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Scorum Magnus
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Posted - 2004.05.04 20:02:00 -
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Edited by: Scorum Magnus on 04/05/2004 20:21:56
Edited by: Scorum Magnus on 04/05/2004 20:21:14
Edited by: Scorum Magnus on 04/05/2004 20:19:48
Edited by: Scorum Magnus on 04/05/2004 20:08:37
Since this has escalated into a pretty much EVE wide conflict this should be told from an unbiased opinion. Please everyone do not flame in this post this will be used to keep the rest of EVE updated on whats going on. No kill lists, no "we owned you", no smack talking, just who is on each side and who is fighting who. It would be great if we could get reporters to do this job and to watch the fleet engagements and see who really is beating who. Screen shots and FRAPS are welcomed to show whats going on. Since this is one of the biggest events going on right now Im hoping that a few polaris or GMs take notice and try and say moderate the information going out to the EVE universe. Putting stuff up on teh news would be a great idea if we could have non biases opinions watching the fights kinda like combat corispondents(spelling is off.)
Well here is the breakdown so far of annouced delcarations if I dont mention you please feel free to chime in and post.
Arcane M0ovolution Sharks/GE - Stain Alliance - Fountian Alliance - Coalition of Free Stars fighting currently against the Curse Alliance - C4 Alliance - Remenants of the Forsaken Empire.
This does not imply that SA is allied with m0o they are fighting a common enemy right now and thats how it stands. As far as i know it is only a 2 sided war and m0o has not taken any serious aggresions against SA,FA, or CFS within this time.
***EDIT***
Changed FE ot Remenants of the FE.
Added Sharks (sorry i forgot you guys)
***UPDATE*** My reasoning...
The primary reason for this post is this war effects a good portion of the EVE players. In fact most them are effected more by this war than most of the CCP events. Dont get me wrong CCP events are great and most of Empire doesnt really care about this war but its always nice to get a little update about whats going on(without searching through flames and the kill boards,etc...)
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.05.04 20:06:00 -
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now we need to make a name for it, Universal War I, Galactic War I, InterGalactic War I or somethin...
"We brake for nobody"
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crice
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Posted - 2004.05.04 20:06:00 -
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There is no more FE.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.05.04 20:10:00 -
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Arcane, MOovolution, GE, and Sharks.
I believe that is all the corps involved in our side of the war on curse.
Feel free to add any i may have missed..
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crice
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Posted - 2004.05.04 20:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Meridius
Arcane, MOovolution, GE, and Sharks.
I believe that is all the corps involved in our side of the war on curse.
Feel free to add any i may have missed..
Black Nova,MASS,can't recall the rest. Damn Short term memory. *looks through corpses.
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Masochist
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Posted - 2004.05.04 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
now we need to make a name for it, Universal War I, Galactic War I, InterGalactic War I or somethin...
How about Universally Intergalactic Galaxy War from Hell Number One
....or "Finally Having Fun" for short.
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Scorum Magnus
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Posted - 2004.05.04 20:28:00 -
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I think either CCP or the GMs will give the war a name.
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Teelmaster
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Posted - 2004.05.04 20:45:00 -
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Black Nova,MASS,
Not really, we are the only ones there on a constant basis.
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crice
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Posted - 2004.05.04 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Teelmaster
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Black Nova,MASS,
Not really, we are the only ones there on a constant basis.
So.. the rest are "pirating"?
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limpy bint
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Posted - 2004.05.04 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Scorum Magnus
Remenants of the Forsaken Empire.
Did this game get merged with linage 2?
limpy bint
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crice
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Posted - 2004.05.04 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: crice on 04/05/2004 21:29:42
Originally by: limpy bint
Originally by: Scorum Magnus
Remenants of the Forsaken Empire.
Did this game get merged with linage 2?
limpy bint
Lets not sugar coat this one. There is NO FE. Period. So just say CA/C4 vrs the "Bandwagon".
Lineage II=Kill hard monster,kill harder monster,kill even harder monster.*click click click.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.05.04 21:29:00 -
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Don't want to rain on your parade too much but...
Lets be frank. This war doesnt affect many people other than the named alliances/corps. And they, in perspective, are nothing like a large proportion of the galaxies pilots.
Yup, sure. its BIG news to those involved, but, there's a huge amount of apathy about these so-called wars bought about as a consequence of the inimical flaming and rubbish spoken over all previous ones.
