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Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
365
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Posted - 2012.03.07 21:26:00 -
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I don't post ideas very often...rarely if that.
But this bugs the living hell out of me.
The CSPA is all good and fine....in function...but people make isk like crazy and can afford to throw tons of it to spam the #### out of you for anything and everything...I beleive you all know to which eve mail I'm referring to as a pointed example.
Fact is...this has happended very often.
Stick around any of the market hubs and you'll get spammed by some idiot who wants to push his product on you.
As if we didn't have the capability of doing our own shopping in various forms or fashion.
My point is this...if I want to be contacted...to hear from you...then I will choose whether or not to hear you on my terms...not the other way around.
My Proposal is this - Add an additional item to the CSPA...make it standings relevant.
If your not blue....you don't get to eve mail me...but instead you send a request to get added....if you don't get accepted....you don't get to send your little message.
Much like the pilot who convo's you.
A name...saying this person whishes to message you..... accept...add and accept...reject...reject and block?
Why can't we have that instead?
Isk means nothing.
And you only get to send 1 request....per 24 hours...maybe 12 hours.
Yes..the idea is a little off the cuff....if someone can come up with a better idea...be my guest.
I just want the spam to stop....adding a CSPA won't stop it...and in some cases...is more harmful.
Naturally Corp/Alliance should always get a free pass...and hence my suggestion about blues getting a exeception.
This crap about "first offense" is ok is foolish...sorry CCP....that's like saying I'm free to eve mail everyone a quircky meme with each and every new toon and never get dinged for it....ever. (Until they wake up to the fact its not a nice thing to allow)
No offense naturally...but we have local...we have forums....why is that not enough?
Discuss/troll/flame away.
PS: For the record...I have nothing agianst getting people to vote for you...my issue is forcing it down our damn throats on top of CCP pushing ads for it and the forums is crossing the line....but as I've stated...this is more eve mail system itself and not the message contained therein. ================ FloppieTheBanjoClown for CSM 7! |
Cyprus Black
Cowboy Diplomacy
156
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Posted - 2012.03.07 23:17:00 -
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We see eye to eye on a lot of things, but this we do not. This eve mail spam problem is so infrequent and CSPA charges are fine as is.
I've spent a LOT of time tooling around in major trade hubs and eve mail spam is so incredibly rare. I might receive on average about one per week and my CSPA charges are turned off. I don't know what you're doing to receive the amount of eve mail spam, but you're obviously doing it wrong.
I'm guessing you're angry that a CSM candidate(s) sent mass emails out to anyone and everyone asking for votes. Follow my EvE blog at: http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/ |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
365
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Posted - 2012.03.07 23:24:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:We see eye to eye on a lot of things, but this we do not. This eve mail spam problem is so infrequent and CSPA charges are fine as is.
I've spent a LOT of time tooling around in major trade hubs and eve mail spam is so incredibly rare. I might receive on average about one per week and my CSPA charges are turned off. I don't know what you're doing to receive the amount of eve mail spam, but you're obviously doing it wrong.
I'm guessing you're angry that a CSM candidate(s) sent mass emails out to anyone and everyone asking for votes.
Agreed cyprus...always appreicated your prespective.
I may have seriously bad luck...I receive one every time I travel to Rens or Jita these days....my wife whom also plays is getting pinged every so often as well.
It may not be a rampant issue now...but people will figure it out...and continue to abuse it now that CCP set a precedent.
It's likely rippling across several CSM cannidates mind to employ said trick since there is no punnihsment for said action...as I said...you can do it once...and once is all it takes.
I appreicate your thoughts on the matter....would be nice to get further feedback/suggestions however. ================ FloppieTheBanjoClown for CSM 7! |
Cyprus Black
Cowboy Diplomacy
156
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Posted - 2012.03.07 23:31:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote: Agreed cyprus...always appreicated your prespective.
I may have seriously bad luck...I receive one every time I travel to Rens or Jita these days....my wife whom also plays is getting pinged every so often as well.
