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Kuzya Morozov The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.27 03:18:00 - [31] Originally by: Shakari Sween Hes comeing from the same place as you, but taking it to the extream. To try and point out why it will never happen. At least he gets it? Haha, keep taking this so seriously, I love it.
Sidewayzracer Murder Training Facilites	Posted - 2008.05.27 03:22:00 - [32] Originally by: Senghir Originally by: Sidewayzracer So you want to increase the SP of new players more so and not just for factional warfare? If thats the case sure why not give em a extra 100K worth of learning skills would be a big plus tbh. But you want only if they sign up for FW and then quitting it to just get the higher SP character. I only give my stuff away to people that would make good use of it Well sure, people could quit and have a higher skil point character. But they cant train it in conjunction with their main. And if they really wanted those few extra points so bad, they are already available for sale legitimately from the character sellers here. So essentially, what you dont want to happen is already possible. First off too buy a new characater you need the isk gotten either through in-game means or GTC sales. My issue is with brand new still on trial characters why not just make it a blanket SP buff instead of just for factional warfare.
Senghir Deep Space Security	Posted - 2008.05.27 03:24:00 - [33] Originally by: Kuzya Morozov At least he gets it? Haha, keep taking this so seriously, I love it. Please cease your flame posts. It's tiresome. This is also the second time I've hit 'report'. Carebear ûnoun 1. An EVE pilot who has evolved further than a dog chasing its tail.
Senghir Deep Space Security	Posted - 2008.05.27 03:28:00 - [34] Edited by: Senghir on 27/05/2008 03:29:00 Originally by: Sidewayzracer First off too buy a new characater you need the isk gotten either through in-game means or GTC sales. My issue is with brand new still on trial characters why not just make it a blanket SP buff instead of just for factional warfare. As you can buy a time card for cash, then sell that for currency and then use that for character purchase; lots of people do this. I take your point on the trial accounts though. I think it would be reasonable to not allow trial accounts to do this. Most trial accounts will either be ISK sellers or genuinely new players who would not benefit from joining faction warfare immediately anyway. Those that really did could commit and make the account permanent, at which point they could gain the character slot. That is one possible solution. edit: misread something and had to rephrase Carebear* ûnoun 1. An EVE pilot who has evolved further than a dog chasing its tail.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.05.27 03:30:00 - [35] FW is not "the game". FW is a device to ATTRACT people to PvP. It's a stepping-stone between disorganized highsec dwellers and highly organized 0.0 alliance members. To join an alliance (a corp in one alliance), you have a lot of obstacles to surpass. To join the militia ? A negligible standing and a click, then a 24h wait, and that's IT. If you don't want to risk your character in PvP... don't. You will NEVER get an "extra" character (much less a decently trained one) just for FW. Deal with it. It's never going to happen. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5
Tiirae The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.05.27 03:39:00 - [36] Originally by: Kuzya Morozov Originally by: Shakari Sween Hes comeing from the same place as you, but taking it to the extream. To try and point out why it will never happen. At least he gets it? Haha, keep taking this so seriously, I love it. You are an idiot. Your first post was a classic straw-man or reductio ad absurdum argument and contributes nothing to the thread. 'Taking it to the extreme' (What is this, the 80's?) is seldom a good way of pointing out flaws.
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.05.27 04:15:00 - [37] No, this is dumb, but I do think now would be a great time for CCP to re-introduce the offer they had going last winter where you could get a second account for cheap. ---------------- [insert signature here]
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.05.27 04:17:00 - [38] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker No, this is dumb, but I do think now would be a great time for CCP to re-introduce the offer they had going last winter where you could get a second account for cheap. That's not what the OP is talking about at all. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.05.27 04:23:00 - [39] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Joe Starbreaker No, this is dumb, but I do think now would be a great time for CCP to re-introduce the offer they had going last winter where you could get a second account for cheap. That's not what the OP is talking about at all. I know. I don't think the OP's idea is any good. But I do think a lot of people will want to buy second accounts in the near future. ---------------- [insert signature here]
Roland San	Posted - 2008.05.27 04:51:00 - [40] This is just something to think about for a bit: How about instead of a newly created character for FW, there is an option for a militia jump clone, one that does not have a 24 hour timer, but something more reasonable, like 1 hour. In the militia jump clone, you're committed to FW and can engage and be engaged by factional opponents. Maybe, with the militia jump clone, there would be no requirement for a medical clone, although anything tangible like implants would have to pop. Some thought would have to go to aggression rules so as not to have characters bailing out and jumping back to the regular clones when it all hits the fan...