Simply put: nobody believes a word (most) any of those involved says and thus most dont give a rats arse what is said about it.
Gms dont have anything to do with wars (good job too) other than via normal duties. Poalris and CCP tried reporting on wars before and got threats of being sued (nice one Ragnar). Result was the closure of the original The Scope. Since then the IR have tried - and got flammed fantastically.
The upshot of all this?
The only people REALLY interested in the "war" are thos einvolved and they've shot themselves in the foot historically by being pedantic to the point of idiocy over having "their version of truths" aired over all others - and thus nothing is said at all.
When EVE Guardian (and other news services get limited kill-data [soonÖ] some limited coverage will occur. Even then, I'm sorry, but it simply isn't that big of a deal.
News worthy - yes, in a limited fashion of all-round interest.
Worth being hauled over the coals for spelling somebodies name wrong or getting a ship kill out of place?
No way.
It would be great if we could get reporters to do this job and to watch the fleet engagements and see who really is beating who
Anybody who ahs been in EVE for while should be able to tell you why this wont happen, why it didn't work before and other associated travesties. In short though: they got down or accused of being spies/cheats/liars (or even sued).
Sorry, but, thats the ways is gone down. 
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Scorum Magnus
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Posted - 2004.05.04 21:45:00 -
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Sorry but this does involve a lot of you. Your mega and zyd supplies come from these alliaces.... Every valuable peice of 0.0 space that is currently available is claimed.. Knowing that it is harder for younger corps and empire corps to get mega and zyd other than refining pirate loot.(that takes forever to get the mega and zyd for a lvl 2 bship) Many a corp and players would not exist if suddenly the alliances stopped selling mega and zyd in bulk... Probably never happen but what does happen is the symboitic relationship between the 0.0 alliances and all the people in empire space. You need them and they need you....
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Masochist
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Posted - 2004.05.04 21:46:00 -
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[masochist's rules of eve combat]
1. STFU and enjoy the fight.
2. Don't be an *******.
3. Don't insult people or brag on the forums.
4. Take it like a man when you die.
5. Ignore those that can't follow any of the above rules.
I wish that everyone could just following my 5 simple rules.
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Alkad Mzu
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Posted - 2004.05.04 22:03:00 -
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I'm afraid we're not currently taking part in your war.
Ever since C4 declared war on us a a couple of weeks ago, we've been sitting in the stations they used to own, awaiting our iminent death, demise and destruction.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.05.04 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Morkt Drak on 04/05/2004 22:07:18
Originally by: Scorum Magnus
Sorry but this does involve a lot of you. Your mega and zyd supplies come from these alliaces....
No they dont.
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Many a corp and players would not exist if suddenly the alliances stopped selling mega and zyd in bulk...
Nope - just means a lot of others would get very rich either selling stockpiles or mining out CFS space.
You are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.
You see titanic battles being fought everynight with the loss of many billions of ISK in ships and modules every hour, you see vast armies arrayed and manouvering for strategic advantage, you see lots of htings that simply don't happen I'm afraid.
Doesn't happen like that and won't happen like that until people can hold space with player objects. Until then semi-mobile campathons and stand-off blob wars are the extent of the drama with a every-weekend (usually) battle that nobody can agree on who won... comprising a tiny proportion of the sub-set of corps who themselves are a small proprotion of the total pilots.
I'm not diminishing their worth, value or impact, especially in terms of news/drama, but this all-encompassing galactic war you seem to envisage simply does not exist.
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Fedaykin Naib
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Posted - 2004.05.04 22:05:00 -
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Just wanted to add that not all 0.0 space has been claimed. The space that was recently owned by F-E was opened so that who ever would like to travel through there to mine as they please. And the Querious region is open for all to travel, although it is throughly infested with pirates.
"Long Live the Fighters!"
"The weak come and go with time. The strong have remained" - v ger
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XeQtR
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Posted - 2004.05.04 22:25:00 -
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Ever since C4 declared war on us a a couple of weeks ago, we've been sitting in the stations they used to own, awaiting our iminent death, demise and destruction.
yeah that post really had a place in this thread 
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.05.04 22:29:00 -
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Ill be honest.
To say Curse Alliance own Curse and surrounding areas is a joke. If a small corp like Sharks can do what the hell they like in a "mighty alliances" back yard, it doesn't say much for their claims.
