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Koryvarn The Fated Odyssey.	Posted - 2008.05.26 04:43:00 - [31] In the UK, unauthorised access and disruption of service, regardless if you have the password or not, is a criminal offence under the Computer Misuse Act. If someone messed with my servers, I'd just log their details and contact my local police force and let them deal with it.
Kedo	Posted - 2008.05.26 04:47:00 - [32] Quote: To be fair, this guy hacked into some RL stuff, evaded the FBI, and spent other peoples money. And thats JUST the proven facts. We need to remember, that we are talking about TeamSpeak, and a spaceship game here....Nobody involved sustained real life losses as a result of this. No one got evicted from thier house, and had thier identity stolen because as TS address was passed around. Umm doesn't the monetary value of losing a Titan equate to 10k USD? Crashing a server would lead to a battle lost and who knows how many billions in ships. Just saying technically you could put a price on a lost battle. In all honesty I think its funny, TS imo stinks Vent is way to go, either way though any corp that has to win by these tactics is a crappy corp/alliance.
fugazii Deep Space Productions	Posted - 2008.05.26 05:01:00 - [33] Originally by: Kedo In all honesty I think its funny, TS imo stinks Vent is way to go, either way though any corp that has to win by these tactics is a crappy corp/alliance. Go back to wow, vent is *. "There is nothing they can do to counter 5000 f***g Goons logged in and ready to go." - darius JOHNSON
Karbowiak Anoint Malice.	Posted - 2008.05.26 05:09:00 - [34] Originally by: Kedo Quote: To be fair, this guy hacked into some RL stuff, evaded the FBI, and spent other peoples money. And thats JUST the proven facts. We need to remember, that we are talking about TeamSpeak, and a spaceship game here....Nobody involved sustained real life losses as a result of this. No one got evicted from thier house, and had thier identity stolen because as TS address was passed around. Umm doesn't the monetary value of losing a Titan equate to 10k USD? Crashing a server would lead to a battle lost and who knows how many billions in ships. Just saying technically you could put a price on a lost battle. In all honesty I think its funny, TS imo stinks Vent is way to go, either way though any corp that has to win by these tactics is a crappy corp/alliance. If you'd pull your head out of your ass, you'd notice that Ventrilo is even more insecure than TS. The only reason TS is mentioned here, is because TS is used 100 times more than Ventrilo. Pretty much because TS doesn't cost money to host, Ventrilo does. Plus Ventrilo is 100 times harder to setup with its horrible interface than TS is. You can't make your own mods for Ventrilo as you can for TS (mySQL enabled TS with own coded stuff = gold for an alliance, if coded with API verification and registration) Need i go on about how bad Ventrilo is compared to TS?. The only GOOD thing about Ventrilo is the obvious fact that the codecs it uses is better than that TS uses. LONG LIVE CONCRETE! Anoint Recruitment
Sentinel Eeex DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.26 05:25:00 - [35] Originally by: Koryvarn In the UK, unauthorised access and disruption of service, regardless if you have the password or not, is a criminal offence under the Computer Misuse Act. If someone messed with my servers, I'd just log their details and contact my local police force and let them deal with it. Well, you would, but do you know what police would do? The same thing they usually do. ****all. (not much has changed since "Cuckoo's Egg" era)
Elfaen Ethenwe omen.	Posted - 2008.05.26 06:39:00 - [36] lol. Be thankful you wernt port scanned. Waiting ten minutes to hear what someone has said can be rather anoying mid fleet fight. besides it could have been a lot worse.... follow this little link (not worksafe) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE3KdcTgrno <><><>Together we gank, devided we pop<><><><> Kai made me a sig \o/
FenikSar Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.26 07:35:00 - [37] Edited by: FenikSar on 26/05/2008 07:36:03 Edited by: FenikSar on 26/05/2008 07:35:25 Linkage Says it all, its always happened and always will I Cant Read And I Cant Write But I Can Fly An Apoc. For Live Ingame Price Checks. Visit the ingame channel price_check.
Kriger x13 X13 Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.26 07:36:00 - [38] not sure what is worse. The op or all the wannabe google interweb lawyers thinking they actually have any sort of insight into what is legally possible or not. You all look stupid. Period. Get a lawdegree and come back when you actually have an idea what you are talking about .: Kriger's gfx Factory :: x13 :.