Senghir Deep Space Security	Posted - 2008.05.27 11:49:00 - [41] Edited by: Senghir on 27/05/2008 11:49:14 Originally by: Joe Starbreaker No, this is dumb, but I do think now would be a great time for CCP to re-introduce the offer they had going last winter where you could get a second account for cheap. No, this isnt dumb. This is a great idea to get people into faction warfare. The only people who are worried about this so far are people who are jealous because people might get some etxra skill points than a regular starting character. We're not even talking a lot. I dont think anyone is seriously worried about 100k skill points, but I do think that there are some that like to complain no matter what and like to scream and shout about nothing. As it stands, there are numerous threads on why a lot of people dont want to do faction warfare. A lot of those reasons are along the lines of the fact that they'd like to, but feel they cant because of whatever reason tying into their main. My suggestion allows for people who are having second thoughts to give it a go with something simple. Don't give me bullsit about how it would be unfair because all of a sudden there would be people creating the alts and then quitting FW just for skill points. This is ridiculous. My post has had over 700 views and yet only a handful of replies, and most of those are mine! It's absurd to think that out of all those 700+ (of which this issue of FW will affect everyone given we all have to either do it or not) that nobody* else agrees with the concept. The reason no-one else is coming forward is because they are too intimidated by the usual flaming morons I've had in this thread. Carebear ûnoun 1. An EVE pilot who has evolved further than a dog chasing its tail.
Grarr Dexx Naval Protection Corp Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.05.27 11:54:00 - [42] Howmuch times do you folks want to hear it? EvE offers NO instant gratification, please stop begging and whining.
Senghir Deep Space Security	Posted - 2008.05.27 11:56:00 - [43] Originally by: Tiirae Originally by: Kuzya Morozov Originally by: Shakari Sween Hes comeing from the same place as you, but taking it to the extream. To try and point out why it will never happen. At least he gets it? Haha, keep taking this so seriously, I love it. You are an idiot. Your first post was a classic straw-man or reductio ad absurdum argument and contributes nothing to the thread. 'Taking it to the extreme' (What is this, the 80's?) is seldom a good way of pointing out flaws. Thankyou so much. It means a lot when someone besides the OP can give the flamers a good smacking down. Gives those who are easily intimidated more encouragement to post. Carebear ûnoun 1. An EVE pilot who has evolved further than a dog chasing its tail.
copasetic sideways	Posted - 2008.05.27 11:59:00 - [44] wow... ******** crap... mebbe this could be implemented for all the various content? coming soon - from the ideas factory of senghir: the invention starter char! the mining starter char! the exploration starter char! the mission-scanning-ninja-looting starter char! pffft.
Senghir Deep Space Security	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:02:00 - [45] Edited by: Senghir on 27/05/2008 12:03:52 Originally by: copasetic sideways wow... ****** crap... mebbe this could be implemented for all the various content? coming soon - from the ideas factory of senghir: the invention starter char! the mining starter char! the exploration starter char! the mission-scanning-ninja-looting starter char! pffft. You mean like the paths you can already pick when you start a new character these days? You can pick mining you know, and you get to start with Mining V, oh and Refining V amongst others. You want me to hand you your hat so you can eat it? Carebear** ûnoun 1. An EVE pilot who has evolved further than a dog chasing its tail.
Estel Arador AFK	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:03:00 - [46] You do realise you can create a character which can use T2 small guns within half an hour after starting? And that you can join a corp which is in the militia even if you don't have any standings? I see no reason why your elaborate scheme is necessary... Estel Arador corp services (high-sec POS/Jumpclones)
copasetic sideways	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:07:00 - [47] Originally by: Senghir You mean like the paths you can already pick when you start a new character these days? You can pick mining you know, and you get to start with Mining V, oh and Refining V amongst others. You want me to hand you your hat so you can eat it? gosh - look how dumb you are. i assumed you'd just get the point without me having to spell it out with crayons.... there's plenty of content you can't access at start up - so what makes fw so special? moreover, what makes you so special? [hint: it's not because your mum thinks you're cool]
Senghir Deep Space Security	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:08:00 - [48] Originally by: Estel Arador You do realise you can create a character which can use T2 small guns within half an hour after starting? And that you can join a corp which is in the militia even if you don't have any standings? I see no reason why your elaborate scheme is necessary... Yeah, this is definitely an option. The characters do start with some nice skills, as far as I was aware though, the combat ones are really geared for missions (could be wrong). It would be nice to have some sort of starting character that can start out being able to use webbers, nos, some basica armour tank etc. All the kind of skills you need for PVP. I havent looked at the exact skillpoints needed, but actually it could just be the same points as any other character starts with, just distributed differently. So I may not be asking for more sill points at all, just a different path to pick when you start. That's not too bad actually or unreasonable. Since FW and other PVP is already such a large part of the game, perhaps players could benefit from being able to start as having a PVP focus. Carebear ûnoun 1. An EVE pilot who has evolved further than a dog chasing its tail.
