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Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 21:31:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:Jack Carrigan wrote:That would defeat the purpose of it being an ISK sink. Think about it differently. If someone decides to spam you to no end....they know the ISK is going to your pocket...which benefits you..and gives you ammo to shame them. If it goes to a black hole...they likely don't give a crap and have nothing to show for it. Its psychological mental warfare....I don't care if you spam me if I make money off of you. But right now...CSPA means nothing to most people who have the ISK to burn without question. Might as well make it a benefit....in otherwords...get paid for spam. Of course its already been suggested a whitelist/blacklist idea works as well.
just one more way to wash isk huh? great. what other rmt friendly proposals will you make? |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2012.05.05 22:53:00 -
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So basically you'd turn spam into an ISK faucet. Sounds like another delusional carebear-engineered idea.
Turn it into an ISK sink, and it would help stabilize the market, and/or reduce the spam eventually. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2012.05.06 05:13:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:So basically you'd turn spam into an ISK faucet. Sounds like another delusional carebear-engineered idea.
Turn it into an ISK sink, and it would help stabilize the market, and/or reduce the spam eventually. No, he's asking (in one idea) to have spam be an isk handchanger. No different than the market (minus taxes).
And CSPA charge has no effect on spam received. I have gotten 4 mass mails in 2 years, and my charge is zero.
As to this suggestion, meh. It doesn't bother me, but I can understand the annoyance. |
Koreli Stelios
Mining Manufacture and Muling
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Posted - 2012.05.30 02:22:00 -
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Awwwweee! Is Icle Drakey all bothered by something. Does he not like getting nice friendly mails from people when its out of his control?
Ahw, its almost like being Mail Ganked. But instead of it blowing up your ship it makes Drakeys head explode cos he has to read all them words. And we all know you don't cope well with lots of words. That's why you write in all those spaced out broken up sentences right, so you don't get to lost, keep your mind wrapped round it all.
Here's an idea, why don't you just not read it? And instead of trying to have things changed so you can make more ISK for nothing do as suggested and block those who send it to you.
Hmm, it almost seems unfair that they are generally the players with enough ISK not to care about the mail cost... Oh but yes of course Drake Draconis wrote:this is not the place for "fairness" this place being EVE online. Well Didums!
Oh or here's a final thought. Drake Draconis wrote:Its called pay attention to your environment and don't worry about your mail so much if you just flew into Jita. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.05.30 03:26:00 -
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Koreli Stelios wrote:Awwwweee! Is Icle Drakey all bothered by something. Does he not like getting nice friendly mails from people when its out of his control? Ahw, its almost like being Mail Ganked. But instead of it blowing up your ship it makes Drakeys head explode cos he has to read all them words. And we all know you don't cope well with lots of words. That's why you write in all those spaced out broken up sentences right, so you don't get to lost, keep your mind wrapped round it all. Here's an idea, why don't you just not read it? And instead of trying to have things changed so you can make more ISK for nothing do as suggested and block those who send it to you. Hmm, it almost seems unfair that they are generally the players with enough ISK not to care about the mail cost... Oh but yes of course Drake Draconis wrote:this is not the place for "fairness" this place being EVE online. Well Didums! Oh or here's a final thought. Drake Draconis wrote:Its called pay attention to your environment and don't worry about your mail so much if you just flew into Jita.
Ok... I'm going to assume you have a kindergarten education and never made it through high school.
That said....
There is a difference expecting someone to have a fair fight planned when you get can flipped.
And an exploitation of mechanics when it comes to spamming the entirety of EVE Online for the singular intent of advertisement without consequences.
The can flipper you oh so hate is just as much at risk as you are...you can shoot him back...and blow him up even.
Its a proven fact.
You cannot however stop the initial spam flood because at least 1 message will always get through regardless of CSPA.
Now if your nooblet carebear brain cant fathom that...then you have no business making such ridiculous comments. Please go back to school and bother to learn to read and think before you respond.
Thank you.
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Koreli Stelios
Mining Manufacture and Muling
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Posted - 2012.05.30 13:38:00 -
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My answer was very well thought out. You call it ridiculous and yet its just the sort of answer you would give people when you don't like an idea. Condescending, unconstructive and quite rude really. And then you have the gall and hypocrisy to tell me that, effectively, i'm childish and need to think before i speak! You are only truly speaking to yourself there i'm afraid to say. Its not just about my idea but all the ideas I've seen you post on that YOU don't like. It only needs be said simply "I don't support this idea" and if you have a good constructive reason to say why.
