• Records positional, directional information etc. in realtime to your hard drive for later edit and playback, not just raw video and audio frames like current video capture.


• Allows you to edit the saved battle information and add camera tracks, pans and zooms for dynamic and stylish angles over a timeline in realtime.


• Uses only a fraction of what standard video capture tools require, allowing lag-free PvP, fleet or otherwise, as well as detailed recording, at ridiculously high resolutions!!


• With such power over the timeframe, it allows you fine-tuned control on the where the camera is, and doing what at any part of the timeline.


• Snapshots, allowing those perfect Kodak moments to be captured. (Preferably in 24 bit BMP format, or lossless PNG)


• The perfect tool for anyone who doesn't want to Fraps at 1920 x 1200 Shocked, because that would be nuts. Well, now you can record in 1920 x 1200 Shocked, and edit it in realtime, then record your work of art with your favourite video capture tool, convert it to your favourite video format and post it up to eve-files.com for all to appreciate!

• Plays-back the previously edited and saved battle, in full-screen or in windowed mode, ready for you to record with your favourite video-capture tool!

Originally by: z0de

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I like this alot!

although I don't want it to be able to record anything more than final values speed/distance/damage/etc. No saving of modules at all(metagaming) or anything that you couldn't get from a normal video.

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Originally by: CCP Zulupark

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Demo recorder:
Nothing discussed so far, no plans in place.

This may well become a feature some day, but not in the immediate future.

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A recording function should be fairly easy to implement in any MMO or other networked multi-player game.

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All the recorder needs to do is record all information the client receives from the server.
Then the player could be a game client connected to a mock server (not a real server but a part of the client which pretends to be the server) which sends the recorded information to the client again and with the same timing.

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This is how it was done in the early version of the Unreal engine (and it's probably still done this way in the latest version).

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Advantages:
- 100% client-based
- Re-use of a lot of existing code
- The recorder only records what the client can see while recording
(This is good, because it means it can't be exploited!)

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Originally by: Averick Maeve

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Love the idea, I wanna watch my victims explode over and over again. Should also be relatively easy to code.

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Originally by: Izo Alabaster

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I usually play 2 clients at once, making FRAPS impossible to run on my system, since it's already taxed by the two EVE clients. This idea would be very helpful in recording fights.

Please implement this, CCP.

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Originally by: Myrkala

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Still hoping the dev's will see this and think seriously about doing something like this.

Would make for EPIC fleet battle videos!

/SUPPORT

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Originally by: Mara Rinn

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If the battle recorder was low-bandwidth enough it could be left on all the time. This would make debugging edge case simulator problems much easier: simply submit the battle recorder footage with your bug and CCP can know exactly which objects were on grid, where, and doing what.

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Originally by: Dynamix Boon

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I'd really like to see this implemented.

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Originally by: Dynamix Boon

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I think it would be an invaluable learning tool.

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Originally by: Dynamix Boon

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CCP are investing a lot of time in to the "new player experience", could some of that time be put in to teaching resources like this, not just tutorials?

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Why isn't this stickied yet

Originally by: Cruthensis

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I think that's the one that should nail it for CCP. Practically everyone wanting to watch the AT has the client, which can do all the rendering for them. No more bandwidth hogging video.

Effectively, it'd be like being on the grid as an invisible pilot. I expect they'd want to have some kind of relay(s) for the data to go out to the audience to ensure the grid itself remains lag free for the participants, but that shouldn't be so hard.

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Originally by: U'los Rid****

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would really like to see this. One button to start/pause/stop recording.

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Originally by: Ada Veer

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Notice this idea CCP

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Originally by: Cadde

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This is one of those things that should be so bloody obvious to CCP... I can't believe they haven't done this since the beginning!

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Originally by: Cadde

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Over and over again the idea of making such a thing has come up in my mind, but still CCP refuses to make the good chances and instead waste their goddamn time on less necessary stuff.

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Originally by: Cadde

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On my priority list, this would end up way high. Just below FIXING the stuff that doesn't work as intended and making the GUI better. Also, making the client seamless (that is, no more stuttering in the rendering engine due to crappy I/O handling) is a high priority item.

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Originally by: Cadde

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The next expansion (which would go in line with their "excellence" drive) should focus on the client, making it better for all and implementing these tools at the same time.

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Originally by: Cadde

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In short...
/Signed

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Originally by: Planetary Genocide

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This sounds a lot like Bungie's Video rendering thing that they use for Halo 3.

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Originally by: Planetary Genocide

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I'm not exactly sure if that's where you got the idea from, since your original thread is after H3 came out, but regardless (irregardless is not a word), this would be a freaking brilliant idea for EVE.