Estel Arador AFK	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:10:00 - [49] Originally by: Senghir Yeah, this is definitely an option. The characters do start with some nice skills, as far as I was aware though, the combat ones are really geared for missions (could be wrong). It would be nice to have some sort of starting character that can start out being able to use webbers, nos, some basica armour tank etc. All the kind of skills you need for PVP. I havent looked at the exact skillpoints needed, but actually it could just be the same points as any other character starts with, just distributed differently. So you don't know what's available now but do want something else?!? At character creation the 'soldier' option gives you pretty good weapon skills and the 'special ops' option gives you the pretty good support skills you want. Estel Arador corp services (high-sec POS/Jumpclones)
Cybelee Gods Unwanted	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:13:00 - [50] I keep seeing people worrying that they have to leave there corp to join FW if the corp does not want to partake. I believe you can sign up as a individual to FW without having to leave the corp, is this not the case ? Also i would like to know about standings. If someone is in a corp lets say in caldari space with a POS if a Gallente member went to fight for Gallente against the Caldari when he returnd from his individual sign up to fw and went back into corp events would his standing effect the corps standing to Caldari ? I suppose the above question also asks does the bad standing the pilot gained against caldari in FW stay with them even when they are not active in FW ? My Eve Site: Eve Online Fan
Estel Arador AFK	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:15:00 - [51] Originally by: Cybelee I believe you can sign up as a individual to FW without having to leave the corp, is this not the case ? If you join as an individual, you have to leave your corp and the militia is effectively a NPC corp. If your corporation joins, the militia is effectively an alliance. Originally by: Cybelee Also i would like to know about standings. If someone is in a corp lets say in caldari space with a POS if a Gallente member went to fight for Gallente against the Caldari when he returnd from his individual sign up to fw and went back into corp events would his standing effect the corps standing to Caldari ? Corp standing is the average of all non-zero standings of individual members, so yes. Except the member won't be able to be in the militia and the corp at the same time. Originally by: Cybelee I suppose the above question also asks does the bad standing the pilot gained against caldari in FW stay with them even when they are not active in FW ? Definately. Estel Arador corp services (high-sec POS/Jumpclones)
Senghir Deep Space Security	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:16:00 - [52] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Senghir Yeah, this is definitely an option. The characters do start with some nice skills, as far as I was aware though, the combat ones are really geared for missions (could be wrong). It would be nice to have some sort of starting character that can start out being able to use webbers, nos, some basica armour tank etc. All the kind of skills you need for PVP. I havent looked at the exact skillpoints needed, but actually it could just be the same points as any other character starts with, just distributed differently. So you don't know what's available now but do want something else?!? At character creation the 'soldier' option gives you pretty good weapon skills and the 'special ops' option gives you the pretty good support skills you want. I do know what's available. What I dont know is exactly how many skill points they all offer. Neither does anyone else without looking it up and doing some calculations. What they need is perhaps a bit more focus for the FW side of things. If CCP come to this forum and state that they think the new character options already offer what I'm asking, then I'll gladly accept this. In the mean time, I just want them to read it, make a mental note of it and flag it up as an item for discussion at some future meeting on FW. I'm not really too fussed about the specifics of my idea, it's hte principle that matters. How you get there isn't really my point. Carebear ûnoun 1. An EVE pilot who has evolved further than a dog chasing its tail.