Anyway, its all good fun. Dunno how long CA can take getting ganked liked this, its a bit like shooting fish in a barrel at the moment.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.05.04 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: crice
Black Nova,MASS,can't recall the rest.
We were mostly fighting FE up in Fade alongsde RKK, have assisted a small amount in Tribute and occasionally raid Curse (CA and NORAD have had a kind of casual KOS thing going on for months and months, stemming from the old ORS days pre-December 03).
I wouldn't say that we have been terribly active in Curse though and we certainly haven't fought alongside ATUK/m0o/Evol/SA forces in the south.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2004.05.04 22:49:00 -
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To say Curse Alliance own Curse and surrounding areas is a joke. If a small corp like Sharks can do what the hell they like in a "mighty alliances" back yard, it doesn't say much for their claims.
Maybe they don't consider u sharks and ur frigs a threat, to me ur just a fun dogfight when we cross paths, which is a lot more fun than blob wars etc etc, hope to see u soon 
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.05.04 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tehel Necrona
Maybe they don't consider u sharks and ur frigs a threat, to me ur just a fun dogfight when we cross paths, which is a lot more fun than blob wars etc etc, hope to see u soon
Well, if you dont consider losing BS's on a regular basis to the invading forces a threat, then you guys must have deep pockets!
At the end of the day, it is all good fun. Ive had the best fun in Eve for a long time since being in Curse. Hope to see you soon too ;)
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.05.04 23:38:00 -
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The (for lack of a better name) Hunters have opened Tribute as free space, Morkt. That's hardly insignificant.
As for curse, well, I agree with Miso. Their days are numbered :)
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.05.05 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
The (for lack of a better name) Hunters have opened Tribute as free space, Morkt. That's hardly insignificant.
Didn't say it was.
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Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2004.05.05 00:28:00 -
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Call it WAR!!! or maybe this one will suffice if simple is not your bag baby.
"The Brobdingnagian Platitudinal Penultimate Cataclysmic Intergalactic Conflict"
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.05.05 01:34:00 -
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what a cool post and im in it!!!
Wanna fly with me?
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2004.05.05 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: crice
Black Nova,MASS,can't recall the rest.
We were mostly fighting FE up in Fade alongsde RKK, have assisted a small amount in Tribute and occasionally raid Curse (CA and NORAD have had a kind of casual KOS thing going on for months and months, stemming from the old ORS days pre-December 03).
I wouldn't say that we have been terribly active in Curse though and we certainly haven't fought alongside ATUK/m0o/Evol/SA forces in the south.
I can support that statement, I hang around the old CA/FE border and had never seen a BNC member till I probing into Outer Ring. And even hanging around the "warzones" I haven't seen a member of either side,so obviously no one has seen me, small corps now can go where they please and mine in YOUR space cuz you are foolishly fighting one another, instaed of joining together to defeat the Anti-Pirate corps. Hmmmmmmm.....Defend your ego and weaken your alliances or actually change the face of Eve and conquer regions by eliminating hardcore carebears, apparently, I am the only one who would rather have a REAL victory or war.
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Andarvi
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Posted - 2004.05.05 06:16:00 -
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You want the truth, here it is:
Battles are fought daily. Ships are lost, clones are activated and everybody (well most of us anyway) is having a blast.
Reporting on a war is useless, really. At the end of the day history will be written by the corporations that remain in curse space.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.05.05 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: Miso
Originally by: Tehel Necrona
Maybe they don't consider u sharks and ur frigs a threat, to me ur just a fun dogfight when we cross paths, which is a lot more fun than blob wars etc etc, hope to see u soon
Well, if you dont consider losing BS's on a regular basis to the invading forces a threat, then you guys must have deep pockets!
Miso, they do. And the sad thing is that no matter what you destroy or how many of them you kill, it won't matter. CA are like locusts.
The sad part is that because a lot of CA members have more ISK in thier personal wallets than most corporations, a hell of a lot of them can afford to lose a BS or two a week and say, "Huh? No, I didn't lose a ship. It's right here."
Good luck though, and I pity any CA that crosses your path. 
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Tansien
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Posted - 2004.05.05 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
The (for lack of a better name) Hunters have opened Tribute as free space, Morkt. That's hardly insignificant.
As for curse, well, I agree with Miso. Their days are numbered :)
Number One, Indy gankers wont end the CA.