It may not be a rampant issue now...but people will figure it out...and continue to abuse it now that CCP set a precedent.
It's likely rippling across several CSM cannidates mind to employ said trick since there is no punnihsment for said action...as I said...you can do it once...and once is all it takes.
I appreicate your thoughts on the matter....would be nice to get further feedback/suggestions however.
I don't mean to instigate a forum fight, but how much unsolicited spam mail are you getting on a daily or weekly average? And of what subject matter?
I can't imagine it's to such a high degree that it warrants a change of mail mechanics. Follow my EvE blog at: http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/ |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
366
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Posted - 2012.03.07 23:51:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:Drake Draconis wrote: Agreed cyprus...always appreicated your prespective.
I may have seriously bad luck...I receive one every time I travel to Rens or Jita these days....my wife whom also plays is getting pinged every so often as well.
It may not be a rampant issue now...but people will figure it out...and continue to abuse it now that CCP set a precedent.
It's likely rippling across several CSM cannidates mind to employ said trick since there is no punnihsment for said action...as I said...you can do it once...and once is all it takes.
I appreicate your thoughts on the matter....would be nice to get further feedback/suggestions however.
I don't mean to instigate a forum fight, but how much unsolicited spam mail are you getting on a daily or weekly average? And of what subject matter? I can't imagine it's to such a high degree that it warrants a change of mail mechanics.
Exxcluding Alliance mails? (snerk)
not often....I'm out in 0.0 land.....
The main issue is not how often I get it....its the abuse factor I see coming a mile away. ================ FloppieTheBanjoClown for CSM 7! |
Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
167
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Posted - 2012.03.08 02:38:00 -
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Fortunately there's very little incentive for EVE players to spam mail in this way with the exception of CSM candidates.
There is a neat way of dealing with mail spammers in EVE, it's called the block button. A certain CSM candidate is now on my blocked list and will never be removed from it.
Think the CSPA charge is fine for most of the mail problems you will come across, the block option will sort the rest.
Sorry Drake, I can't support this proposal. |
lilol' me
Comply Or Die Drunk 'n' Disorderly
9
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Posted - 2012.03.08 12:31:00 -
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Well there is an option to stop ppl contacting you from a direct chat perspective. There should be one also for mails. But you can of course have checkboxes that allow corp/alliance. Perhaps use the same functionality as the fleet finder filter. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
423
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Posted - 2012.03.08 13:11:00 -
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Simpler fix: Let me set ANY charge(currently maxes at 5mil iirc) and let me have the isk that is charged.
If you don't mind you contacting me, I will happily refund to 100 mil isk CSPA charge, and if it was unsolicited mail sent out to 200 names on a list, I get 100 mil for dealing with it Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
372
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Posted - 2012.03.08 15:12:00 -
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Smiling Menace wrote:Fortunately there's very little incentive for EVE players to spam mail in this way with the exception of CSM candidates.
There is a neat way of dealing with mail spammers in EVE, it's called the block button. A certain CSM candidate is now on my blocked list and will never be removed from it.
Think the CSPA charge is fine for most of the mail problems you will come across, the block option will sort the rest.
Sorry Drake, I can't support this proposal.
Aside from the obvious "well duh"
I'm talking about stopping the first initial mail SM...not the second. ================ FloppieTheBanjoClown for CSM 7! |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
919
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Posted - 2012.03.09 05:16:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Simpler fix: Let me set ANY charge(currently maxes at 5mil iirc) and let me have the isk that is charged. If you don't mind you contacting me, I will happily refund to 100 mil isk CSPA charge, and if it was unsolicited mail sent out to 200 names on a list, I get 100 mil for dealing with it
IIRC, the CSPA charge doesn't go to the char, it's an ISK sink. |
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
427
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Posted - 2012.03.09 05:33:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Simpler fix: Let me set ANY charge(currently maxes at 5mil iirc) and let me have the isk that is charged. If you don't mind you contacting me, I will happily refund to 100 mil isk CSPA charge, and if it was unsolicited mail sent out to 200 names on a list, I get 100 mil for dealing with it IIRC, the CSPA charge doesn't go to the char, it's an ISK sink.