Gemineia Rakeriku Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.05.26 07:43:00 - [39] Originally by: Sentinel Eeex Originally by: Koryvarn In the UK, unauthorised access and disruption of service, regardless if you have the password or not, is a criminal offence under the Computer Misuse Act. If someone messed with my servers, I'd just log their details and contact my local police force and let them deal with it. Well, you would, but do you know what police would do? The same thing they usually do. ****all. (not much has changed since "Cuckoo's Egg" era) True story. At work we found an online credit card fraudster who was ordering from us once who was running from a static ip address in the offices where he worked. Got in touch with the police and explained everything. We wanted to email the details over to them, and we got told they don't have email - can we fax it instead? I highly doubt you'll get the police to do squat unless the damage is fairly significant, and I seriously doubt it is. Also don't forget it's highly unlikely they "hacked" your TS. More than likely an alt join or someone sold the pw.
Valan The Fated Odyssey.	Posted - 2008.05.26 08:23:00 - [40] Originally by: Sentinel Eeex Originally by: Koryvarn In the UK, unauthorised access and disruption of service, regardless if you have the password or not, is a criminal offence under the Computer Misuse Act. If someone messed with my servers, I'd just log their details and contact my local police force and let them deal with it. Well, you would, but do you know what police would do? The same thing they usually do. ****all. (not much has changed since "Cuckoo's Egg" era) The ISP would be interested and would follow the case up. The great thing about the UK is that telecom/internet stuff comes under the old postal laws because the Royal Mail used to own the telephone system. Jail terms are hefty you would get less for breaking in the guys house and beating him up than you will for hacking his computer. A guy got caught hopping onto someones wirelsss access they hadn't protected. He was looking at a five year sentence. It was the ISP who brought the charges not the user. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig

Gnulpie Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.05.26 08:59:00 - [41] Originally by: Sekhmet Orion You kind of answered your own question. or causing malicious damage Do you understand what that means? The only recourse in law in terms of hacking, is the amount of monetary damaged caused. That is not quite correct. Mental pain, grief and such is also damaged. Look at many cases and you will see that it counts as damage. Of course it is MUCH more difficult to quantify. Nevertheless, courts will acknowledge physical and emotional pain as damage. Not always only $$$ counts
Draygo Korvan Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.26 09:04:00 - [42] If someone gave out your password your teamspeak wasn't hacked. They just read your forums/alliance/corp mail with a spy. Joining a teamspeak server is paramount to opening a webpage, you have no real protection besides what you protect yourself. If someone actually got administrator access to the server and locked you all out, then you might have a cause for concern. The correct course of action would be to change your password, and ban any offending IP. Joining a teamspeak server cannot cause malicious damage unless that user can get some administrator level access. --
Siddy Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.26 09:12:00 - [43] I play musick during Fleetfights in TS. people like me allot for that!
SchirmerN x13	Posted - 2008.05.26 09:52:00 - [44] Edited by: SchirmerN on 26/05/2008 09:53:35 nm
MrRx7 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:14:00 - [45] lol @ OP The only reason your or anyone else server got hacked is because you lack security. there is no perfect security but its not overly difficult to block out 99.95% of the script kiddies. Or in the worst case just !!oh god!! restart the server. Razor TS has had 28 attempted DDOS attacks since the start of the insug campaign, only sucessed twice (yay randomly dropping iptables);
Sasha Lyre Blood Music	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:24:00 - [46] The only way anyone is ever going to see the inside of a courtroom in relation to eve would be if someone got drunk at fanfest or a bbq / evemeet and there was mucho violence, or extreme threats / sexual unpleasantness, with witnesses. Maybe some high rolling hack/fraud but apart from that, you can forget all your bullcrud idocy about hacking servers and such drivel, never gonna happen. Your Blood Goes to my Head and the Music Flows through my Veins
RazorSharp Rubra Libertas Militia R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:36:00 - [47] im sure that the guy who hacked your server wasnt that dump to not fake his own ip adress. But i would give it a go. Dont know which country you are from, just forward this to the right authorities and let them have a lock into this matter.
Map Screen Flat Earth Society Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2008.05.26 13:12:00 - [48] Originally by: Hawkspur Firestarter Thats like trying to get Sony to ban Xbox Live members. Do you have that sony guy's email address?
Valan The Fated Odyssey.	Posted - 2008.05.26 13:37:00 - [49] Originally by: Sasha Lyre The only way anyone is ever going to see the inside of a courtroom in relation to eve would be if someone got drunk at fanfest or a bbq / evemeet and there was mucho violence, or extreme threats / sexual unpleasantness, with witnesses. The only way you'll see someone is in court is if someone DOS attacks TS servers hanging off an ISPs network and its large enough for the automated security systems to detect and shut down. Then they'll track it through and bust whoever is on the end of it. Unlikely but then who wants to go to jail over a game that is the ultimate in sad. Hang yourself with a shoe lace in the cell time. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Psilocin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.26 16:39:00 - [50] I once lead an op on an enemy teamspeak server. They didn't require registration to log in and one of their members even came on and talked to us a bit. Does this mean I'm going to jail? FOFOFOOOO!