Number Two, The only reason anyone was able to claim Tribute and Vale of the Silent, was because F-E broke up, and alot of their combat pilots went away to play Lineage II.
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Propehcy
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Posted - 2004.05.05 07:14:00 -
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Quote:
Miso's posts in general..
Ya.. Whatever Miso..
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.05.05 07:46:00 -
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Reikoku and Jericho should be added to the bandwagon list as of yesterday.
Saw pilots from both in Curse region last night, and admitttedly we didn't put up much of a fight.
Let's all just quit the bragging flaming and smacktalk and get back to having some grown up fun. (Yeah I know it's not gonna happen when 10% of those involved can't keep their traps shut when they need to).
Anyway, nice seeing more people in curse then in some empire regions again 
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Friday Dillinja
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Posted - 2004.05.05 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: XeQtR
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Ever since C4 declared war on us a a couple of weeks ago, we've been sitting in the stations they used to own, awaiting our iminent death, demise and destruction.
yeah that post really had a place in this thread
The original poster listed the corps/alliances currently at war with the CA/C4. He put Fountain Alliance in this list. Alkad Mzu was so kind to point out that at the moment - alltough C4 have declared war on us - there is not much fighting going on. Alkad's post was perfectly on topic.
I might add that its not our fault if you cant live up to your war declaration.
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Volucer
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Posted - 2004.05.05 08:02:00 -
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Edited by: Volucer on 05/05/2004 08:04:11
war? you've got it all wrong, this is just a peace-keeping mission.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.05.05 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tansien
Number One, Indy gankers wont end the CA.
CCP reclassified Scorpions and Tempests as indies now have they?
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.05.05 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: Miso
Originally by: Tansien
Number One, Indy gankers wont end the CA.
CCP reclassified Scorpions and Tempests as indies now have they?
The CA pilots have a faulty 'Loss Reports' database system, Miso. It's running an old version of Windows ME and is prone to many clerical errors. 
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Slam
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Posted - 2004.05.05 08:29:00 -
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A few notes
1) This war is m0o, ATUK and EVOL vs CA and C4. To include other would be to give an incorrect picture and make it seem like this thing is bigger than it really is.
2) While Morkt may be right one extremely important thing about the conflicts on the frontier is forgotten. All those billions of isk being blown up is justified by "conflict" experience being gained by those participating. This means organisation, politics, skill at commanding, fleet tactics - the list is long. The people outside these conflicts *should* care whats going on. Why? Because you have the most powerful entities in Eve duking it out (and yes they really are!). Anybody planning for any kind of station building in Shiva will have to start taking an interest. You cannot suddenly close the gap of +6 months conflict experience and expect to be able to prevent your station from being destroyed against these organisation of players (m0o, EVOL, CA etc.)
3) I wonder how many battleships FA, CA, SA and the other alliances lose to npc's each day? I dont know precise numbers, but I do know that if an lliance lose 1-2 battleships each day to PC raiders of their space lanes it is still classified as *minor* troubles.
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Macumba
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Posted - 2004.05.05 09:20:00 -
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What Morkt said really.
The trouble you've got with EVE is that it can't really do PvP. Most combat consists of people being ganked by 10x their number. If you do have a fleet battle then the lag (both client lag and server lag) can be so crippling that you may as well flip a coin to see who comes out on top. Then you've got ridiculous insurance payouts, CCP's "flavour of the month" school of balancing, no independent way of verifying kills, overpowered EW, flaccid missiles and other things to contend with.
0.0 space isn't the horror people make it out to be. Once you get past the usual choke points (which you can identify by reading the whiney f**ks on the EVE forums, ie. "THEY KILLED MY VELATOR IN B-VIP!!1") then you'll probably be okay. We're not talking wall-to-wall warfare or parrot s**t at every gate. Wars are usually isolated to one or two key systems, thats if both parties can be bothered to fight. You may encounter roaming gank squads, but they're probably on their way to or from one of these key systems.
Even a war (?) of this scale won't have an effect on the EVE economy. In fact, name one thing that has happened in the game so far that has. Miner IIs? Possibly, if you count people getting p***y because they didn't get them first as a global effect. Billions upon billions of ISK has been lost in alliance space and it's not made the slightest bit of difference.
This war is just another fart in a jar in the world of EVE. No matter how many novelty corps jump on the bandwagon.