This is currently true, hence my proposal for a simpler fix. I don't think it works that way now, I think it SHOULD work that way Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
372
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Posted - 2012.03.09 15:10:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:mxzf wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Simpler fix: Let me set ANY charge(currently maxes at 5mil iirc) and let me have the isk that is charged. If you don't mind you contacting me, I will happily refund to 100 mil isk CSPA charge, and if it was unsolicited mail sent out to 200 names on a list, I get 100 mil for dealing with it IIRC, the CSPA charge doesn't go to the char, it's an ISK sink. This is currently true, hence my proposal for a simpler fix. I don't think it works that way now, I think it SHOULD work that way
I would LOVE this if it was the case.
In-fact I dare say I'd be quite content to receive spam mail if it cost them a fortune. ================ FloppieTheBanjoClown for CSM 7! |
Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
169
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Posted - 2012.03.09 18:19:00 -
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Having seen that more than one CSM Candidate spammed people for votes, I've changed my mind and will support this now.
It will cause problems for everyone if this becomes the 'norm'.
The simple fix to have, I am guessing, an unlimited CSPA charge that goes to the person that received the mail is a good one.
Like Drake, I will quite happily deal with spam if I am paid for it. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
375
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Posted - 2012.03.09 18:59:00 -
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Smiling Menace wrote:Having seen that more than one CSM Candidate spammed people for votes, I've changed my mind and will support this now.
It will cause problems for everyone if this becomes the 'norm'.
The simple fix to have, I am guessing, an unlimited CSPA charge that goes to the person that received the mail is a good one.
Like Drake, I will quite happily deal with spam if I am paid for it.
Exactly....this isn't to do with 1 CSM cannidate...this is to do with the SYSTEM of how they allow/employ it.
If people start to abuse it....its gonna make life nasty. ================ FloppieTheBanjoClown for CSM 7! |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
375
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Posted - 2012.03.09 19:11:00 -
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Updated proposal to reflect CSPA solution/option. ================ Get PAID FOR SPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152 |
Tikktokk Tokkzikk
Glorious Revolution The 99 Percent
54
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:34:00 -
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More forced pop-ups that steals focus? NO THANKS! |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
414
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:31:00 -
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Tikktokk Tokkzikk wrote:More forced pop-ups that steals focus? NO THANKS!
This is no different than someone convo'ing you that isn't on your address book.
And getting paid for it...is not a bad thing to be quite honest. ================ Get PAID FOR SPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152 |
ceyriot
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
5
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Posted - 2012.03.25 10:52:00 -
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Looks like a relatively simple change, that does make sense. I have my eve-mail as open, as I'm usually in lowsec....I have seen those spam evemails, and they are annoying.
An option like you said, to have more settings on it would be great. Not Flyinghotpocket's alt. At all. |
DODGE CITY
We are the few. -Silicon Heaven-
5
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Posted - 2012.03.25 13:12:00 -
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DUDE set you cspa charge at 1 million. i never get spam mail unless i set the charge lower for ppl to contact me thats not in my corp/alliance. if your getting that much spam mail its your own fault plain and simple! did you try adding the spammers to block list not sure if that will work but worth a try GëíGęÜGëí |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
417
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Posted - 2012.03.26 00:41:00 -
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DODGE CITY wrote:DUDE set you cspa charge at 1 million. i never get spam mail unless i set the charge lower for ppl to contact me thats not in my corp/alliance. if your getting that much spam mail its your own fault plain and simple! did you try adding the spammers to block list not sure if that will work but worth a try
DUDE...its like so easy to get 1 million...like DUDE....your smart.
Seriously...think you could put a little more effort into your argument...DUDE?
Kinda hard to predict who will spam you and who wont...not thinking this through are you.
All I'm saying is why not set it to 100 Million and have that money go into my/your pocket eh? ================ Get PAID FOR SPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152 |
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
968
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:01:00 -
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Ho yeas me likes, but I'm sure awaxers would hate.