Now, in truth it would, yes, be a little annoying to keep receiving spam mail. Though personally i'm always in Jita and have rarely experienced this. Perhaps that s the luck and a perk of being a Nooblet Carebear :P Haha, though i'm not sure they are going to be fussy in mass player mailing. But surely there can only be so many of these guys at any one time and if you just take 2 seconds to block them as they come its not a great effort. And it doesn't just block their second mail it blocks them for good.
Though at the same point, while i see there maybe some reason to them doing this if its to look for gaining votes or what ever, i can see other methods. Not least just plain old Jet-can advertisement. And perhaps rather than sinking ISK just through paying the right to mail CCP could do this by charging ISK to put a simple message on billboards for a certain time and just put a few more billboards in clearer view of gates and even outside stations.
For now, for your own benefit just block them haha. But in all i think its perhaps unneeded to mail and a change could even provide more immersion to the game. So as surprising as it may seem i am going to support your idea. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
635
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Posted - 2012.05.30 14:09:00 -
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Koreli Stelios wrote:My answer was very well thought out. You call it ridiculous and yet its just the sort of answer you would give people when you don't like an idea. Condescending, unconstructive and quite rude really. And then you have the gall and hypocrisy to tell me that, effectively, i'm childish and need to think before i speak! You are only truly speaking to yourself there i'm afraid to say. Its not just about my idea but all the ideas I've seen you post on that YOU don't like. It only needs be said simply "I don't support this idea" and if you have a good constructive reason to say why.
Now, in truth it would, yes, be a little annoying to keep receiving spam mail. Though personally i'm always in Jita and have rarely experienced this. Perhaps that s the luck and a perk of being a Nooblet Carebear :P Haha, though i'm not sure they are going to be fussy in mass player mailing. But surely there can only be so many of these guys at any one time and if you just take 2 seconds to block them as they come its not a great effort. And it doesn't just block their second mail it blocks them for good.
Though at the same point, while i see there maybe some reason to them doing this if its to look for gaining votes or what ever, i can see other methods. Not least just plain old Jet-can advertisement. And perhaps rather than sinking ISK just through paying the right to mail CCP could do this by charging ISK to put a simple message on billboards for a certain time and just put a few more billboards in clearer view of gates and even outside stations.
For now, for your own benefit just block them haha. But in all i think its perhaps unneeded to mail and a change could even provide more immersion to the game. So as surprising as it may seem i am going to support your idea.
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Koreli Stelios
Mining Manufacture and Muling
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Posted - 2012.05.30 15:38:00 -
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If i have been contradictory or hypocritical in what ive said it was with the greatest of intention in order to make a point to you about your own behavior toward others.
But beyond that I have given you a post that is rather light hearted, tries to make helpful suggestion and over all supports your cause. |
Amun Khonsu
3-Prong Operational Resources The Fendahlian Collective
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Posted - 2012.05.30 15:46:00 -
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Ive gotten maybe 3 spam mails all year. two of them were CSM's running for office.
I dont see it as an issue tbh Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:13:00 -
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Amun Khonsu wrote:Ive gotten maybe 3 spam mails all year. two of them were CSM's running for office.
I dont see it as an issue tbh
If you take care to read my post....its a potentail threat that could get out of hand if left unchecked....its a gaping hole waiting to be exploited.
Its not a problem now...but it will be.
And at best why not route the CSPA fees to your wallet instead of a black hole.
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Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:15:00 -
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Koreli Stelios wrote:If i have been contradictory or hypocritical in what ive said it was with the greatest of intention in order to make a point to you about your own behavior toward others.
But beyond that I have given you a post that is rather light hearted, tries to make helpful suggestion and over all supports your cause.
You stomp on me saying its a bad idea due to various "nebulous" thoughts/ideas...then you support it...then you bash it...but then you relunctantly support it.
You talk like you know how it works but you very obviously do not.
So if your going to discuss...support..or don't support..then be crystal clear.
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Amun Khonsu
3-Prong Operational Resources The Fendahlian Collective
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Posted - 2012.05.30 18:33:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:Amun Khonsu wrote:Ive gotten maybe 3 spam mails all year. two of them were CSM's running for office.