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Lightor
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Posted - 2004.05.05 09:51:00 -
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Nice to see Miso and Seleene have started talking smack on the forums (shame I always used to enjoy reading Miso's comments)... |
Miso
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Posted - 2004.05.05 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Lightor
Nice to see Miso and Seleene have started talking smack on the forums (shame I always used to enjoy reading Miso's comments)...
Smack? lol. I've merely been correcting a few misnomers and fallacies. Wow, you guys are so sensitive! Here, look at this:
Calm...relax....
Isn't that better?
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.05.05 10:06:00 -
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Its everyone against Curse, so i guess it is EVE war 1... bout bloody time too....
lets see if CA will be able to handle this, i dont think they will, as when we are travelling thru CA space we are bumping into more and more friends....
BVIP, HEDG arnt defended as much as they used to, but losing the biggest blobbers in the game(ATUK) prob didnt help curse...
but then again, is it possible to destroy an alliance?, i think not.... u can only cause them trouble...
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Andarvi
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Posted - 2004.05.05 10:30:00 -
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Is it possible to destroy an alliance with the wealth of CA? Probably not, but you can surely hurt them. Every ship they lose needs to be replaced and bilions of ISK help less than one would think there. You need your ships at the front, not sitting at the other end of the empire. To do that you need a good supply of minerals near your factories in 0.0 space (I hope CA has been stockpiling) or go trough 30-50 jumps to get to your bases (a bit of logistical nightmare).
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.05.05 11:01:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 05/05/2004 11:05:12
Originally by: Lightor
Nice to see Miso and Seleene have started talking smack on the forums (shame I always used to enjoy reading Miso's comments)...
LOL! What, until she started blowing you up? 
Originally by: Macumba
This war is just another fart in a jar in the world of EVE. No matter how many novelty corps jump on the bandwagon.
Yeah, I gotta agree with that one. The game mechanics don't really allow you to inflict any real lasting damage on any sort of well established alliance or even a large corp. All you can do is have fun trying!
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.05.05 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 05/05/2004 11:05:12
Originally by: Lightor
Nice to see Miso and Seleene have started talking smack on the forums (shame I always used to enjoy reading Miso's comments)...
LOL! What, until she started blowing you up?
Originally by: Macumba
This war is just another fart in a jar in the world of EVE. No matter how many novelty corps jump on the bandwagon.
Yeah, I gotta agree with that one. The game mechanics don't really allow you to inflict any real lasting damage on any sort of well established alliance or even a large corp. All you can do is have fun trying!
Look on the bright side. As long as they are there, you'll have your daily dose of fun
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.05.05 13:21:00 -
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Personally i dont mind those little frigate raids ganking mining battleships, we do it all the time in another alliance region. Someone _that_ stupid not to use a scout or check the map or even stay 2 farking minutes in a belt mining while he has 5-10 hostiles in the same system deserves losing a battleship. A equal number fight taking out battleships and leaving with more than the other team is more painfull to me, and a real moral blow.
Rather see 100 sheep bite the dust than 10 lions. (as in the sheep beeing carebear miners and lions beeing hardcore pvp'ers).
Some people deny Stain beeing allied to m0o, i deny that my corp is allied with TTi or BSC, Zoners or any other c4 corp.. actually there is no C4! HA!... We juuuuuust fight the same enemies
What does seem is that its a new trent to all beat together the same dead horse, m0o and evolution attacked Xetic... Hey! Stain jumps in! CA gets sieged by zombie, m0o evol.. Hey ATUK jumps of the bandwagon because they want to be uber too! Reikoku see's that it's name is not as glorious as it used too, "LETS CHASE FAIRYTALES GUYS! F-E IS A BAD PIRATE ALLIANCE AND NOW THEY BROKE UP WE ALSO DECLARE THEIR TERITORY TO BE OURS! WOOO!".
Im glad we're seeing some more action, but couldn't you guys pick a number so you actually got a fight instead of braggin on how much miner battleships you killed? I would.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.05.05 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: DREAMWORKS
Im glad we're seeing some more action, but couldn't you guys pick a number so you actually got a fight instead of braggin on how much miner battleships you killed? I would.
Who said anything about ganking mining BS? All the BS Sharks have ganked have been "hardcore" PvP'ers. You guys will go to any lengths to try and play down the fact that small, well organised frigate fighters are making kills. One minute I'm an Indy ganker, next I'm a BS miner ganker. What next? Shuttle ganker?