Please CCP do it, let me set CSP charge based on standings and let me increase from that silly Million to 10 million be it for convo or mail.
I don't have to use it, but I'd like to be able to do this. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
432
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:02:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Ho yeas me likes, but I'm sure awaxers would hate.
Please CCP do it, let me set CSP charge based on standings and let me increase from that silly Million to 10 million be it for convo or mail.
I don't have to use it, but I'd like to be able to do this.
Dont foroget....that 10 mil should go to YOUR pocket....for your troubles. ================ Get PAID FOR SPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152 |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
968
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:49:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Ho yeas me likes, but I'm sure awaxers would hate.
Please CCP do it, let me set CSP charge based on standings and let me increase from that silly Million to 10 million be it for convo or mail.
I don't have to use it, but I'd like to be able to do this. Dont foroget....that 10 mil should go to YOUR pocket....for your troubles.
Well I'd like to but if it's another way to take isk out of the game then I'd say 50/50. That would make me 5M isk better man each stupid convo or stop being convo by 14YO pubbies thinking because this char is female that I (behind the PC) I'm a girl. It's really funny how stupid guys can be at that age, jesus hopefully for me at that age I was playing with real melons instead of a mice and a screen trying to get pixels from a girl.
6Milliards right now? -well give computers and video games to all kids in the planet and population will decrease a little bit, it's maybe the better way to preserve our food stock
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Corian Teranos
Among the Shadows Ex umbra.
4
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:27:00 -
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i like the idea of getting rid of the isk system all together and changing it to a more configurable white list black list system. there are times i want to convo people to ask questions about non spam like ship fittings and i dont appreciate having to pay a fine for legitimate comm use |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
547
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:53:00 -
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Corian Teranos wrote:i like the idea of getting rid of the isk system all together and changing it to a more configurable white list black list system. there are times i want to convo people to ask questions about non spam like ship fittings and i dont appreciate having to pay a fine for legitimate comm use
Works for me. :) ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! [url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152[/url] |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
547
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:54:00 -
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Added previous suggestion to my proposal.
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
606
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:24:00 -
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CSPA working as intended. It can be set up to a million ISK, and after a while, the attritition of spending a million ISK to spam several hundred, or several thousand people eats away at someone's wallet.
For every hundred, that's a hundred million.
For every thousand, that's a billion.
Do the simple mathematics. And the setup of a complete CSPA overhaul would be an overwhelming pain in the **** that would take time away from FiS and WiS content.
Furthermore, them spamming to push their product is an ISK sink, albeit a small one, it is still an ISK sink. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
547
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Posted - 2012.05.04 19:07:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:CSPA working as intended. It can be set up to a million ISK, and after a while, the attritition of spending a million ISK to spam several hundred, or several thousand people eats away at someone's wallet.
For every hundred, that's a hundred million.
For every thousand, that's a billion.
Do the simple mathematics. And the setup of a complete CSPA overhaul would be an overwhelming pain in the **** that would take time away from FiS and WiS content.
Furthermore, them spamming to push their product is an ISK sink, albeit a small one, it is still an ISK sink.
Yes...and as I was pointing out....make the isk go to YOUR wallet since your the one putting up with the #### altogether instead of some magic black hole. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
606
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Posted - 2012.05.04 23:33:00 -
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That would defeat the purpose of it being an ISK sink. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
549
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Posted - 2012.05.05 00:13:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:That would defeat the purpose of it being an ISK sink.
Think about it differently.
If someone decides to spam you to no end....they know the ISK is going to your pocket...which benefits you..and gives you ammo to shame them.
If it goes to a black hole...they likely don't give a crap and have nothing to show for it.
Its psychological mental warfare....I don't care if you spam me if I make money off of you.
But right now...CSPA means nothing to most people who have the ISK to burn without question.
Might as well make it a benefit....in otherwords...get paid for spam.
Of course its already been suggested a whitelist/blacklist idea works as well. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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