that's not the case. Once you try to fight back. Your going to get blasted by sentry guns. And if you use the armor tanking tactics like them.. You're STILL going to take security hits. That will eventually turn you into an outlaw. To me it looks like a cheat. It's like playing ping pong but only the Zombie side has a paddle. Aye, i agree, that doesnt make alot of sense, unfortunatly wont be solved til we have criminal flagging. Drink StarsiÖ Relation Co-ordinator Caldari State Citizen ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Deadflip2	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:11:00 - [23] Edited by: Deadflip2 on 03/05/2004 23:15:37 --- "this song reminds me of the girl i met on a schooltrip, she was really nice, and she really liked me. I forgot to ask her her phone number" - Nelix trist OMG im a pretzel!!!
Triniton	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:13:00 - [24] OK, since u have no-clue to our tactics just plz stop talking Cashman, u are such a noob u got a noob tattoo on your forehead in blinking blue and red. And btw we make alot of isk doing what we do includeing a free megathron tonight, some ppl really dont wanna loose theyre implants. ZOMBIE PRUNES!
Kirja Delantae	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:15:00 - [25] A quick point: The "0.4" warning DOESN'T appear if you're using Autopilot at the time; something that, I should imagine, is what almost everyone uses when running Agent missions.
cashman	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:16:00 - [26] Originally by: Triniton OK, since u have no-clue to our tactics just plz stop talking Cashman, u are such a noob u got a noob tattoo on your forehead in blinking blue and red. And btw we make alot of isk doing what we do includeing a free megathron tonight, some ppl really dont wanna loose theyre implants. Sure, go grow up and learn how to behave. ____________________________________ »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
Deadflip2	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:16:00 - [27] Originally by: cashman Originally by: Amin This was in the news a two or so weeks ago: Quote: Recently, Concord has seen fit to reduce the number of sentry guns and pilots defending gates in security level 0.1-0.4 systems. Concord sentrys have been reduced to a maximum of 3 pilots per gate. Pirates are already taking advantage of this lack of security in empire space by enaging the sentrys or sensor dampening them giving them enough time to ambush a player coming through a gate. If you have the means, a few warp core stabilizers would not go a miss when travelling through these systems. Good Luck Pilots! So, there not exploiting, its what CCP intended them to do. So it's exploiting to dampening CONCORD ships, but not CONCORD sentries? If true, I stand corrected, and will turn my anger towards CCP for making such a stupid "rule". Both are the same as attacking game mechanics designed to protect people. And for the record, the type of pirating you do is just plain griefing. Little reward, no real purpose. So please, do pod yourself. not sure but ehm in that movie they are shown armor tanking , allthough i never ran into them so i have no idea really --- "this song reminds me of the girl i met on a schooltrip, she was really nice, and she really liked me. I forgot to ask her her phone number" - Nelix trist OMG im a pretzel!!!
Viceroy	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:16:00 - [28] Quote: So it's exploiting to dampening CONCORD ships, but not CONCORD sentries? Concord doesnt have sentry guns. NPC factions have the sentries. And no its not an exploit. Hit f12 and ask a GM, or search for the previous ZOMBIES ARE EXPLOITING thread and check the GM response. It states that they investigated the case very carefully and there was no exploiting. The legacy of White Dwarf -
Triniton	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:23:00 - [29] Maby I do need to grow up but u need to learn the damn game, talking about stuff u have no clue about, now again be quiet child. ZOMBIE PRUNES!
Ulendar	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:23:00 - [30] Originally by: cashman Originally by: Triniton OK, since u have no-clue to our tactics just plz stop talking Cashman, u are such a noob u got a noob tattoo on your forehead in blinking blue and red. And btw we make alot of isk doing what we do includeing a free megathron tonight, some ppl really dont wanna loose theyre implants. Sure, go grow up and learn how to behave. Dear mr. Cashman.. Please reffer to my signature and get a clue about why you should stop posting in these kind of threads... kthxbye Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this. It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
cashman	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:24:00 - [31] I should be offended or what? ____________________________________ »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
Gr3G	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:29:00 - [32] Edited by: Gr3G on 03/05/2004 23:33:37 Looks like the carebears have started again, why can't they just shut up, quit whining and deal with the game mechanics...first off this is not an exploit as proven by the other hundred or so posts that have been made by people crying over them being too slow to warp away from people sitting at the gate, apparently intelligence is lacking with the bulk of you. Pirates are already screwed in this game because you people have done nothing but cry when you lose your ship. Suck it up and play the game, and let it be nothing more than that, a game, its already screwed up beyond repair, as far as i'm concerned and many other of my closest friends sentry guns should be taken out of the game because they are too in favor of the carebears. If there are no police then there should be no law enforcement. The only place sentries should be in place is where concord officers will respond to aggression. Until they fix that we will take advantage of the game mechanics, which IS NOT AN EXPLOIT and have fun doing it
Blooded Heromy	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:41:00 - [33] So many ppl are readin this, so someone must know WHERE ARE MY DAMN COOKIES ?