Come on.
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Shadow Raver
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Posted - 2004.05.05 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Miso
Originally by: DREAMWORKS
Im glad we're seeing some more action, but couldn't you guys pick a number so you actually got a fight instead of braggin on how much miner battleships you killed? I would.
Who said anything about ganking mining BS? All the BS Sharks have ganked have been "hardcore" PvP'ers. You guys will go to any lengths to try and play down the fact that small, well organised frigate fighters are making kills. One minute I'm an Indy ganker, next I'm a BS miner ganker. What next? Shuttle ganker?
Come on.
next you will be an corp based of alts that fly around harassing people
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Macumba
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Posted - 2004.05.05 13:34:00 -
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Names Miso?
Novelty corps that jump on the bandwagon to seek attention aren't exempt from providing proof.
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Woetra
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Posted - 2004.05.05 13:35:00 -
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Did omega just call CA carebears? lawl
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Macumba
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Posted - 2004.05.05 13:37:00 -
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To be fair Woetra a lot of them are. I don't think you'll find many original CA denying that.
Why fight when you can line your wallet.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.05.05 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Macumba
Names Miso?
Novelty corps that jump on the bandwagon to seek attention aren't exempt from providing proof.
Sorry, don't do kill posts. Ask M0o, ATUK, or Evol for details of kills.
Anyway, I dont need to validate myself to you. I dont understand why you have such a problem with someone taking down your ships. You take it all so personally. Its a bit sad really.
Also, "Novelty corp"?? You think we're crap, a novelty, no good at PvP, whatever, ok, if thats the case, why cant you do anything about us? If we suck and we're getting kills, what does that make you? You guys have been reading too much of your own hype, you aren't the PvP gods you make yourselves out to be.
Anyway, I'm finding myself in a "you're ghey, no you're gheyer" forum post fest, which I ******* hate.
See you in Curse.
Miso x
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.05.05 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Slam
2) While Morkt may be right one extremely important thing about the conflicts on the frontier is forgotten. All those billions of isk being blown up is justified by "conflict" experience being gained by those participating. This means organisation, politics, skill at commanding, fleet tactics - the list is long. The people outside these conflicts *should* care whats going on. Why? Because you have the most powerful entities in Eve duking it out (and yes they really are!). Anybody planning for any kind of station building in Shiva will have to start taking an interest. You cannot suddenly close the gap of +6 months conflict experience and expect to be able to prevent your station from being destroyed against these organisation of players (m0o, EVOL, CA etc.)
Yes this is true. My intention is not to diminish the "worth" of these conflicts either, but the days where we (MDW, EG etal) regarded them as the *pinnacle* of the mportant news has passed now and that mainly due to the adverse negatitivity associated with any attempts to report on them (being my point).
As far as MDW is concerned the currrent alliances are little more than placeholders pending the arrival of certain shiva elements. MDW's military perspective is focused very much along known XAN/BIG thoughts on the importance of the post shiva (start) period over all other things. Foundation planning for that time being more important than any short term financial implications or political ones.
This is not to diminish what goes on now. But i don't feel it is right to regard what is a limited war iin and around choke points (mostly) on some days involving some few percent of some few corps as a "titanic galactic event"... because it isn't that.
The "loss" of the FE (for various reasons) was an important event due to the effective opening of Vale/Tribute etc. Seeing if CA took over control of those regions is important. SHould CA splinter would be important. Should CA not really suffer at all because they are filthy rich and catflap would be important... but none are of galactic importance outweighing all other things and affecting everybody as the original poster suggested.
Given hard data on ship losses one could make a reasonable impact assessment of various anti-CA operations, without that none of us know if any of these limited engagements are having any effect other than providing some fun.
FUn is good, readers like fun stuff, we willl cover fun stuff, but (from hard lessons learnt) we wont make a war out to be bigger or more important than it is.
SO until evidence seen otherwise CA is not "On the ropes" but nor is "business as usual" (in terms of everybody mining).
My removal from all things alliance and political (individual and corp ) gives us a very neutral outlook on these things. Until we can find some hard evidence to suggest otherwise we regard almost all alliances as being stable. Raids into, destruction of a few indies or battleships, minor disruption of mining ops - these are all "news" and all "worthy" but they don't indicate the imminent collapse of an alliance... and, as Slam, so rightfully says - its all good PvP practice which, for some, is the only significance of it.