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Originally by: Planetary Genocide

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I don't have any ideas that probably haven't been suggested already, so i'll read through the thread later when i have time and see what's missing that I think could be useful.

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Originally by: Commandante Caldari

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Edited by: Commandante Caldari on 16/02/2010 12:05:57
What's very important: an EVE Post-Render Engine.

The recorded data should be able to be post-rendered for a new level of visual effects, perfect AA, shadows, reflections, motion blur, de-focus etc.
Overall - I am not sure if that task would make sense for CCP due to the high amount of additional work - an EVE Movie Maker with a post-renderer could support extreme detailed models, real volume shader effects we know from common 3D apps renderer, different type of explosion effects, ships breaking into thousand of pieces etc. Just an overkill-idea. I know. But worth to put it on a future task list.

I try just to imagine that you have full control over post-camera work with loads of cam features combined with a high-end rendering of the recorded stuff in cinematic or better: Sci-Fi movie VFX quality what we know from e.g. BSG, Star Wars ...

CCP ... really ... give us this feature and you get tons of impressive promo-stuff for free and it will bait thousands of new players into the game for sure. It's the ultimate tool to keep record of history inside EVE and will offer a totally new visual experience how epic big battles really are. It will offer new breathtaking possibilities of EVE film making and opens the gate to real storytelling far beyond FRAPS cuts with metal soundtracks. EVE WILL BE MORE EPIC.

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Originally by: Haxfar Portlaind

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What about adding a feature to filter out unwanted info? Like if there's a unwanted ship coming by, you can simply unselect it to be rendered?

BTW, should this be in that CSM forum-thread-thing-sub?

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Originally by: Commandante Caldari

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Edited by: Commandante Caldari on 16/02/2010 12:05:57
What's very important: an EVE Post-Render Engine.

The recorded data should be able to be post-rendered for a new level of visual effects, perfect AA, shadows, reflections, motion blur, de-focus etc.
Overall - I am not sure if that task would make sense for CCP due to the high amount of additional work - an EVE Movie Maker with a post-renderer could support extreme detailed models, real volume shader effects we know from common 3D apps renderer, different type of explosion effects, ships breaking into thousand of pieces etc. Just an overkill-idea. I know. But worth to put it on a future task list.

I try just to imagine that you have full control over post-camera work with loads of cam features combined with a high-end rendering of the recorded stuff in cinematic or better: Sci-Fi movie VFX quality what we know from e.g. BSG, Star Wars ...

CCP ... really ... give us this feature and you get tons of impressive promo-stuff for free and it will bait thousands of new players into the game for sure. It's the ultimate tool to keep record of history inside EVE and will offer a totally new visual experience how epic big battles really are. It will offer new breathtaking possibilities of EVE film making and opens the gate to real storytelling far beyond FRAPS cuts with metal soundtracks. EVE WILL BE MORE EPIC.

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Originally by: Myrkala

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Oh, this thread, glad to see it still active, the video community would EXPLODE if this could be done.

I am of course talking about the superawesome re-playable combat-log generator, with framedumping for awesome smooth videos.

PS.
I remember seeing 60fps Quake videos with motion blur added, that was so cool.

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Originally by: Kronsur Boon

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Doesn't CCP already have an in house "Post-Render Engine"? I believe it was used by DireLauthris to create Day Of Darkness II. CCP also use it to produce the awesome trailers.

Many players, especially during fleet fights, turn the effects off. It would be great to actually see the epic battles unfold in all their high detail quality.

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Originally by: Lord Helghast

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Edited by: Lord Helghast on 25/02/2010 12:39:44
this is a great idea and needed, position and direction data is all thats needed, and the ship types, weapon targets, afterwards, we cud render it with full 16xAA and all the goodies, and produce proper videos (halo 3 camera anyone?)

EDIT: WHY ISNT THIS IN THE ASSEMBLY HALL?

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The CSM inquired about the possibility of a battle recorder, a tool that stores the data stream from the
server which would enable re-rendering of events and therefore help with videos. CCP explained that
this is technically possible and actually exists as an in-house tool. However, quite a bit of development
time is needed in order to release it to players. Itæs therefore a question of prioritization.

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Originally by: BeanBagKing

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/signed

This also sounds a lot like my old suggestion (well, old to me, first time I've seen this one). I'd love to see a feature like this, especially for alliance tournaments and the like so you could check out ships, their speed, their pilots, etc while watching the "instant replay" on your local computer.

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Originally by: Gil Warden

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I'm a little late in responding, and I just haven't had the time to go thorough all the posts, yet. But it is a very interesting suggestion, and I'd even dare say a must.