0110010110010	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:46:00 - [34] humm i am looking but i cant seem to find them ohh ohh i remember now i left them in the cargohold of my BELLY muuhhaaa Ìar Sem 2 Skip Koma Saman Ìar Er BloBBa !!!
Cuisinart	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:54:00 - [35] Originally by: Triniton Funny. This exploiting thing is getting old, proof to me that we have exploited? Has a GM sayd so on the forums? Didnt a GM say so on the forums that we WERE NOT EXPLOITING? I think so. Hell did a GM say so to anybody that we exploited in yulai? And im talking about the GM not some newb polaris guy that doesnt know any more than the regular player. Show me some proof if not STFU and stop being a damn crybaby. Well, no dispute that zombie's are acting perfectly within game mechanics now. As for the "yulai incident" here is the proof you asked for right on the EvE website; Linkage At that link you will find this (likely true since ccp have left it there in the archives for all to see); 2004.03.04 09:33:38 Regarding the mass killings in Yulai last night (3rd of March) As a lot of you are aware, a certain corp willingly exploited a fault in the game mechanics and managed to kill over a 100 people in the supposedly secure Yulai system last night. We have decreed that those who were the recipiants of this heinous crime will be fully reimbursed for their loss. If you are one of those who lost your belongings and still haven¦t petitioned us, please do so and we will see to it that your possessions are returned to you. The exploiters have received a ban for their efforts and anyone thinking of following their example should be aware that the same fate awaits them. - The GM Team Vision without action is a daydream Action without vision is a nightmare
Valentine Keen	Posted - 2004.05.03 23:54:00 - [36] Nice to see none of you have yet been able to answer the point I have raised at all leapt straight onto the 'carebear vs griefer' bandwagon. 1. I was attacked by a single Zombie ship. 2. The Zombie ship attacked me from 78km after I warped to the gate (15km) 3. Sentry guns are supposed (for good or ill) to have 150km range. 4. Some of these guns are currently broken and only have 75km range. To use this to your advantage HAS been stated as an exploit. Thus, being clever enough to work out that the 1 (yes ONE) Zombie pirate could not jam 2 sentry guns AND kill me from 80km away, I was forced to deduce he must be exploiting a 75km sentry gun. I don't care why the guns are there or that 150km is CCP's overeager response to PVP arguments. What no one has yet denied is that this is a blatant exploit and it should be dealt with.
DeathBunny	Posted - 2004.05.04 00:04:00 - [37] Supporting on Zombie what there doing here. Yes might not be nice but its legal. I know how they are doing it and its no exploit. Yes its within sentry gun range (150-75-5km from fricken gate). People have complained about it, even asked questions/petitioned it the first day they did it. Its legal. Quit whinning and go around them if u need to go through. *Fear The Bunny*
Blooded Heromy	Posted - 2004.05.04 00:12:00 - [38] Quote: humm i am looking but i cant seem to find them ohh ohh i remember now i left them in the cargohold of my BELLY muuhhaaa Damnit man, now i must go and dampen/exploid/cheat/be lame / get hate mails/listen to smacktalk at gate and blow another cookie indy
Saladin	Posted - 2004.05.04 00:42:00 - [39] Originally by: dalman ONOS! You didn't read the warning you get as a new player before you jump into 0.4 the first time? Dalman for some reason you only get that warning on a manual jump, not autopilot. Yeah its messed up --------------------------- (c) Copyright Saladin, 2005. Any editing of this post by a third party will be in violation United States Internet Copyright law 46525 of 2003.
Saladin	Posted - 2004.05.04 00:44:00 - [40] Trinitron nothing is going to satisfy them. Even when a corp like that detroid crime syndicate gets their ships blow up by sentries people still scream exploit --------------------------- (c) Copyright Saladin, 2005. Any editing of this post by a third party will be in violation United States Internet Copyright law 46525 of 2003.