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2004.05.05 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Woetra
Did omega just call CA carebears? lawl
What else did you think? RUS sure as hell mined for their money! ;)
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Macumba
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Posted - 2004.05.05 14:15:00 -
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Nothing personal Miso, you're just going with the flow. Everybody is guilty of it to some extent. MUST FLAME CA. CRUSH. KILL. DESTROY.
The personal thing only applies to a few people. Just because it's a game doesn't give you carte blanche to be a complete w**ker, still, that's anonymity and t'internet for you. I was quite looking forward to fighting m0o and co. originally. Good natured PvP and all that. Oh how naive we were. Any enjoyment you get from fighting is soon removed after you read local or spend a few minutes reading the s**te pedalled on here.
Fact is a lot of people aren't capable of playing without making it personal, that extends to both sides. Less chat more splat, innit?
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Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2004.05.05 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Bared Bel'Medar on 05/05/2004 14:25:33
If i may be so bold: this is a war between alliances. If you arent a member of an alliance, it doesnt consern you. Only abuot 1/3 of the platers in the game are in an allaince, and I'd say only half of those are in the war. so thats only 1000-2000 people involved at most. then you have people actualy FIGHTING the war. there are some heroes in this war no doubt, most of m0o, Balmer, Dreez, Kayosoni, Nails, TRIGGER, Khoulkkh and Svetlanna to name a few, but for the most part, only about 500 people actually fight the war. so of 16000 players, only 500 are fighting, and probaly only 200 at any given time. A big battle has 50 players on both sides, and the average battle has between 15 and 30, and only 5 or 6 real battles a day. Do the math m'boy.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.05.05 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Miso
Originally by: DREAMWORKS
Im glad we're seeing some more action, but couldn't you guys pick a number so you actually got a fight instead of braggin on how much miner battleships you killed? I would.
Who said anything about ganking mining BS? All the BS Sharks have ganked have been "hardcore" PvP'ers. You guys will go to any lengths to try and play down the fact that small, well organised frigate fighters are making kills. One minute I'm an Indy ganker, next I'm a BS miner ganker. What next? Shuttle ganker?
Come on.
You corp name wasn't in the post since your just one of the pathetic wanabee's, don't flatter yourself placing yourself in the same line as atuk/m0o/evol/sa/fa. I didnt named your corporation since your corporation means _nothing_.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.05.05 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Miso on 05/05/2004 14:33:03
Originally by: Macumba
Nothing personal Miso, you're just going with the flow. Everybody is guilty of it to some extent. MUST FLAME CA. CRUSH. KILL. DESTROY.
The personal thing only applies to a few people. Just because it's a game doesn't give you carte blanche to be a complete w**ker, still, that's anonymity and t'internet for you. I was quite looking forward to fighting m0o and co. originally. Good natured PvP and all that. Oh how naive we were. Any enjoyment you get from fighting is soon removed after you read local or spend a few minutes reading the s**te pedalled on here.
Fact is a lot of people aren't capable of playing without making it personal, that extends to both sides. Less chat more splat, innit?
Macumba, you know nothing about me. Ive been shooting at alliances since I started playing Eve, in various corps and guises. I'm not jumping on any bandwagon. Curse is big, its an alliance, Sharks has declared war on it. Why? Well, cos its fun. Sharks would be there regardless of the others like m0o and Evol. We aren't jumping on anyones bandwagon.
We are a small corp with little money. We fight alliances. Thats it.
Like you said, less talk, more splat.
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You corp name wasn't in the post since your just one of the pathetic wanabee's, don't flatter yourself placing yourself in the same line as atuk/m0o/evol/sa/fa. I didnt named your corporation since your corporation means _nothing
Someone is a grumpy bear. I didn't hang on the coat tails of anyones reputation. Like I said, Sharks would be in Curse regardless of who else is fighting against you.
Jeez, take some lithium dude, its just a game.
Miso x
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crice
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Posted - 2004.05.05 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Miso
Originally by: Tehel Necrona
Maybe they don't consider u sharks and ur frigs a threat, to me ur just a fun dogfight when we cross paths, which is a lot more fun than blob wars etc etc, hope to see u soon
Well, if you dont consider losing BS's on a regular basis to the invading forces a threat, then you guys must have deep pockets!