Yakoff Unknown Shoe Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.26 17:00:00 - [51] I am an internet smart guy who knows all about international law regarding internet usage; So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies. Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about. But trust me.... You don't. I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you don't know what you are talking about. This is how bad info gets passed around. If you dont know about the topic....Dont make yourself sound like you do. Cos some blog readers believe anything they hear. ___ It deosnt mttaer waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, olny taht the frist and lsat leettr be in the rghit pclae. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef.
Emrod Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.26 17:05:00 - [52] Originally by: Forum Fanatic What a vindictive and hateful 'community' you are. Blame Band of Brother. COAD is for morons.......hey...wait a minute 0o !!!
Pr1ncess Alia Perkone	Posted - 2008.05.26 17:20:00 - [53] Originally by: HaulandHaul ccp also said that it has no place on these forums MOM SAID NO FIGHTING! Originally by: Forum Fanatic What a vindictive and hateful 'community' you are. we should be ashamed of ourselves. ts hacking is lame, but you have eve voice, vent, you can set up backup servers etc etc etc metagaming is part of eve. get used to it. it sucks but its not going to change. be smarter and stay a step ahead of the guy. best policy is to expect you are being spied on and to expect having your out of game stuff hacked when you need it most, act accordingly.
Pr1ncess Alia Perkone	Posted - 2008.05.26 17:21:00 - [54] Originally by: Emrod Originally by: Forum Fanatic What a vindictive and hateful 'community' you are. Blame Band of Brother. dude you are so awesome can i have your autograph?
TrevorReznik's Sister University of Caille	Posted - 2008.05.26 17:23:00 - [55] junkie beverage hacked his way into my heart
mummmy Destructive Influence	Posted - 2008.05.26 17:53:00 - [56] Originally by: pipvac Edited by: pipvac on 25/05/2008 22:54:59 Hacking a server, or causing malicious damage to property such as a server is a crime. CCP agrees... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=66956 Thanks for your IP addresses, they have been forwarded. thats not what he said, he said its a crime in some places, even still there oppinion matters not as its the legal system only that can do anything about it. CCP can do nothing....
Xiaodown Anoint Malice.	Posted - 2008.05.26 18:31:00 - [57] Oh, you got me. My IP is 127.0.0.1. I will brace myself for the inevitable ping flood. ~X -- Sig under construction.
Aran Makor Phoenix Division	Posted - 2008.05.26 19:29:00 - [58] Edited by: Aran Makor on 26/05/2008 19:31:27 Edited by: Aran Makor on 26/05/2008 19:30:09 Originally by: Kedo Quote: To be fair, this guy hacked into some RL stuff, evaded the FBI, and spent other peoples money. And thats JUST the proven facts. We need to remember, that we are talking about TeamSpeak, and a spaceship game here....Nobody involved sustained real life losses as a result of this. No one got evicted from thier house, and had thier identity stolen because as TS address was passed around. Umm doesn't the monetary value of losing a Titan equate to 10k USD? Crashing a server would lead to a battle lost and who knows how many billions in ships. Just saying technically you could put a price on a lost battle. In all honesty I think its funny, TS imo stinks Vent is way to go, either way though any corp that has to win by these tactics is a crappy corp/alliance. Yeah, your right, sorta. The underlying fact, is that NO real life isk was spent. No one used RL isk to by that titan (or if they did, they broke the EULA). The fact that the titan = 10k USD is to illlustrate how long it takes to get one. Being pirated and losing your ship in hisec is the same thing, by your logic. I spent a month (15$ USD) saving the isk up to buy said ship, and now its gone. Can i sue in real life the pirates who did that? No. The only way to have a legal case here is to prove that the person who did the hacking caused someone to lose real life money. And in order to prove that, the person trying to sue the hacker would incriminate himself by violating the EULA (buying isk). So, what it all boils down too, is that the OP is screwed, he got pirated, in a manner of speaking. Sucks to be you.
fugazii Deep Space Productions	Posted - 2008.05.26 20:05:00 - [59] Originally by: Kriger Edited by: Kriger on 26/05/2008 08:31:17 not sure what is worse. The op or all the wannabe google interweb lawyers taunting him thinking they actually have any sort of insight into what is legally possible or not. You all look stupid. Period. Get a lawdegree and come back when you actually have an idea of what you are talking about "Come back when you have an idea of what your talking about" said by a person who is basing his whole statement on an assumption. "There is nothing they can do to counter 5000 f*****g Goons logged in and ready to go." - darius JOHNSON
Hrin Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.26 20:26:00 - [60] Staling IP addresses is a serious crime



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