I dont see it as an issue tbh If you take care to read my post....its a potentail threat that could get out of hand if left unchecked....its a gaping hole waiting to be exploited. Its not a problem now...but it will be. And at best why not route the CSPA fees to your wallet instead of a black hole. If I'm going to get crap mail... I'd rather get paid for it....then its not crap mail.
Well I'd certainly like to get to set Cspa at any amount payable to me also, but I don't think its necessary for me as I don't get many. It's not to say ppl who live elsehwere don't get more Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
641
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Posted - 2012.05.30 18:48:00 -
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Amun Khonsu wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:Amun Khonsu wrote:Ive gotten maybe 3 spam mails all year. two of them were CSM's running for office.
I dont see it as an issue tbh If you take care to read my post....its a potentail threat that could get out of hand if left unchecked....its a gaping hole waiting to be exploited. Its not a problem now...but it will be. And at best why not route the CSPA fees to your wallet instead of a black hole. If I'm going to get crap mail... I'd rather get paid for it....then its not crap mail. Well I'd certainly like to get to set Cspa at any amount payable to me also, but I don't think its necessary for me as I don't get many. It's not to say ppl who live elsehwere don't get more
Pretty much...its not a serious issue right now...but it CAN be...and its just a matter of time before a group of people get it in their heads to exploit it.
Its how some groups get CCP's attention to introduce exploitation mechancis that CCP is slow to respond...to use them.
Without getting banned of course. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Spikeflach
Echo's of Liberty Dominatus Atrum Mortis
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:28:00 -
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EveMail has existed for how long and just right now the idea of exploiting it has become new and original?
I should probably make those credit card companies that keep mailing me their junk mail pay me for every letter they send me. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
644
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Posted - 2012.05.30 21:18:00 -
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Spikeflach wrote:EveMail has existed for how long and just right now the idea of exploiting it has become new and original?
I should probably make those credit card companies that keep mailing me their junk mail pay me for every letter they send me.
Don't knock it....at one point in the USA there was a bill in Congress concerning that very policy.
It nearly made it through....until the corporations and companys that advertise lobbied for it to get shot down.
Gee I wonder why?
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Koreli Stelios
Mining Manufacture and Muling
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Posted - 2012.05.30 22:05:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:Spikeflach wrote:EveMail has existed for how long and just right now the idea of exploiting it has become new and original?
I should probably make those credit card companies that keep mailing me their junk mail pay me for every letter they send me. Don't knock it....at one point in the USA there was a bill in Congress concerning that very policy. It nearly made it through....until the corporations and companys that advertise lobbied for it to get shot down. Gee I wonder why? Getting paid for trash mail....theres a concept.
Lol the way you say that sounds like you guys missed a trick (presuming you are American and hence knowing that)
Considering the America very much coined the phrase "So sue me!" and there after went law suit crazy lol.
Well here in Britain people have made money from junk mail. You see we just stick a little sign on our door saying "No Junk Mail" and then in some cases people have won compensation where such mail was still posted.
Hmm you can do something like that in Eve but just those who post it cant ignore you... Yea, its called blocking them. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
644
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Posted - 2012.05.30 22:22:00 -
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Koreli Stelios wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:Spikeflach wrote:EveMail has existed for how long and just right now the idea of exploiting it has become new and original?
I should probably make those credit card companies that keep mailing me their junk mail pay me for every letter they send me. Don't knock it....at one point in the USA there was a bill in Congress concerning that very policy. It nearly made it through....until the corporations and companys that advertise lobbied for it to get shot down. Gee I wonder why? Getting paid for trash mail....theres a concept. Lol the way you say that sounds like you guys missed a trick (presuming you are American and hence knowing that) Considering the America very much coined the phrase "So sue me!" and there after went law suit crazy lol. Well here in Britain people have made money from junk mail. You see we just stick a little sign on our door saying "No Junk Mail" and then in some cases people have won compensation where such mail was still posted. Hmm you can do something like that in Eve but just those who post it cant ignore you... Yea, its called blocking them.
I feel sorry for my UK friends now.
Either you start to read before you post or don't bother at all...you've repeatedly missed several key points as to the reasoning and debates. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Selissa Shadoe
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Posted - 2012.06.01 15:44:00 -
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Lyris Nairn, we're looking at you .. you great spamming biatch.. lol |
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