Or Issler is just a **** candidate.



Do you really think CCP would take a CSM advocating more WiS seriously?

heh

Seleene = industry + nullsec leaning
Trebor = industry + hisec leaning
Issler = industry + space barbies

Seleene or Trebor, pick one.

Look Issler, Its great that you want to promote industry in Eve. But you've spent the entire campaign period failing to deal with trolls effectively and trying to promote the same old tired "Hi Sec above All Else" agenda you've been pushing for years.

That's why you're not on my list of people to vote for and why I'm voting for Seleene.

However the amount of time and effort you've put into your position in space barbies is a large percentage of what most people seem to have read about you. Perhaps you can express some views on other things ? or at least put some links to where you have?

(And yes we know, we know, "mining" - we get it).

Seleene = industry + nullsec leaning
Trebor = industry + hisec leaning
Issler = industry + space barbies

Seleene or Trebor, pick one.

I was at one point inclined to vote for Riverini only because of his anti botting stance.

Not to mention an anti-botting stance is a pretty worthless one to have, what with CCP having a team dedicated to actually catching and banning botters again.

If anything, you should look at someone who has anti-botting as a main platform rather suspect, since it's likely covering for the lack of an actual useful platform. It's very intentional, as nobody will argue with you that botting isn't an important issue, so it makes you look like you truly do care about the welfare of the game and want to help and all of that good stuff, but with the reality of CCP (a) knowing about it and (b) finally acting on it, it's the definition of unnecessary.

Well to be honest the botters were only caught half way through the last campain week, I think considering the lack of time between that and the voting - people could be forgiven for including it on their ticket

Also, the cynics among us (yes me) will remind you that CCP has done this a couple times before just as CSM was being voted on - any good marketing person could tell you why

Basically the jury is still out for me as far as if CCP is DOING something about botters. The fact that they have DONE something doesn't necessarily mean they are DOING something about it ;

If there's a similar ban next month I will ecstatically eat my words ;)

As an industrialist, I don't need a candidate screaming for more ways to mine faster. I don't need a bigger, better mining barge. I don't want mining to be PI with a new skin. I don't want "legalized" mining bots. I also don't need someone telling CCP to focus on high-sec in general. What I need is for EVE to be fixed across the board. A balanced CSM, representatives with expertise in each area that come together to get stuff fixed. Most proposals for "fixing" industry and mining in general I've seen seem to make it safer, more passive and even easier for botters. I'm inclined to believe these proposals are put forth by the botters themselves.

So, having said all that, Seleene and The Mittani don't need my votes as they are shoe-ins. My votes went to Hans because, in my opinion, he is the most logical choice and his platform speaks for itself. All those industrialists/miners voting with their emotions because they got ganked, fail to see the bigger picture. While ganks will always be a part of EVE, they would be far less prevalent if not for the sheer boredom most PvP'ers are faced with right now. While these same people are screaming for more safety, they fail to realize that the same protection is enjoyed by that mining bot in your system as well as his pals, #2 - #20.

Ganking, while not a pleasant experience to be on the receiving end of I admit, doesn't make my blood boil nearly as much as seeing someone whine in local that such a mechanic exists while afk'ing in a belt for hours on end. They just sit there, idle, not even mining and chances are, they won't even get ganked for being a moron.

So, having said all that, Seleene and The Mittani don't need my votes as they are shoe-ins. My votes went to Hans because, in my opinion, he is the most logical choice and his platform speaks for itself.

Whilst Hans seems a decent choice, Seleene is not nearly as much a sure thing as you seem to think he is. His high voting turn out in CSM6 was largely down to the Southern bloc vote, who now regard him as a traitor for leaving to join PL. And since PL are putting their votes behind Elise, Seleene no longer has a base and is competing with a huge range of candidates for the votes of the unaligned randoms of Empire, many of whom are likely to be turned off by his membership of a 0.0 powerbloc.

Don't be too surprised if Seleene ends up as an alt or misses out altogether.

CCP has changed at least a half dozen parts of the game since inception which have indirectly effected mining alone. I'm sure they have also had impacts on market, trade and production. Whether it be PI effecting POS fuel prices for t2 production, small mining corps or if it has been the advent of drone regions or wormholes with ABC ores in them. All these things have effected the production cycle somewhere - it needs a good looking into by people who know how best to change the mechanics to fix these careers.

I'd vote for Issler: CSM experience, a balanced agenda, and no apparent fingers in the nullsec pie, leaving the nullsec obsessed members of the CSM to sort out their stuff without interference, bringing a better balance overall.

I'd vote for Issler: CSM experience, a balanced agenda, and no apparent fingers in the nullsec pie, leaving the nullsec obsessed members of the CSM to sort out their stuff without interference, bringing a better balance overall.

'Balanced agenda' is pretty much a euphemism for 'no opinions about anything'.

And prior experience of the 'achieve nothing except adding items to backlog' CSMs isn't exactly something to shout about either.

Love to know what pie exactly you mean. There seems to be this perception that people in nullsec are only doing things that are entirely in their own interests. This really isn't the case. Even mittani - whom I have made no real effort to like at all - acceeds to the view that tech moons should go, etc..

Unlike the perception that seems to be around that these people haven't done the right thing by the eve playerbase in the past - in their view - is dead wrong. The real issue as far as I can see is the fact that they haven't really tried to include all the eve players in their decisions and are just plain wrong about some things - like low-sec.

But in either case - there is no pie, nor fingers in it.

Much as I like Issler's "simplistic" view of "I am for mining" and while it attracts many to her cause, I don't see it as a valid overall platform for CSM. It's no different from the mittani saying "I am for goonish activity" and gaining votes through that simplistic platform. It's a cheap way to gain votes from people who don't wish to put the time or effort into understanding the candidates and their platforms. It's also one of the reasons I created this thread.

p.s. The cake was also a lie.
p.p.s. And there were fingers in that too apparently.

The difference is the areas that Mittens focuses on have gotten CCP attention.

Mining, which has to be the activity of the largest Eve player base has been virtually ignored, or even in terms of ore distribution nerfed over the last eight years.

And to say mining is ALL I will be for in the CSM 7 is inaccurate. I understand you have to look at Eve holistically. I will however be more representative of the average high sec dweller than any of the other current CSM candidates.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate

explain your wis taint

I believe Issler has explained this many, many times.

Wis really needs a slogan.

Walking in Stations.
If Done Right, Would Really Add a Whole New Dimension To EVE.

Which is it? I'm an Alt or in someone's pocket?

I've been following the CSM elections quite closely this year and found many capable candidates.

To be honest the tone of your post is just one facet of why I wouldn't put you forward as a candidate that people could rely upon.

Perhaps if you took more time to engender yourself with your remarks and tackle real issues with real solutions that might change.

Take the time to re-read your remak above objectively. It sounds like some teenage guy about to have a forum-tantrum.

Not the CSM candidate I am after - Not to argue of course!

Doesn't sound like someone having a forum-tantrum to me, she is only speaking the truth - it is the gametype she plays on a daily basis. :|

You're not even on topic. What gameplay? She was reminding me of WHO SHE IS.

And of course the obvious logic tells me that if you have to remind people who you are then it probably doesn't matter too much to them regarding who you are.

Not to argue of course.

I find I rarely have to remind folks who I am. What I do find is somehow I've become the target of a handful of folks, usually goons that like to repeat the same nonsensical statements about what I've done, not done, stand for, stand against and take every opportunity to include the word "pants" and "barbies" in all their posts. In most cases if the forums were actually moderated to comply with the posting rules, their posts wouldn't be in the forums for long as they are always content free.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate