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Lipton
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Posted - 2004.05.04 12:30:00 -
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Come on... It's been said a million times, ya...
But the problem still aint solved? (not important enough?) 
Hot dang! Give Amarr (B)Ships a Good laser bonus so that ppl flying em will actually use em, cos as it is now, allmost nobody does... Wasnt really the plan eh?
Hammer away with something like the Megathron and Rails and u wouldnt have ppl mounting 7 425's on a Apoc...
I aint saying HOW it should be done, I'm just wishing that it WILL be done...
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2004.05.04 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Kaylona Tso on 04/05/2004 13:34:30
Armageddon with 7 scout 720mm rails and setup for armor tanking is the best of both worlds ( amarr and minmatar.
For Lasers, I don't think its a matter of ship bonuses to make them good... they are just a wee bit unbalanced compared to proj and hybr weapons. I personally think they take way too much cap for their fitting costs. They are not bad guns but I would never use them as PRIMARY weapons in their current state.
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.05.04 13:51:00 -
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I am currently training up for lasers and an apoc. I have decided that I want to fly an Apoc and use lasers to find out if they are really that bad. Primary use is NPC hunting and not PvP tough.
According to several persons whose oppinion I value highly they do not suck. Now I wish to find out myself.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.05.04 14:08:00 -
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These persons might have said they would be decent for fleet battles. For 1on1s (which aren't that common on TQ anyway) they suck though, and even for fleet battles they aren't quite as good as projectiles on a Tempest.
To make them viable for smaller smirkishes they'll need a decrease in energy useage only.
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.05.04 15:15:00 -
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JoCool
1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2 and 3 vs 3 are most common battles in empire space
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Arthur Eld
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Posted - 2004.05.04 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Arthur Eld on 04/05/2004 15:27:00
The amarr/laser devout are so used to seeing half their capacitor drained when they fire their weapons, that I dont think alot of people realize how much of an advantage of spending 1/3rd the cap of lasers on weapons really is.
I use 425 rails on my arma and they do good damage over long range and i have tons of cap to spare on using the armour repairer. It was amazing the first time and I still find it amazing that I can shoot all my weapons and use a repairer and hardeners and not run out of cap in under a minute.
Just goes to show how skewed lasers are.
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.05.04 15:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Arthur Eld
Edited by: Arthur Eld on 04/05/2004 15:26:31
Stupid piece of.....
You sir, have an error 40. Please go to "Edit", then select "Delete".
Have a nice day.
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Arthur Eld
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Posted - 2004.05.04 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Judicator
Originally by: Arthur Eld
Edited by: Arthur Eld on 04/05/2004 15:26:31
Stupid piece of.....
You sir, have an error 40. Please go to "Edit", then select "Delete".
Have a nice day.
Done, wasn't aware you could delete your own double posts now. Is that new?
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DaniB
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Posted - 2004.05.04 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Siddy
JoCool
1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2 and 3 vs 3 are most common battles in empire space
wrong
10 vs 1 gankfests are most seen battles in eve 
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Hellek
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Posted - 2004.05.04 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Hellek on 04/05/2004 16:34:04
Originally by: Judicator
I am currently training up for lasers and an apoc. I have decided that I want to fly an Apoc and use lasers to find out if they are really that bad. Primary use is NPC hunting and not PvP tough.
According to several persons whose oppinion I value highly they do not suck. Now I wish to find out myself.
I have energy systems operation 5, energy management 4, controlled bursts 4, amarr BS lvl4 so pretty much everything to get cap usage on lasers reduced and cap available increased (sure you could train those to 5 but I think you can't expect many people to have that) and of course large energy turret 4 and I still prefer anything except lasers. I consider my tempest (although I only have lvl3 minmatar BS and large projectile yet) far superior.
If you really try it yourself I think I will have one player more on my side soon
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Lipton
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Posted - 2004.05.04 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hellek
I have energy systems operation 5, energy management 4, controlled bursts 4, amarr BS lvl4 so pretty much everything to get cap usage on lasers reduced and cap available increased (sure you could train those to 5 but I think you can't expect many people to have that)
I have all relevant skills at 5 but still aint too happy with the performance. 
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Hellek
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Posted - 2004.05.04 23:15:00 -
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and having those at lvl5 is about 2 months more of training and if you put that much training into i.e. minmatar skills/projectiles (well actually you can't 100% cause there are not so many skills that you need for that) you end up with a far superior ship if using a tempest.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.05.05 07:10:00 -
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Edited by: JoCool on 05/05/2004 07:13:54
Originally by: Siddy
JoCool
1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2 and 3 vs 3 are most common battles in empire space
1 vs 1? Nonsense. I have to run into a 1 vs 1 yet, my gang always consists of at least two or three pilots. And still, in small smirkishes like 2/3vsX a Laser Apoc's still inferior to a Tempest.
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Hellek
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Posted - 2004.05.05 14:22:00 -
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it depends on the style you play but for somebody like me, anything smaller than 3vs3 is rather uncommon. pirates of course rather fight smaller battles.
Anyway, it does not depend on the size of the battle, in a 1vs1 against a tempest or raven the apoc would loose, in a 5 vs 5 (5 tempests or ravens against 5 apocs) the apoc team would loose as well. Sure a 5vs5 usually would have mixed fleets but that does not change that the apoc would not play any important role in that battle. Sure it could make a nice tank but a raven could tank as good and at the same time also deal damage which is a thing that the apoc can't. The tempest would be able to deal a lot of damage and at the same time take quite some damage while an apoc which is set up to deal a lot of damage (which is difficult as it has no damage bonus) can take hardly any damage. If the Apoc uses Lasers this becomes even worse. The only thing which has a nice cap-usage/damage ratio seems to be dual heavy pulse, but that's shortrange and in my opinion can't compete with other shortrange setups (i.e. blasterthron, most probably shortrange tempest is superior as well).
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