Tiona	Posted - 2004.05.04 00:48:00 - [41] Ewwww ZOMBIES! Don't zombies eat brains? Im afraid they in foe a big dissapointment.....falls downstairs with shoelaces tied together
juel	Posted - 2004.05.04 00:51:00 - [42] Thought they got rid of all of them scum the last time. They are all contained right now too bad u just cant blow up that whole system or even better, just close the gates and keep em all there.
Alastra	Posted - 2004.05.04 00:57:00 - [43] Originally by: Tiona Ewwww ZOMBIES! Don't zombies eat brains? Im afraid they in foe a big dissapointment.....falls downstairs with shoelaces tied together lol Nuponi Nimedaz: "You're a pilot after my own heart, Alastra."
Titan AE	Posted - 2004.05.04 01:14:00 - [44] Zombie, Go out to deep space, pick a target that fights back and fight, lock down a area, take control. Killing sheep in empire space and cleverly dodging consequences for it as a way to feel big is really pretty weak. Granted mOo started out the same way but they grew up and actually started to look for people to FIGHT, not helpless sheep to butcher. When you really are as good as you think you are, you'll find exploiting game weaknesses to be pretty unfufilling. Also, not sure what your particular strat is in this case for dealing with sentrys and such, but if you are shooting within the broken sentrys range that they should be engaging in and are not, your boys are headed for bans again. I'd be careful if I was you, mOo did this stuff when the game first came out and the Devs didn't know how to react to it. mOo also has friends and Devs in their ranks imo, and have a very strong presence in helping to test the game and build the community with web sites ect. I don't see Zombie doing any of that and I expect the devs will not be very patient with Zombie in its endevours to find the cheapest way to "win".
GeoNoSiS	Posted - 2004.05.04 01:15:00 - [45] to all the exploit accusing carebears: go friggin die Zombie RULES! ----------------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world
Ulendar	Posted - 2004.05.04 01:15:00 - [46] Originally by: juel Thought they got rid of all of them scum the last time. They are all contained right now too bad u just cant blow up that whole system or even better, just close the gates and keep em all there. Ahahahahahaha! I'm so happy there is people like you in this game to pod! Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this. It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
Synapse Archae	Posted - 2004.05.04 03:28:00 - [47] Exploit or no, it still makes them lame griefers. If they ever chose to fight out of empire space their fleet would be destroyed in a week by the nearest alliance (not counting curse) and that would be the end of it. --------------------------------------------- [/IMG]http://millerfam.org/eve/synapse_logo.jpg[/IMG] Everyone deserves a chance to live. My job is to make sure they get it.
Siddy	Posted - 2004.05.04 07:16:00 - [48] Edited by: Siddy on 04/05/2004 07:18:08 OMG OMG OMG ZOMBIES are campping !!!!111oneoneonelven untill "Yulai inccident" 90% didint even know who Zombies are .... so now if some one yells at forums "OMG - Zombies are at it AGEN" half EVE comunity get on ther toes.... when i was campping Gate at passari at 150km back in pirat times (yes, i am retired from piracy) and killed 30 + ships and 20 pods no one flamed/whined in forums and 20 pods is 1/5th of what zombie's killed in yulai .... so - i dont se a problem they are campping altar what is "less secure " area - i got nothing against it Granted - it feel bad to get in one of thous camps i agree but most pilots that arent flying AFK have a nice chance of getting alive from there ...unless it is ofcorse a mega uber super gankk and thous ganks shine like a thousand stars in Map -------------------------------------------
Lifewire	Posted - 2004.05.04 07:38:00 - [49] Quote: If they ever chose to fight out of empire space their fleet would be destroyed in a week by the nearest alliance (not counting curse) and that would be the end of it. Funny stupid people in this game
Zen	Posted - 2004.05.04 08:01:00 - [50] The topic should say "... again". After all, they've been there, doing this very same thing every now and then since January at least. Then again, if you continue making threads like this maybe some day people will actually look at their maps before going through 0.4 systems on autopilot. Besides, this kind of thing just makes life more exciting. Reminds me of when I ran a Zombie blockade (3 pilots on both sides of the gate) twice in The Great Wildlands in my Badger II full or Arkonor. Spiced up an otherwise boring (but lucrative) day of mining
Adrastos	Posted - 2004.05.04 08:16:00 - [51] this topic seems to steer up alot of anger. also please not that exploits should not be discussed on the forum Do not post about bugs and exploits. Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper method by filing a report for our Quality Assurance department. Discussions about unverified problems in the game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue the community needs to be aware of, we will make an official statement about it. topic locked- adrastos EVE Forum Rules - Contact the Moderator Team

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