However For this to work the recording should come with a tool to merge multiple recordings. The recorder only get the data the pilot can "see", not for the whole system, or any neighbouring systems. That mean that in a fleet fight you really need all participants to record, and then be able to merge these recordings for the "full" picture.
Also, if podded, you are cut off from recording that battle any longer. "Enemy recordings" could be made available via CCP 24 hours after the battle, though even 24 hours after the fact, it would still pose a security risk as it could reveal safe spots etc.

Of course, the playback software will be more of a challenge to write, and that is where CCP will have to put most of it's dev time.

It would be even more fun if the battle data is stored in a format that is editable, in case you are going to make a film or tell a story. It could start a whole new set of third party tools to edit these films.

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Originally by: Lubomir Penev

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I'd rather have blinking leds on my AlienWare box.

Oh wait, supported.

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Originally by: Insultan

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No, no, terrible idea! It's too easy, it would just make the game too fun.

I hate fun. I want everyone to suffer and cry as my 425ms LAG IIs return you to your stations and causes your fraps to hang.

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Originally by: Admiral Morlan

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/SIGNED!!!

I've wanted this since the second week!

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Originally by: Agallis Zinthros

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Originally by: ninjaholic

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Edited by: ninjaholic on 01/03/2010 03:21:40
Save the best for last? Of course! Why wouldn't it be possible to STREAM the Alliance Tournament DIRECTLY to your client? So you could WATCH IT HAPPEN LIVE at home and be your own cameraman recording your own demos. Even listen to the commentary via EVE voice!

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Oh god this. Not only will it look better and play at any resolution, but it will save CCP tons of money in bandwidth costs.

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Originally by: Gecko O'Bac

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Very interesting idea though I think it's quite more complex doing this for eve than for half life... It'd be very interesting to have though.

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Originally by: Gecko O'Bac

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One feature, though I realize it's quite complex, that should be added is some sort of incremental additions to a "logged" file. The reason is... Big battles mean crashes... For a complete view of the battle you might have to aggregate different files from different people...

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Originally by: Gecko O'Bac

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Also, you might want different PoVs, like what was going on with the support fleet, with the BS fleet and with the capital fleet...

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Originally by: Serious Masta

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ive got this idea too, but not with these details.

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Originally by: Gecko O'Bac

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I didn't mean in terms of resources, but complex to actually implement. I say that because If I understand exactly how eve works, the clients receive all the positional info from the server, updated every x secs (and lag dependent), since eve basically is a big physics engine with graphics attached on top, while half life is a graphic engine with physics attached on top.

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Originally by: Gecko O'Bac

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So on HL most of the simulation is client side and thus easier to manipulate. Eve on the other hand doesn't work like that... If you lag the client does nothing, at most your ship will continue flying straight on in the last direction taken at the same speed it had when you stopped receiving info.

Now, ofc I may be wrong, I'm not inside either game, but that's how things are usually done.

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Originally by: Rugs

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Once upon a time ( 2006 actually ) I posted this idea as well, and many have posted after that...

The thing is, it works in so many other games ( HL1 from 1998 ffs! :) and it's only using resources from the client pretty much, it's up to CCP to implement it.

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Originally by: Covert Kitty

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/signed
This sort of a feature has helped make demo video's in many other games. I would certainly make use of it.

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Originally by: Isidore Tailleur

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do this.

it would create loads of free advertising for CCP if making EVE vidoes wasn't such a hassle...

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Originally by: GizzyBoy

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THis.

Save incoming telemetry data, and just have a special mode in client to play it all back. If your there you are already getting most of the data that makes the pixels, all you have to do is save the stream, Then allow clients to play back this stream and convert it to video on client as you move camera around etc. also make eve tv for alliance matches much nicer.

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Originally by: Elm'o

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Would be awesome. Probably hell of a payload for the cpu to handle but we're allowed to dream.

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Originally by: ILikeMarkets

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It would be great if they would allow us to pick what ship to view from, or to move freely, but I doubt that would be possible.

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Originally by: Jace Errata

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+1 to this. It r awesome.

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Originally by: b1zz

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I support, of course.

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Originally by: MotherSammy

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Massive +1 to this idea. Others have mentioned this concept but you outlined its functionality best.

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Originally by: MotherSammy

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CCP need to do this for their own good. The resulting videos would become amazing advertising for the game. The current set of "video-maker-controls" are laughable and broken. Clear skies had access to the jessica (CCP cinematics) engine for a while and an in-game approximation of this would be fantastic.

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Originally by: Eight Bit

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Hmm.. now if the recorded battles could be watched on the CQ TV screen.... :)

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Originally by: MotherSammy

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Ian Chisholm was given a copy of Jessica lite to take home

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Originally by: UniToxic

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This isn't implemented yet because? :o

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