At the end of the day, it is all good fun. Ive had the best fun in Eve for a long time since being in Curse. Hope to see you soon too ;)
Nothing more than a raider on our homelands. Hahaha. "We don't support alliance claimed space blah blah blah, we suck so we fly newb frigs, blah blah, curse is bad blah blah". I don't see you in the Venal region or Fountain or Fade? Get over it! Hahaha Preaching about alliances you jump onto the bandwagon, I would be ashamed to fly with you, I hope m0o takes the offer.
News Flash!
BRING IT little boy!
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crice
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Posted - 2004.05.05 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tansien
Originally by: Maya Rkell
The (for lack of a better name) Hunters have opened Tribute as free space, Morkt. That's hardly insignificant.
As for curse, well, I agree with Miso. Their days are numbered :)
Number One, Indy gankers wont end the CA.
Number Two, The only reason anyone was able to claim Tribute and Vale of the Silent, was because F-E broke up, and alot of their combat pilots went away to play Lineage II.
Well said. Indy ganking is hardly combat Miso. Hahahahahhaha.
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crice
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Posted - 2004.05.05 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
Its everyone against Curse, so i guess it is EVE war 1... bout bloody time too....
lets see if CA will be able to handle this, i dont think they will, as when we are travelling thru CA space we are bumping into more and more friends....
BVIP, HEDG arnt defended as much as they used to, but losing the biggest blobbers in the game(ATUK) prob didnt help curse...
but then again, is it possible to destroy an alliance?, i think not.... u can only cause them trouble...
Well said Mr. Darth. But like I said. If your to weak to fight them on your own, join the "Bandwagon". (not referring to Celestial) 
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.05.05 15:07:00 -
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Hey crice, you need a go on the lithium after Dreamworks.
Its JUST A GAME.
Is there an adult that looks after you?
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Masochist
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Posted - 2004.05.05 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Miso
Originally by: DREAMWORKS
Im glad we're seeing some more action, but couldn't you guys pick a number so you actually got a fight instead of braggin on how much miner battleships you killed? I would.
Who said anything about ganking mining BS? All the BS Sharks have ganked have been "hardcore" PvP'ers. You guys will go to any lengths to try and play down the fact that small, well organised frigate fighters are making kills. One minute I'm an Indy ganker, next I'm a BS miner ganker. What next? Shuttle ganker?
Come on.
Stupid shuttle-ganker.
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Masochist
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Posted - 2004.05.05 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Andarvi
Is it possible to destroy an alliance with the wealth of CA? Probably not, but you can surely hurt them. Every ship they lose needs to be replaced and bilions of ISK help less than one would think there. You need your ships at the front, not sitting at the other end of the empire. To do that you need a good supply of minerals near your factories in 0.0 space (I hope CA has been stockpiling) or go trough 30-50 jumps to get to your bases (a bit of logistical nightmare).
Do people really think that we're worried about our "finances"? We're a PVP alliance and we're getting exactly what we want from this game... PVP. We owe you for enriching our gaming experience.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.05.05 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Masochist
Originally by: Andarvi
Is it possible to destroy an alliance with the wealth of CA? Probably not, but you can surely hurt them. Every ship they lose needs to be replaced and bilions of ISK help less than one would think there. You need your ships at the front, not sitting at the other end of the empire. To do that you need a good supply of minerals near your factories in 0.0 space (I hope CA has been stockpiling) or go trough 30-50 jumps to get to your bases (a bit of logistical nightmare).
Do people really think that we're worried about our "finances"? We're a PVP alliance and we're getting exactly what we want from this game... PVP. We owe you for enriching our gaming experience.
Best post so far. Maybe you could start posting for Crice as well.
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Manus Ghostface
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Posted - 2004.05.05 16:26:00 -
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It's funny seeing so many people piling on Miso. Like she said, we're there because we want to fight.
Famous radical bank robber Willy Sutton was asked why he robbed banks. His answer, "Because that's where the money is"
If your a pvp corp, why wouldn't you be in Curse right now? So many sides, so many factions, so many ready trigger fingers.
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Sun Sliver
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Posted - 2004.05.05 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Masochist
Do people really think that we're worried about our "finances"? We're a PVP alliance and we're getting exactly what we want from this game... PVP. We owe you for enriching our gaming experience.
Hmmmm you owe us? Feel free to send your isk over to me then and thanks ahead of time
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