Cybelee Gods Unwanted	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:24:00 - [53] So if a corp was to leave FW with very bad standings against lets say Gallente, would they still be allowed in the Gal space. Silly question i know because im sure this is already the case. My Eve Site: Eve Online Fan
Estel Arador AFK	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:24:00 - [54] Originally by: Senghir I do know what's available. What I dont know is exactly how many skill points they all offer. Neither does anyone else without looking it up and doing some calculations. 800,000 to 820,000. All of possible combinations. Originally by: Senghir What they need is perhaps a bit more focus for the FW side of things. If CCP come to this forum and state that they think the new character options already offer what I'm asking, then I'll gladly accept this. I just told you. You can either go for plenty of damage with some support skills or for plenty support skills with some damage, both will serve you well in FW. Why should CCP waste their time on telling you what can be done if others can tell you that or gasp you can try it out? Estel Arador corp services (high-sec POS/Jumpclones)
Senghir Deep Space Security	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:27:00 - [55] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Senghir I do know what's available. What I dont know is exactly how many skill points they all offer. Neither does anyone else without looking it up and doing some calculations. 800,000 to 820,000. All of possible combinations. Originally by: Senghir What they need is perhaps a bit more focus for the FW side of things. If CCP come to this forum and state that they think the new character options already offer what I'm asking, then I'll gladly accept this. I just told you. You can either go for plenty of damage with some support skills or for plenty support skills with some damage, both will serve you well in FW. Why should CCP waste their time on telling you what can be done if others can tell you that or gasp you can try it out? I already gave it a try out, hence reason for posting. I'm going to give it another try though to make sure I didnt miss anything. Carebear ûnoun 1. An EVE pilot who has evolved further than a dog chasing its tail.
Estel Arador AFK	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:28:00 - [56] Originally by: Cybelee So if a corp was to leave FW with very bad standings against lets say Gallente, would they still be allowed in the Gal space. Silly question i know because im sure this is already the case. If the corp is not in the militia the corp will be fine. However any members with -5 or lower (which there will be if the corp has very bad standings) will still get shot at by the enemy faction navy (not by the enemy militia members). Estel Arador corp services (high-sec POS/Jumpclones)
Cybelee Gods Unwanted	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:39:00 - [57] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Cybelee So if a corp was to leave FW with very bad standings against lets say Gallente, would they still be allowed in the Gal space. Silly question i know because im sure this is already the case. If the corp is not in the militia the corp will be fine. However any members with -5 or lower (which there will be if the corp has very bad standings) will still get shot at by the enemy faction navy (not by the enemy militia members). So basically if you use your main in FW your are possibly cutting down the amount of eve systems you will be able to use whn leaving FW ? If so thats a bit harsh, but understandable. My Eve Site: Eve Online Fan
Estel Arador AFK	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:41:00 - [58] Originally by: Cybelee So basically if you use your main in FW your are possibly cutting down the amount of eve systems you will be able to use whn leaving FW ? If so thats a bit harsh, but understandable. I've not engaged in FW yet (obviously), but already I'm not very welcome in Amarr space . Currently that's not a big deal, but once the faction navy gets buffed (with FW) I'll effectively be barred from their space even if I'm not in a militia. (That doesn't mean I'm not gonna try though ) Estel Arador corp services (high-sec POS/Jumpclones)
Cybelee Gods Unwanted	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:44:00 - [59] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Cybelee So basically if you use your main in FW your are possibly cutting down the amount of eve systems you will be able to use whn leaving FW ? If so thats a bit harsh, but understandable. I've not engaged in FW yet (obviously), but already I'm not very welcome in Amarr space . Currently that's not a big deal, but once the faction navy gets buffed (with FW) I'll effectively be barred from their space even if I'm not in a militia. (That doesn't mean I'm not gonna try though ) TBH im ok with the standings as CALDARI rule the Univers :p Seriously though, thanks for the replies :) My Eve Site: Eve Online Fan
Arana Tellen The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:52:00 - [60] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Cybelee So basically if you use your main in FW your are possibly cutting down the amount of eve systems you will be able to use whn leaving FW ? If so thats a bit harsh, but understandable. I've not engaged in FW yet (obviously), but already I'm not very welcome in Amarr space . Currently that's not a big deal, but once the faction navy gets buffed (with FW) I'll effectively be barred from their space even if I'm not in a militia. (That doesn't mean I'm not gonna try though ) The navy is now an anti gank measure, they do not scram but they web and deal lots of damage so its possible to at least pass through. --------------------------------- Oh noes! Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal

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